repoman
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Seems like he is making too much of a big deal about it even if he is technically correct. In many languages there are no gender pronouns, I wonder how gender non-typicals deal with that aspect there.
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Does Jordan Peterson have a coherent argument that not using preferred pronouns is free speech?
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Seems like he is making too much of a big deal about it even if he is technically correct. In many languages there are no gender pronouns, I wonder how gender non-typicals deal with that aspect there.
DrZoidberg
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Sweden recently transferred from he/she to a new gender neutral pronoun. No government regulation or rules. It just caught on because it was more helpful. In Swedish he, is "han" and she is "hon". The new gender neutral one is "hen". Much more practical. Also doesn't obstruct anybody who would prefer to use the old system.
I for one prefer a gender neutral pronoun instead of having to write he/she all the time.
barbos
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Well. this is not a problem in russian. New gender would mean ridiculous changes in language because verbs are in certain tenses inflected according to subject gender, so there is no way to do this.
DrZoidberg
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BTW, this is all a storm in a tea cup. What this guy is against is legislation to regulate which pronouns he is allowed to use. Nobody (we need to care about) has proposed such legislation. Nor will they ever. That is not how languages evolve.
Jordan Peters is fed up and angry about something which isn't a problem and never will be. He is an idiot. He misses the point entirely.
The transgendered guy arguing against him isn't either trying to get such regulations passed. He/she/it (see how annoying gendered pronouns are) just wants to talk on TV a bit. Good for he/she/it (please, shoot me it's so annoying to have to write that shit out). They're not remotely talking about the same thing.
What a fucking pseudo-debate and pseudo-controversy. If you like it, use it. If you don't don't. I'm all for anything that enhances ease of understanding and ease of reading. As far as I am concerned languages should be constantly evolving. That is a good thing.
Jordan Peters is fed up and angry about something which isn't a problem and never will be. He is an idiot. He misses the point entirely.
The transgendered guy arguing against him isn't either trying to get such regulations passed. He/she/it (see how annoying gendered pronouns are) just wants to talk on TV a bit. Good for he/she/it (please, shoot me it's so annoying to have to write that shit out). They're not remotely talking about the same thing.
What a fucking pseudo-debate and pseudo-controversy. If you like it, use it. If you don't don't. I'm all for anything that enhances ease of understanding and ease of reading. As far as I am concerned languages should be constantly evolving. That is a good thing.
barbos
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I think Jordan Peterson has a coherent argument against legislating english language.
DrZoidberg
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Who's trying to legislate the English language?
barbos
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Some transgender people I understand.
DrZoidberg
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This is like Thor slaying the Ice Giants. Because there are no Ice Giants, therefore Thor exists. Erm... no.
You understand wrongly. Nobody wants to legislate the English language. Jordan Peters is against something that doesn't exist.
But if someone were trying to legislate the English language you'd be against it*?
* by "it" here I am not referring the person but the thing.
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Why are you oppressing us people who want to preserve the Enghlisck Language! We are so oppressed!
barbos
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Yes, and he wants it to stay that that way.
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Instead of "he/she/it" use simply "shit".
Shit was just elected president of the United States.
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repoman
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Somehow I feel this is related:
By the way Chris Evert was a great tennis player, so I don't see the insult. Actually, Chris Evert should have flipped the table and grabbed Jim Rom by the lapels.
Oh, wow, she really has that good?!? I was too young to know much about her...
By the way Chris Evert was a great tennis player, so I don't see the insult. Actually, Chris Evert should have flipped the table and grabbed Jim Rom by the lapels.
Oh, wow, she really has that good?!? I was too young to know much about her...
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Not so funny story -
There I was, a 14 year old boy at the Santa Barbara Tennis Club (circa 1964 (?), whining about not having anyone to play. I was a good player for my age, even in that tennis-heavy community. The resident Pro, Mike Koury, got sick of my whining. He pointed at the scrawny 10 year old girl who had just come in to the clubhouse and said "play HER!". I was all "No way!". "She'll beat you" said Mike, in a matter-of fact way. "Go take Center Court". Center court was a small stadium, where I had recently witnessed an exhibition match between Rod Laver and Ken Rosewall. Much though I didn't look forward to beating up on a ten year old girl, I was thrilled with having Center Court.
To make a sadly short story even shorter ... about 35 minutes later, it was 6-2, 6-1 and I was scarred for life - one totally humiliated 14 year old. "Chrissy" had beaten me six ways from Sunday, in every facet of the game - even the power serve of which I had been so proud. And thus ended any ambition I ever had of becoming a great tennis player.
There's a moral to the story somewhere, but 50+ years later it continues to elude me. It was small consolation when "Chrissy" showed up as the #1 woman in the world some years later.
Eldarion Lathria
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Third person singular, bera, active form berak. Plural third person, eurak. Possessive bere, and eure. Problem solved.
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It's almost like people don't actually get what "free speech" is.
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Bera?!? That's hura! Check your privilege, you Western Basque oppressor!
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Actually, Peterson is arguing specifically against Bill C-16 which he claims would open the door for legislating the use of certain pronouns. I think some people have argued this is a misconception. I am no legal expert, but that is the argument, but it isn't an argument about nothing.