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Does "Rape Culture" exist?

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Within feminism, rape culture is a concept that links rape and sexual violence to the culture of a society,[1] and in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture

From my experience in life I think this is BS. I was in one of the largest frat houses in the states largest school. If anything there was a get laid culture but not a rape culture. Lots of drunken sex was going on. But the sorority girls were equal players. Never was rape normalized, excused, tolerated, or even condoned.

I've read recent articles about sex on college campus and it is described as the hook up culture. Students don't want all the baggage that comes with a relationship, but they want to hook up on the weekends.
 
Nope, no rape culture there.

Why do you assume that is rape culture? I was once at a party and this really fat girl got me wasted on vodka. I went back to her place and had sex with her. When I woke up in the morning I was like "what the fuck did I do?". Was I raped? No. When guys regret sleeping with someone it is called "beer googles" but when a girl regrets sex it's rape.
 
I don't know, why would I assume that drunken frat parties may lead to an increased incidence of rape?
 
As someone who paid attention in Anthropology 101, I am finding it harder and harder to stomach the over use of the word culture to describe everything from poverty to people who buy Starbucks coffee.

The is no rape culture, but there is rape within our culture.

Is that really so hard to say?

And as for "I never saw rape in my frat just drunken sex," could you please explain how that is something to brag to about?

And BTW, just because you didn't see it, didn't mean it didn't happen.

Jessayin'
 
In the 20th century, " culture" emerged as a central concept in anthropology, encompassing the range of human phenomena that cannot be directly attributed to genetic inheritance. Specifically, the term "culture" in American anthropology had two meanings:
1.the evolved human capacity to classify and represent experiences with symbols, and to act imaginatively and creatively; and
2.the distinct ways that people, who live differently, classified and represented their experiences, and acted creatively.[2]

Hoebel describes culture as an integrated system of learned behavior patterns which are characteristic of the members of a society and which are not a result of biological inheritance.[3]

Distinctions are currently made between the physical artifacts created by a society, its so-called material culture, and everything else,[4] the intangibles such as language, customs, etc. that are the main referent of the term "culture".
 
And as for "I never saw rape in my frat just drunken sex," could you please explain how that is something to brag to about?
Where do you get the idea that I was bragging? I was just describing what went on.

And BTW, just because you didn't see it, didn't mean it didn't happen.

Yes, I'm sure lots of girls were raped in my frat and I had no idea.

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I don't know, why would I assume that drunken frat parties may lead to an increased incidence of rape?

Half of the parties were held at sorority houses. I guess the girls were looking to get raped?
 
Why do you assume all the stories about sexual assault on campuses is BS?
 
1: The claim that people who report rape are more likely to be doubted by authorities and the general public seems to be true.
2: I have yet to see any solid evidence that that particular offense has been proven to have a higher incidence of false reporting than any other crime.
3: There have been many cases of police departments ignoring or not following up on rapes, even going so far as to not complete the testing of their handy 'rape kits.'
4: Assaults, sexual or otherwise, on women by men based on their appearance or dress seem to be much common than on men by men, or any other combination, for that matter.
5: Assaults on women seem to be more frequently blamed on the victim than assaults on men are.

These observations lead me to believe that there is something wrong with mass perception of this. Whether that can be called 'culture' is semantics, and is largely irrelevant, compared to the reality of the situation.
 
1: The claim that people who report rape are more likely to be doubted by authorities and the general public seems to be true.
2: I have yet to see any solid evidence that that particular offense has been proven to have a higher incidence of false reporting than any other crime.
3: There have been many cases of police departments ignoring or not following up on rapes, even going so far as to not complete the testing of their handy 'rape kits.'
4: Assaults, sexual or otherwise, on women by men based on their appearance or dress seem to be much common than on men by men, or any other combination, for that matter.
5: Assaults on women seem to be more frequently blamed on the victim than assaults on men are.

These observations lead me to believe that there is something wrong with mass perception of this. Whether that can be called 'culture' is semantics, and is largely irrelevant, compared to the reality of the situation.

it is not semantics. Rape comes from the same place as lynching, police brutality, and other systemic expressions of oppression. It is not something separate from a pecular brutality than runs through our culture, mere a particular manifestation of it.
 
I don't assume ALL stories about sexual assault are BS, no, but i don't think there is a culture of rape.

Yes, Virginia. There is a culture of rape. The term means different things to different people, but there are two basic elements.

The first is the idea that girls(this starts at adolescences) are responsible for sexual control and access to her body. In a closed society, such as Saudi Arabia, this means the woman is secluded and guarded against any man who might have a sexual interest in her. In an open society such as the US, this means the woman is in charge of the sexual brakes. Many men may have access to her and each may go as far as she allows.

The second element is the idea that sex is an entitlement for the man. Whatever he has to offer is more than enough and in exchange, he should be compensated with sex.

Like everything else in life, rape culture is a matter of degree. The sentiment that a woman whose clothes expose a lot of skin is "asking for it," is one of the milder aspects of rape culture. The sentiment that a man deserves sex if he paid for dinner and a movie, is further along the scale. Somewhere on the scale, we can place "date rape", which we define as coerced sex that starts in a social setting. That exposes one of the problems. We need definitions for degrees of rape and this leads to arguments about the border line between one class and the next.

That's really what the argument is about, where the lines are drawn, and then, who drew them. Where the lines are, or better said, where each of us sees the lines, is our culture.
 
it is not semantics. Rape comes from the same place as lynching, police brutality, and other systemic expressions of oppression.
Unless you're talking about rape as an intentional weapon of war, we can't just assume rape in society is a systemic expression. I would agree some cultures like middle eastern ones that require four witnesses or punish the woman for fornication after a rape would qualify as a "rape culture".
 
Unless you're talking about rape as an intentional weapon of war, we can't just assume rape in society is a systemic expression. I would agree some cultures like middle eastern ones that require four witnesses or punish the woman for fornication after a rape would qualify as a "rape culture".

I would agree if you are using the word metaphorically and to describe a culture wide phenomenon. Keep in mind, rape is not a crime of physical passion, but of violence and control. Sex is just the weapon of choice. And the climax is dependent on the subjugation of the victim, male or female. In a lynching, you have the same power dynamic and sex plays a part there as well for it is common among lynchings to castrate to victim before death. Police brutality has as its demand submission to and total acceptance of the perpetrators authority. It is not uncommon for the police involved in such beating to engaged in a sexualized trash talking while administering the physical beating. Domestic abuse and child molestation share these characteristics. They also share something else. The perpetrators bewilderment that his actions are seen as wrong and a need to blame the victim. A burglar doesn't think that what he is doing is right and just and when he is caught, he doesn't think his fellow citizens should understand and let him go. Neither does a murderer, a con man, not even a pick pocket. But the perpetrators in the first set of crimes don't even consider what they do to be a crime. In some cases they consider it their civic duty if not some individual right.
 
It certainly exists in countries like Saudi Arabia, where females are being oppressed on a constant basis. I don't know to what extent it exists in the U.S. There are cases like the Steubenville rape, where the rape is kept quiet simply because exposing it would ruin the life of star football players.
 
If you live in a society, any society where someone can openly say of a rape victim, "They were asking for it" then I think, by definition, you're living in a rape culture. It doesn't mean that all reported rapes are true, it doesn't mean that every male is a potential rapist. There are other societies where rape is more prevalent and/or more accepted but I don't really see how that lets us off the hook.
 
I don't know, why would I assume that drunken frat parties may lead to an increased incidence of rape?
Well if you are a "rape culture" proponent you merely define all consensual drunken sex as rape (with men being defined as the guilty party and women as "victims" by default). Easy peasy, instant fake problem to "solve" by denying accused college men due process rights.
 
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1: The claim that people who report rape are more likely to be doubted by authorities and the general public seems to be true.
Depends on which "authorities". Police, prosecutors and courts operate in a system that still has pesky things such as presumption of innocence, burden of proof set at "beyond a reasonable doubt" and due process protections such as ability to confront one's accuser. These authorities then have to be selective in which cases they bring forward based on available evidence - and even then they sometimes get it wrong and go after innocent men like Brian Banks.
College authorities on the other hand don't have to do that since the horrible Obama administration directive that set burden of proof at the lowest level of "preponderance of evidence" and basically eviscerated any due process protections of the accused. The result is that the woman is believed automatically and in practice the man has to prove his innocence. This leads to cases like University of North Dakota where a man was expelled even though the police actually charged the accuser with filing a false report and University(sic) of Georgia and Vasser where there were no criminal charges brought because there was no "probable cause" evidence yet the man was expelled in each case. That is not justice, that is prejudging based on gender. That is eviscerating rights of one group of people to ostensibly protect another based on their genders.

2: I have yet to see any solid evidence that that particular offense has been proven to have a higher incidence of false reporting than any other crime.
Only if you take Susan Brownmiller's fake number as revealed Truth. :rolleyes:
3: There have been many cases of police departments ignoring or not following up on rapes, even going so far as to not complete the testing of their handy 'rape kits.'
The huge backlog of untested "rape kits" is indeed a horrible injustice and one argument I agree with radfems with. On the other hand, that does not excuse punishing other men when there is no evidence that they did anything wrong. Especially consensual drunken sex where the man is presumed to be a rapist and the woman is presumed to be a victim even though they were both drunk and engaged in sex consensually. Btw, these are the cases where "rape kits" are all but useless as the sex is not in dispute. Which is the reason why rape is a crime most difficult to prove - it involves an act that is usually perfectly consensual and legal.

4: Assaults, sexual or otherwise, on women by men based on their appearance or dress seem to be much common than on men by men, or any other combination, for that matter.
However men are much more likely to be victims of violent crimes than women are. Yet female victims are given much more consideration than males are.
5: Assaults on women seem to be more frequently blamed on the victim than assaults on men are.
The problem is that with sex there often is no evidence that would distinguish nonconsensual sex from consensual sex and consensual sex is something millions of people engage in every day. With mugging, battery, murder the cases are more clear cut and victims of those are by and large men.

These observations lead me to believe that there is something wrong with mass perception of this. Whether that can be called 'culture' is semantics, and is largely irrelevant, compared to the reality of the situation.

Well true "rape culture" would be a subset of "violent crime culture" but if you look at all violent crimes you can't play cheap 70s-80s style gender warfare politics (Brownmiller, Dworkin, Steinem, McKinnon et al). Also many radfems consider innocuous things like porn as part of "rape culture" as well.
 
it is not semantics. Rape comes from the same place as lynching, police brutality, and other systemic expressions of oppression. It is not something separate from a pecular brutality than runs through our culture, mere a particular manifestation of it.
Very little consensual lynchings, beatings etc. going on. On the other hand, vast majority of sex acts are perfectly consensual. Which makes rape very different than these other violent crimes and more difficult to prove. That is, however, not a reason to water down the burden of proof or due process rights of the (often wrongly) accused.
 
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