Donald Trump's Stock Market

[RVonse]

We should all be hoping for a sharp correction in the 20-30% range and a slowdown in the economy, and an uptick in consumer prices due to the tariffs right around mid-term elections. Support for the bankrupt Republican party needs to be decimated.

So you are a democrat now?

I'm a never Trumper for sure, and the Democrats are far more preferable than the current lot of Republicans, the Republicans who refuse to stand up to the madness.

Never Trump is not even a political party AFAIK. Its just a group of people who dont like Trump.

But here is what I find facinating. Before Trump, the two of us were ideologically apart from each other. But what has changed after Trump is that now you appear aligned with democrats instead of republicans and I am now aligning exactly the opposite.

So either the parties themselves have changed radically or the parties themselves do an extremely poor job of differentiating themselves with each other. I suspect it is the later. Which if true is a very bad thing when there are only 2 parties to choose from.

 

[Axulus]

I'm a never Trumper for sure, and the Democrats are far more preferable than the current lot of Republicans, the Republicans who refuse to stand up to the madness.

Never Trump is not even a political party AFAIK. Its just a group of people who dont like Trump.

But here is what I find facinating. Before Trump, the two of us were ideologically apart from each other. But what has changed after Trump is that now you appear aligned with democrats instead of republicans and I am now aligning exactly the opposite.

So either the parties themselves have changed radically or the parties themselves do an extremely poor job of differentiating themselves with each other. I suspect it is the later. Which if true is a very bad thing when there are only 2 parties to choose from.

I most closely identify as a neoliberal (see this article here: https://medium.com/@s8mb/im-a-neoliberal-maybe-you-are-too-b809a2a588d6) and thus find good and bad things in both parties. At the moment, the Republicans under the leadership of Trump most offend my core values. While both parties have changed, the Republicans have changed much more for the worst. I was never a very strong Republican supporter to begin with.

The worst things about Republicans under Trump leadership as I see them:

-Reversal of tolerance towards state laws legalizing marijuana (under Sessions)

-General xenophobic attitudes and scapegoating immigrants and Muslims. No qualms about breaking apart families. No compassion.

-Anti free trade

-No interest in criminal justice reform (and reversal of reform under Sessions)

-Seriously damaging relationship and cooperation with key allies and trading partners.

-Breaking apart boundaries and norms of non-interference between judicial branch, law enforcement, and the presidency

-Tarnishing our law enforcement and national security agencies for purely political reasons

-Attacking the media and individuals (attempting to do them harm) purely for political reasons

-Out of control debt

-Religious zealotry and social conservatism, including anti-abortion, anti LGBT, lack of chruch/state separation, anti sex-ed, anti-contraceptives (Mike Pence and Ted Cruz are good examples)

-Blindness to and denial of climate change

-Creeping white nationalism and white identity politics

-Too much support of and funds allocated to the military

These negatives are a deal breaker for me for the vast majority of Republicians

 

[RVonse]

I'm a never Trumper for sure, and the Democrats are far more preferable than the current lot of Republicans, the Republicans who refuse to stand up to the madness.

Never Trump is not even a political party AFAIK. Its just a group of people who dont like Trump.

But here is what I find facinating. Before Trump, the two of us were ideologically apart from each other. But what has changed after Trump is that now you appear aligned with democrats instead of republicans and I am now aligning exactly the opposite.

So either the parties themselves have changed radically or the parties themselves do an extremely poor job of differentiating themselves with each other. I suspect it is the later. Which if true is a very bad thing when there are only 2 parties to choose from.

I most closely identify as a neoliberal (see this article here: https://medium.com/@s8mb/im-a-neoliberal-maybe-you-are-too-b809a2a588d6) and thus find good and bad things in both parties. At the moment, the Republicans under the leadership of Trump most offend my core values. While both parties have changed, the Republicans have changed much more for the worst. I was never a very strong Republican supporter to begin with.

The worst things about Republicans under Trump leadership as I see them:

-Reversal of tolerance towards state laws legalizing marijuana (under Sessions)

-General xenophobic attitudes and scapegoating immigrants and Muslims. No qualms about breaking apart families. No compassion.

-Anti free trade

-No interest in criminal justice reform (and reversal of reform under Sessions)

-Seriously damaging relationship and cooperation with key allies and trading partners.

-Breaking apart boundaries and norms of non-interference between judicial branch, law enforcement, and the presidency

-Tarnishing our law enforcement and national security agencies for purely political reasons

-Attacking the media and individuals (attempting to do them harm) purely for political reasons

-Out of control debt

-Religious zealotry and social conservatism, including anti-abortion, anti LGBT, lack of chruch/state separation, anti sex-ed, anti-contraceptives (Mike Pence and Ted Cruz are good examples)

-Blindness to and denial of climate change

-Creeping white nationalism and white identity politics

-Too much support of and funds allocated to the military

These negatives are a deal breaker for me for the vast majority of Republicians

Thank you for sharing. This is very interesting to me even though I do not agree with it. I found another article on neoliberalism here: https://www.racefiles.com/2012/11/2...s-whats-the-difference-and-why-should-i-care/ but appears to be slightly different than yours.

Axulus would you agree with this part as described of neoliberalism?:
The New Deal was a kind of class compromise – economic growth through free trade, but constrained by government programs and regulations. By the end of WWII, the share of national income by the top 1% had fallen, and it remained stagnant for a while. With strong growth, it didn’t matter much. But once growth collapsed and inflation soared in the 1970s, the share of wealth by the top 1% plunged from about 35% in 1965 to 20% in 1975. And then the 1% rallied. This is where neoliberalism comes from. Neoliberals argue that the surest path to widespread prosperity is to free capital from government constraints. In other words, privatize everything, absolutely – healthcare, land, water, prisons, communications, food production… you name it. For the 1%, it has worked smashingly. The ratio of median compensation for workers to CEO salaries went from 30:1 in 1970 to more than 500:1 in 2000.

Axulus, do you consider it a good thing that our nation now has extreme wealth disparity as compared to post WWII?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I most closely identify as a neoliberal (see this article here: https://medium.com/@s8mb/im-a-neoliberal-maybe-you-are-too-b809a2a588d6) and thus find good and bad things in both parties. At the moment, the Republicans under the leadership of Trump most offend my core values. While both parties have changed, the Republicans have changed much more for the worst. I was never a very strong Republican supporter to begin with.

The worst things about Republicans under Trump leadership as I see them:

-Reversal of tolerance towards state laws legalizing marijuana (under Sessions)

-General xenophobic attitudes and scapegoating immigrants and Muslims. No qualms about breaking apart families. No compassion.

-Anti free trade

-No interest in criminal justice reform (and reversal of reform under Sessions)

-Seriously damaging relationship and cooperation with key allies and trading partners.

-Breaking apart boundaries and norms of non-interference between judicial branch, law enforcement, and the presidency

-Tarnishing our law enforcement and national security agencies for purely political reasons

-Attacking the media and individuals (attempting to do them harm) purely for political reasons

-Out of control debt

-Religious zealotry and social conservatism, including anti-abortion, anti LGBT, lack of chruch/state separation, anti sex-ed, anti-contraceptives (Mike Pence and Ted Cruz are good examples)

-Blindness to and denial of climate change

-Creeping white nationalism and white identity politics

-Too much support of and funds allocated to the military

These negatives are a deal breaker for me for the vast majority of Republicians

Thank you for sharing. This is very interesting to me even though I do not agree with it. I found another article on neoliberalism here: https://www.racefiles.com/2012/11/2...s-whats-the-difference-and-why-should-i-care/ but appears to be slightly different than yours.

Axulus would you agree with this part as described of neoliberalism?:
The New Deal was a kind of class compromise – economic growth through free trade, but constrained by government programs and regulations. By the end of WWII, the share of national income by the top 1% had fallen, and it remained stagnant for a while. With strong growth, it didn’t matter much. But once growth collapsed and inflation soared in the 1970s, the share of wealth by the top 1% plunged from about 35% in 1965 to 20% in 1975. And then the 1% rallied. This is where neoliberalism comes from. Neoliberals argue that the surest path to widespread prosperity is to free capital from government constraints. In other words, privatize everything, absolutely – healthcare, land, water, prisons, communications, food production… you name it. For the 1%, it has worked smashingly. The ratio of median compensation for workers to CEO salaries went from 30:1 in 1970 to more than 500:1 in 2000.

Axulus, do you consider it a good thing that our nation now has extreme wealth disparity as compared to post WWII?

a lot of that is not Neo-liberalism. The relevant parts are "economic growth through free trade" and "free capital from government constraints," i.e. laissez-faire economics. When people think of the New Deal, they do not think of either of these.