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Don't the Democrats have a better candidate than Hillary Cllnton?

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We have an absurd situation where Donald Trump might be the next President of the United States.If that happens I think a lot of the balmce should be with the Democrats for putting up a widely mistrusted, disliked liability as their candidate.

Surely any one who was even remotely popular could beat Trump?
 
We have an absurd situation where Donald Trump might be the next President of the United States.If that happens I think a lot of the balmce should be with the Democrats for putting up a widely mistrusted, disliked liability as their candidate.

Surely any one who was even remotely popular could beat Trump?

Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.
 
We have an absurd situation where Donald Trump might be the next President of the United States.If that happens I think a lot of the balmce should be with the Democrats for putting up a widely mistrusted, disliked liability as their candidate.

Surely any one who was even remotely popular could beat Trump?

Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.


Well to be fair, she was only First Lady for 8 years, a Senator, and a Cabinet Secretary. That's not much when compared to the host of a second rate reality show. If only the Dems had run Jeff Probst!
 
We have an absurd situation where Donald Trump might be the next President of the United States.If that happens I think a lot of the balmce should be with the Democrats for putting up a widely mistrusted, disliked liability as their candidate.

Surely any one who was even remotely popular could beat Trump?

Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.
Democratically?
Wasn't it super delegates who got her in?

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Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.


Well to be fair, she was only First Lady for 8 years, a Senator, and a Cabinet Secretary. That's not much when compared to the host of a second rate reality show. If only the Dems had run Jeff Probst!

Are you quite happy then if Trump gets to be President because she has these things in her favour but otherwise is an enormous liability?
 
Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.
Democratically?
Wasn't it super delegates who got her in?

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Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.


Well to be fair, she was only First Lady for 8 years, a Senator, and a Cabinet Secretary. That's not much when compared to the host of a second rate reality show. If only the Dems had run Jeff Probst!

Are you quite happy then if Trump gets to be President because she has these things in her favour but otherwise is an enormous liability?

Most parties like the UK won't use the rank and file as it will take too long. In the UK party leaders are chosen by the party MPs. Trump seems to be less of a bad alternative.
 
We have an absurd situation where Donald Trump might be the next President of the United States.If that happens I think a lot of the balmce should be with the Democrats for putting up a widely mistrusted, disliked liability as their candidate.

Surely any one who was even remotely popular could beat Trump?

Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.

Are we already pretending that she won the primary in a free and fair election without extreme corruption?
 
Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.

Are we already pretending that she won the primary in a free and fair election without extreme corruption?

This would be among the delegates. If there was corruption and I am sure this can exist, I am not quite sure how this occurred. A change in the system to allow all democratic party members to vote may be one idea. It would of course be costly and somewhat expensive but if there are less safeguards, corruption in the counting etc could take place more easily.
 
Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.
Democratically?
Wasn't it super delegates who got her in?

Secretary Clinton received 3,775,437 more votes than Senator Sanders according to RealClearPolitics.

Secy. Clinton got 2205 pledged delegates to Sen. Sanders 1846 pledged delegates according to CNN. Pledged delegates are determined by state election results and are allocated on a proportional basis in each state. There were no winner take all states in the Democratic primary.

If there was no such thing as super delegates, the results are still a victory by Secy. Clinton, she just has the majority of all delegates instead of a majority of pledged delegates.

Super delegates would have needed to overturn both the pledged delegate vote and the popular vote, to give the nomination to Sen. Sanders. Given those facts it's fair to say that Secy. Clinton won the nomination democratically.
 
We have an absurd situation where Donald Trump might be the next President of the United States.If that happens I think a lot of the balmce should be with the Democrats for putting up a widely mistrusted, disliked liability as their candidate.

Surely any one who was even remotely popular could beat Trump?
Sure, there are Democrats who would be make a better POTUS than Clinton.
Similarly, there are Republicans who would make a better POTUS than Trump.
But they are the candidates.
 
We have an absurd situation where Donald Trump might be the next President of the United States.If that happens I think a lot of the balmce should be with the Democrats for putting up a widely mistrusted, disliked liability as their candidate.

Surely any one who was even remotely popular could beat Trump?
Sure, there are Democrats who would be make a better POTUS than Clinton.
Similarly, there are Republicans who would make a better POTUS than Trump.
But they are the candidates.

But aren't there any that would be able to produce a contest that wasn't so close against Donald Trump?

Someone as unpopular as Trump should be easy to beat, yet the Democrats have put up a corrupt pathological liar with apparent heath issues who is extremely unpopular. Seems like a dumb idea
 
Sure, there are Democrats who would be make a better POTUS than Clinton.
Similarly, there are Republicans who would make a better POTUS than Trump.
But they are the candidates.

But aren't there any that would be able to produce a contest that wasn't so close against Donald Trump?

Someone as unpopular as Trump should be easy to beat, yet the Democrats have put up a corrupt pathological liar with apparent heath issues who is extremely unpopular. Seems like a dumb idea
Sorry, my bad.
Yes, there are Democrats who would make a better candidate against Trump.
There are also Republicans who would make a better candidate against Clinton.
Trump should be easy to beat, but so should Clinton.
As for whether it's a bad idea to pick Clinton, that depends.
It's not a bad idea from Clinton's perspective (similarly, from Trump), so the question is whether someone is being dumb by picking Clinton. Voters had to pick between her and Sanders.

Among those, I'm not sure who is the better candidate against Trump, but the polls I'm familiar with indicated he was a better opponent (at least at that time in the campaign): http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-sanders-says-he-polls-better-against-donald/

However - as the article I linked to indicates - there were other factors that might have complicated Sanders if he'd been elected. Still, overall, he looks to have been probably a better candidate. Assuming Democrat voters should have concluded that Sanders was the better candidate, that does not imply that Clinton's voters were dumb, as their choice was (in most cases) not only based on who was the better opponent against Trump (or against the Republicans; they didn't know Trump would win, in many of the elections), but also on other factors, such as whom they preferred as POTUS, and many seem to have preferred Clinton over Sanders, perhaps over policy matters (e.g., many would consider Sanders to be far to the left on many issues).
 
Sanders wasn't going to win, no matter how many voted for him. He was too radical for the system to handle. He would have lost due to corruption of the establishment had he been the candidate for the Democrats, no matter how much people hate Trump. Didn't even get that far of course, as the establishment hacks within the Democrat Party took him down.

I'm actually not too fearful of Trump for the same reason. They would not allow Trump to get this far if they didn't know they had him controlled. His out of control maverick routine is just a routine. He's a puppet just like Hillary.
 
But aren't there any that would be able to produce a contest that wasn't so close against Donald Trump?
the short answer to this is no.

Someone as unpopular as Trump should be easy to beat, yet the Democrats have put up a corrupt pathological liar with apparent heath issues who is extremely unpopular. Seems like a dumb idea
see, you're making the mistake here of thinking that 'popular' or 'qualified' or any other sort of tangible metric actually related to the candidate has any bearing on US presidential elections, when the reality is that functionally speaking they do not.

in the US presidential elections break down pretty simply when you just look at the total number of people who will or do actually vote, in a hypothetical where every single one of them do so:
45% will vote for the democrat no matter who it is.
45% will vote for the republican no matter who it is.
10% will throw away their vote on 3rd party or write-ins or whatever.

elections are decided by which party's 45% is fired up enough to bother getting out and voting, and what decides that is a lot of factors having to do with how the country is doing economically and socially with a relatively small modifier to that being the potential for enthusiasm (or the lack thereof) for a given candidate.
as a general rule, this results in a back-and-forth cyclical presidential pattern, where you get one or two terms of one party doing their thing before the other side's electorate gets all fired up and pissed off about the state the country is in because of that and comes out in force to change things, and/or the other party's electorate suffers a lack of enthusiasm either because the candidate sucks (like for example with romney or mccain) or because the voting public are idiots (like for example with clinton or gore).

in terms of politics and policy clinton is a reasonable (and uninspired) candidate, a middle-of-the-road soft rightest who wouldn't go extremist on policy or appointments, but who's enough of a chickenhawk exceptionalist to keep the national pride morons happy. if you looked at her in a vacuum where only her politics were considered she's a mixed bag both parties should be grudgingly fine with, all the objections to her are purely idealistic.
trump on the other hand is simply the distilled essence of the republican voter base, so his closeness in polls makes perfect sense, but his chances of actually winning the election really come down to democrat voter apathy.
if they're stupid enough to peter out come voting time or to blow their votes on non-clinton candidates, trump could easily fail his way to winning.
 
Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.
Democratically?
Wasn't it super delegates who got her in?

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Better's got nothing to do with it. She was democratically elected. If the party wanted someone else, they could have voted for someone else.


Well to be fair, she was only First Lady for 8 years, a Senator, and a Cabinet Secretary. That's not much when compared to the host of a second rate reality show. If only the Dems had run Jeff Probst!

Are you quite happy then if Trump gets to be President because she has these things in her favour but otherwise is an enormous liability?

It wasn't just the super delegates that got HRC elected. She won about 4 million more votes that Bernie. Generally super delegates will vote with the popular vote.
 
Someone as unpopular as Trump should be easy to beat, yet the Democrats have put up a corrupt pathological liar with apparent heath issues who is extremely unpopular. Seems like a dumb idea

The evidence does not support the notion that Clinton is a pathological liar, nor corrupt, nor has any apparent health issues.
The most you can say is that there is gossip about her that never ever stands up to the evidence. They make gossip, get congress to investigate it, prove that it was baseless, and then make the same gossip again, using the congressional investigation as proof of guilt, despite the investigation showing none. Double Jeopardy by partisan hacks and media.


But aren't there any that would be able to produce a contest that wasn't so close against Donald Trump?

The right wing has been running a campaign of destruction for decades. They want to break government and then say "look it's broken." Toward that end, they have made an atmosphere where ANY democratic candidate will be hated, and they continue to ramp that. Sanders would have faced the same. He would have faced a firestorm of hate for being a dirty communist had he won. No reading of the electorate doesn't include that.

You claim she's a weak candidate while the majority of scientists, military generals, economists, Fortune 100 CEOs, Newspaper editorial boards all overwhelmingly endorse her. You pass on the same gossip. That is not a demonstration that she is weak, it's that gossip is sufficient evidence for too many voters, apparently you included.

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In other words, her liability is that the Republican party and its gossip-mongering followers hate government, they want anarchy and oligarchy. All Dem candidates are against that. And I'm glad she is there to fight against it.
 
Sanders wasn't going to win, no matter how many voted for him. He was too radical for the system to handle. He would have lost due to corruption of the establishment had he been the candidate for the Democrats, no matter how much people hate Trump. Didn't even get that far of course, as the establishment hacks within the Democrat Party took him down.

I'm actually not too fearful of Trump for the same reason. They would not allow Trump to get this far if they didn't know they had him controlled. His out of control maverick routine is just a routine. He's a puppet just like Hillary.

Whereas Trump, like Hitler, is just the thing! Jesus wept!

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She was diagnosed with pneumonia.

Which is, of course, utterly unrelated to fitness for serving as President.

I was diagnosed with chicken pox, once...

Well, there you are then! Not President, are you? You sound female, and all!
 
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