Do minds exist?

[untermensche]

That's two distinct questions.

Does time exist? What is time?

Minds exist, we are using them to post our little sentences here.

What they are is most likely a product of brains, which isn't saying much but isn't saying nothing.

you don't know what a mind is but subscribe biological processes to it.
cute.

Again, two completely distinct questions.

It is not necessary to know what gravity is to know it exists.

It is not necessary to know what a mind is to know it exists.

There is no linkage.

 

[none]

you don't know what a mind is but subscribe biological processes to it.
cute.

Again, two completely distinct questions.

It is not necessary to know what gravity is to know it exists.

It is not necessary to know what a mind is to know it exists.

There is no linkage.

so now you know what you don't know?
I don't know what you know, I can't tell if you know what you don't know. could you tell me what you don't know?
gravity isn't the topic.

 

[George S]

That's two distinct questions.

Does time exist? What is time?

Minds exist, we are using them to post our little sentences here.

What they are is most likely a product of brains, which isn't saying much but isn't saying nothing.

you don't know what a mind is but subscribe biological processes to it.
cute.

And you know of minds without brains? Do tell.

 

[none]

you don't know what a mind is but subscribe biological processes to it.
cute.

And you know of minds without brains? Do tell.

I don't know what a mind is, can't help you
same goes with minds

 

[untermensche]

Again, two completely distinct questions.

It is not necessary to know what gravity is to know it exists.

It is not necessary to know what a mind is to know it exists.

There is no linkage.

so now you know what you don't know?
I don't know what you know, I can't tell if you know what you don't know. could you tell me what you don't know?
gravity isn't the topic.

Again, two totally distinct questions, no matter how much you want to conflate them.

I know both what I know from direct experience and what I don't know that requires study.

And gravity is an analogy.

You know it is there because of observable effects.

The same with minds.

 

[none]

so now you know what you don't know?
I don't know what you know, I can't tell if you know what you don't know. could you tell me what you don't know?
gravity isn't the topic.

Again, two totally distinct questions, no matter how much you want to conflate them.

I know both what I know from direct experience and what I don't know that requires study.

And gravity is an analogy.

You know it is there because of observable effects.

The same with minds.

I don't know it is there, I know there are brains and biological processes that organisms perform.
you say there is a mind there right? so prove it. what necessitates a mind or minds or the mind?
what is the mind, a mind, and minds?

 

[untermensche]

Again, two totally distinct questions, no matter how much you want to conflate them.

I know both what I know from direct experience and what I don't know that requires study.

And gravity is an analogy.

You know it is there because of observable effects.

The same with minds.

I don't know it is there, I know there are brains and biological processes that organisms perform.
you say there is a mind there right? so prove it. what necessitates a mind or minds or the mind?
what is the mind, a mind, and minds?

I can read the products of your mind.

It combines your experience, your language, your hopes and fears.

This synthesized unity that expresses opinion is a mind. There is no way to deny it. To deny it is just to express another opinion and give evidence of a mind.

 

[none]

I don't know it is there, I know there are brains and biological processes that organisms perform.
you say there is a mind there right? so prove it. what necessitates a mind or minds or the mind?
what is the mind, a mind, and minds?

I can read the products of your mind.
It combines your experience, your language, your hopes and fears.
This synthesized unity that expresses opinion is a mind. There is no way to deny it. To deny it is just to express another opinion and give evidence of a mind.

without knowing what a mind is you now know the products of my mind as if my mind exists?
but if it doesn't exist then it doesn't combine my experiences, my language, and my hopes and fears like my brain does, what makes you think it exists?
can't you see that opinion is the result of biological processes rooted in the brain?

 

[untermensche]

I can read the products of your mind.
It combines your experience, your language, your hopes and fears.
This synthesized unity that expresses opinion is a mind. There is no way to deny it. To deny it is just to express another opinion and give evidence of a mind.

without knowing what a mind is you now know the products of my mind as if my mind exists?

Without knowing what gravity is you know the effects of gravity as if it exists.

 

[none]

without knowing what a mind is you now know the products of my mind as if my mind exists?

Without knowing what gravity is you know the effects of gravity as if it exists.

conflating the issue.
if you don't know what a mind is that is fine
gravity, curvature of spacetime
now what is the mind, a mind, and minds?
seriously I'll forgo the obvious fact you haven't an idea of what you are talking about and ask : does it take a mind to communicate what about information processing?

 

[untermensche]

Without knowing what gravity is you know the effects of gravity as if it exists.

conflating the issue.
if you don't know what a mind is that is fine
gravity, curvature of spacetime
now what is the mind, a mind, and minds?
seriously I'll forgo the obvious fact you haven't an idea of what you are talking about and ask : does it take a mind to communicate what about information processing?

So gravity didn't exist until it was described as a curvature of something unexplained?

 

[none]

conflating the issue.
if you don't know what a mind is that is fine
gravity, curvature of spacetime
now what is the mind, a mind, and minds?
seriously I'll forgo the obvious fact you haven't an idea of what you are talking about and ask : does it take a mind to communicate what about information processing?

So gravity didn't exist until it was described as a curvature of something unexplained?

asking you to define a mind has led to you talking about gravity, retarded.

 

[untermensche]

So gravity didn't exist until it was described as a curvature of something unexplained?

asking you to define a mind has led to you talking about gravity, retarded.

Your mind is a bit narrow to drive ideas through.

Basically your argument consists of: We can claim that things apparent do not exist as long as we can't explain them.

It is nonsense.

 

[fromderinside]

Mind is directly perceived. It is the only thing that can be known for certain. Which is not at all saying it is all there is.

You need to read the discussion around the work of  William Wundt and  Introspection in the mid to late 1800s when it became apparent that introspection just isn't reliable perceiving.

 

[untermensche]

Mind is directly perceived. It is the only thing that can be known for certain. Which is not at all saying it is all there is.

You need to read the discussion around the work of  William Wundt and  Introspection in the mid to late 1800s when it became apparent that introspection just isn't reliable perceiving.

It doesn't matter.

Even if every thought is a deception there is still the awareness of them.

That there is awareness can't be questioned.

 

[none]

asking you to define a mind has led to you talking about gravity, retarded.

Your mind is a bit narrow to drive ideas through.

Basically your argument consists of: We can claim that things apparent do not exist as long as we can't explain them.

It is nonsense.

no I am asking you to define a mind, minds, and the mind.
if anything, I said thinking is a behavior that the brain does.
so what is a mind, minds, and the mind?

 

[untermensche]

Your mind is a bit narrow to drive ideas through.

Basically your argument consists of: We can claim that things apparent do not exist as long as we can't explain them.

It is nonsense.

no I am asking you to define a mind, minds, and the mind.
if anything, I said thinking is a behavior that the brain does.
so what is a mind, minds, and the mind?

Defining mind has nothing to do with determining if they exist.

You have no argument showing they don't.

To even make an argument shows one has a mind.

Like a ball falling to the ground shows there is gravity.

 

[none]

no I am asking you to define a mind, minds, and the mind.
if anything, I said thinking is a behavior that the brain does.
so what is a mind, minds, and the mind?

Defining mind has nothing to do with determining if they exist.

You have no argument showing they don't.

To even make an argument shows one has a mind.

Like a ball falling to the ground shows there is gravity.

you don't think thinking is a behavior that is performed by the brain and that communication is not a biological function performed by organisms. You could win a nobel prize with that idea.
you don't know what a mind is, but supply no answers that necessitate a mind.
I can't prove their aren't mythical monkeys flying out of your ass either.
you think with your brain now use it: What necessitates a mind and what is a mind?
you got no answers so far only want to talk about something else you think might not be real "gravity".
so far you have nothing but a claim, a fantastical claim

 

[fromderinside]

Like a ball falling to the ground shows there is gravity.

Oh come on. Do you have experiments relating to how gravity interacts with stuff like atmosphere with the falling ball? If the ball were replaced with a feather things would look quite different. Certainly you have something other than argument to demonstrate mind. No? All you have is self testimony.

No explanation for why the brain changes opportunistically with conditions in the evolution mosh pit yet there is this organizing thing mind that remains through it all. You have a serious problem. Unless mind fits with other theory relating to it it isn't much of a theory is it. Its like "Mine" just doesn't cut it when you aren't the biggest bully in the neighborhood. Complete the puzzle.

 

[untermensche]

Like a ball falling to the ground shows there is gravity.

Oh come on. Do you have experiments relating to how gravity interacts with stuff like atmosphere with the falling ball? If the ball were replaced with a feather things would look quite different. Certainly you have something other than argument to demonstrate mind. No? All you have is self testimony.

As I said, to make an argument demonstrates a mind, but this was to show that we don't need to explain something to know it exists. All we need is evidence of existence.

No explanation for why the brain changes opportunistically with conditions in the evolution mosh pit yet there is this organizing thing mind that remains through it all.

The brain changes and vision remains through it all. The fish sees and so does the human.

Unless mind fits with other theory relating to it it isn't much of a theory is it.

Mind is experienced directly. The existence is not in question and no theory is needed to say it exists.

Its like "Mine" just doesn't cut it when you aren't the biggest bully in the neighborhood.

Obviously some minds are not like mine. They doubt what is most apparent.

What is the itch that makes them scratch and claw and claim there is no mind? It seems they have some purpose.

But it is a purpose only a mind could give them.