Do you need an abortion? Did you bring a note?

[Bullmoose Too]

What the fuck is legitimate rape?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

What the fuck is legitimate rape?

One caught on tape where the woman is a virgin, preferably a nun, and the rapist is Mr. Hyde, and makes a full confession.

 

[Davka]

What the fuck is legitimate rape?

One caught on tape where the woman is a virgin, preferably a nun, and the rapist is Mr. Hyde, and makes a full confession.

I thought the rapist had to be black, and the victim white (and virginal, natch).

 

[AthenaAwakened]

One caught on tape where the woman is a virgin, preferably a nun, and the rapist is Mr. Hyde, and makes a full confession.

I thought the rapist had to be black, and the victim white (and virginal, natch).

Well, Hyde is described as darker than Jekyll...

 

[Derec]

One caught on tape where the woman is a virgin, preferably a nun, and the rapist is Mr. Hyde, and makes a full confession.

As opposed to the feminist definition of "anything a woman decides to call rape" even if consensual at the time, especially if the woman had any alcohol at all at any time before the sex.

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I thought the rapist had to be black, and the victim white (and virginal, natch).

Actually the opposite is the case. Remember during Duke Lacrosse how the race warriors and feminists were sure that the "privileged white men" just had to have raped the "poor black woman" because that fit so neatly into both their anti-male and anti-white ideologies.

 

[ksen]

those bastards

 

[Derec]

What the fuck is legitimate rape?

Also called "rape rape" (Whoopi Goldberg) to distinguish it from things not really rape but referred to as such due to ever broadened definition of rape. I.e. it excludes things like an 18 year old having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend (so called "statutory rape") or things defined as "rape" on college campuses like a woman having sex after consuming any alcohol or a woman having sex without giving so-called "affirmative consent" a sufficient number or times or simply a woman having sex and then regretting it the next morning or year or a woman dragging a mattress everywhere she goes.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

As opposed to the feminist definition of "anything a woman decides to call rape" even if consensual at the time, especially if the woman had any alcohol at all at any time before the sex.

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I thought the rapist had to be black, and the victim white (and virginal, natch).

Actually the opposite is the case. Remember during Duke Lacrosse how the race warriors and feminists were sure that the "privileged white men" just had to have raped the "poor black woman" because that fit so neatly into both their ideologies.

Thousands of women have been raped since the Duke Lacross case. None of which matter to you because "Remember back in 2006..."

The Duke Lacross case say much more about the people who cling to a belief that it proves women are not to be trusted when reporting rape, than is does about rape or even the people involved in the case.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Who cares a butt about rape. Pregnancy and birth is a bloody (literally) arduous process that lasts about 9 months and can have permanent physical consequences from either the pregnancy or birth (and I'm not talking about the health of the woman being in danger... which could happen, I'm talking about the maintenance problems that can be with the woman for the rest of her life). The guy suffers no physical consequence of either.

I felt this way prior to our child being born and after seeing my wife endure a relatively mild pregnancy and a birth that lasted way too long, I'm pretty much on the side of "you have to be a sick fuck to force a woman to carry a fetus for nine months and give birth to a baby". One act of sex doesn't morally equate the forced punishment of a full term pregnancy and birth. Forget rape! That is a red herring. The metric of wanting to have sex verses being forcibly violated doesn't change the math.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Agreed with that, but I think the root cause of the exception is different.
For the average conservative, "killing a baby" is a grey area. The root thinking against abortion is that pregnancy is a punishment for sex, it's the risk that protects our daughters from becoming sluts.
So you have to have a loophole for when they didn't consent, if you want to only punish the sluts.

Then how do you explain the exception for incest? Is that more a protection of the family's honor? "Yes, my daughter is a slut, but she did it with her brother and that would reflect poorly on our family, so it's ok for her to get the abortion."

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Agreed with that, but I think the root cause of the exception is different.
For the average conservative, "killing a baby" is a grey area. The root thinking against abortion is that pregnancy is a punishment for sex, it's the risk that protects our daughters from becoming sluts.
So you have to have a loophole for when they didn't consent, if you want to only punish the sluts.

Then how do you explain the exception for incest? Is that more a protection of the family's honor? "Yes, my daughter is a slut, but she did it with her brother and that would reflect poorly on our family, so it's ok for her to get the abortion."

Incest is generally figured to not involve true consent.

 

[dx713]

Agreed with that, but I think the root cause of the exception is different.
For the average conservative, "killing a baby" is a grey area. The root thinking against abortion is that pregnancy is a punishment for sex, it's the risk that protects our daughters from becoming sluts.
So you have to have a loophole for when they didn't consent, if you want to only punish the sluts.

Then how do you explain the exception for incest? Is that more a protection of the family's honor? "Yes, my daughter is a slut, but she did it with her brother and that would reflect poorly on our family, so it's ok for her to get the abortion."

Simpler.
Incest is an awful thing that only happens in other families, so I don't have to think much about it except that I think it's about a daughter being victimized by an evil father, ergo non-slut-victim exception.

 

[Jarhyn]

Then how do you explain the exception for incest? Is that more a protection of the family's honor? "Yes, my daughter is a slut, but she did it with her brother and that would reflect poorly on our family, so it's ok for her to get the abortion."

Simpler.
Incest is an awful thing that only happens in other families, so I don't have to think much about it except that I think it's about a daughter being victimized by an evil father, ergo non-slut-victim exception.

But why would they need a rape exception? Every good republican, libertarian, and tea partier knows that 'she was asking for it by dressing like that'.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Simpler.
Incest is an awful thing that only happens in other families, so I don't have to think much about it except that I think it's about a daughter being victimized by an evil father, ergo non-slut-victim exception.

But why would they need a rape exception? Every good republican, libertarian, and tea partier knows that 'she was asking for it by dressing like that'.

That's an over-generalization, even those groups do recognize rape when it's non-consensual.

Though on a side note..I do think that it shows abortion is a grey area if you believe in exceptions since it would be murder whether its rape, incest, or consensual.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But why would they need a rape exception? Every good republican, libertarian, and tea partier knows that 'she was asking for it by dressing like that'.

That's an over-generalization, even those groups do recognize rape when it's non-consensual.

Except women can't get pregnant if they were legitimately raped. You know, in a normal world, that quote would have to of been taken out of context.

Though on a side note..I do think that it shows abortion is a grey area if you believe in exceptions since it would be murder whether its rape, incest, or consensual.

Recent restrictions being placed are eliminating treatment centers, so the rape, incest, etc... exclusions are obviously just diplomatic measures to be able to pass the original restrictions. By eliminating treatment locations, they are showing their hand and they don't actually give a damn about the circumstances of a pregnancy. In other words, they are pro-choice, as in they believe a rapist has a right to choose who has a baby.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Except women can't get pregnant if they were legitimately raped. You know, in a normal world, that quote would have to of been taken out of context.

And there are crazy people on that side, but not everyone in those groups feel that way. A libertarian can be on either side of the abortion issue

Recent restrictions being placed are eliminating treatment centers, so the rape, incest, etc... exclusions are obviously just diplomatic measures to be able to pass the original restrictions. By eliminating treatment locations, they are showing their hand and they don't actually give a damn about the circumstances of a pregnancy. In other words, they are pro-choice, as in they believe a rapist has a right to choose who has a baby.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say there. But if you believe that abortion is murder, than it doesn't matter how it happened. How many people would say that once a baby was born someone had a right to drown it because it was born from a rape?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Then how do you explain the exception for incest? Is that more a protection of the family's honor? "Yes, my daughter is a slut, but she did it with her brother and that would reflect poorly on our family, so it's ok for her to get the abortion."

Incest is generally figured to not involve true consent.

Then why is that not simply considered in the category of "rape"? If there was no consent? To separate it from that category implies it is something different from rape but also disdainful enough to allow the murdering of the unborn. If it's not "rape" then doesn't that imply it was consensual? If it wasn't consensual, why can't it be called "rape"? I'm just trying to understand the semantics that are being used here.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And there are crazy people on that side, but not everyone in those groups feel that way.

How many votes did Todd Akin receive?

A libertarian can be on either side of the abortion issue

The beauty of libertarianism is the ability to be on just about any side of any issue.

Recent restrictions being placed are eliminating treatment centers, so the rape, incest, etc... exclusions are obviously just diplomatic measures to be able to pass the original restrictions. By eliminating treatment locations, they are showing their hand and they don't actually give a damn about the circumstances of a pregnancy. In other words, they are pro-choice, as in they believe a rapist has a right to choose who has a baby.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say there. But if you believe that abortion is murder, than it doesn't matter how it happened. How many people would say that once a baby was born someone had a right to drown it because it was born from a rape?

Murder what? Oh... you are under the mistaken impression that the ban against abortion has something to do with people being against the murder of a fetus. That is a red herring. These people want to get rid of birth control en masse... it is just easier to start with abortion by talking about murder.

 

[coloradoatheist]

How many votes did Todd Akin receive?

A libertarian can be on either side of the abortion issue

The beauty of libertarianism is the ability to be on just about any side of any issue.

Recent restrictions being placed are eliminating treatment centers, so the rape, incest, etc... exclusions are obviously just diplomatic measures to be able to pass the original restrictions. By eliminating treatment locations, they are showing their hand and they don't actually give a damn about the circumstances of a pregnancy. In other words, they are pro-choice, as in they believe a rapist has a right to choose who has a baby.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say there. But if you believe that abortion is murder, than it doesn't matter how it happened. How many people would say that once a baby was born someone had a right to drown it because it was born from a rape?

Murder what? Oh... you are under the mistaken impression that the ban against abortion has something to do with people being against the murder of a fetus. That is a red herring. These people want to get rid of birth control en masse... it is just easier to start with abortion by talking about murder.

There is a wide variety of reasons people do want to ban abortion, from all birth control to allowing it and I do believe that people think that abortion is murder. I don't agree, but that's their belief. I think most people find it a grey hair, even pro-choice people.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Incest is generally figured to not involve true consent.

Then why is that not simply considered in the category of "rape"? If there was no consent? To separate it from that category implies it is something different from rape but also disdainful enough to allow the murdering of the unborn. If it's not "rape" then doesn't that imply it was consensual? If it wasn't consensual, why can't it be called "rape"? I'm just trying to understand the semantics that are being used here.

Because it's not rape--they generally said "yes". It was just they were manipulated into it.

(Never mind that they're only thinking of adult-child incest. Adult-adult is likely fully consensual.)