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Driving While Deaf: Daniel Harris, a deaf 29-year-old man, was shot and killed by police in Charlotte.

There are at least 3 distinct issues here:

1. Did the driver behave in ways that made it reasonable for the cop to view and react to him like a probable criminal trying to evade the police?
Based of given info, the answer is yes. The driver did something (keep speeding and refuse the pull over for 7 miles) that virtually no drivers do (even many/most deaf drivers), unless they deliberately trying to escape the police. Then he violated standard protocol and likely police commands when he got out of his car, which again is most typical of fleeing criminals.

2. Was the officer justified in shooting him? Based on current information, the answer is NO. Being a fleeing criminal doesn't justify the cops shooting him, unless he also showed evidence of being a violent threat to the cop or others in the area.

3. Did his deafness play a causal role in the outcome, thus indicating that in addition to better police training we need stronger regulations regarding deaf drivers?
Unless he was in fact a criminal deliberately fleeing, then the answer is yes. A hearing test should be added to the vision test to get a licence, with the results determining the type of limitations, restrictions, or added safety measures the driver needs to adhere to. At minimum, deaf drivers should have to put a sign on the rear window and have equipment that uses lights on the dash in response to sensors that detect sirens (such things exists and some deaf drivers use them).

IOW, whether the driver acted like a highly suspicious criminal, whether his deafness played an objective causal role in those actions and thus the outcome, and whether the cop was unjustified in his ultimate response to the driver's actions are separate questions with different answers. Causality and moral responsibility are distinct, despite rabid ideologues making tired, fallacious accusations of "victim blaming" every time objective causal factors related to the events are mentioned.
 
"victim blaming" every time objective causal factors related to the events are mentioned.

Nearly every poster here that has quoted Derec in these types of threads and included a negative comment about his alleged "victim blaming".

It is so annoying dealing with children that can't comprehend past the last 3 words they hear.
 
If Harris is unable "fully understood what was happening" when police is trying to pull him over due to his disability, then perhaps he should not be driving in the first place.

That is a separate question from the shooting though.

We can't discriminate just on disability since this would not fully affect his ability to drive. He should have a sign on his car, and also perhaps the police and deaf should learn to respond to flashing lights.
However, he was shot while exiting the vehicle while using sign language. So an investigation should take place but it does not suggest it is a fault to drive while deaf.

He knew the cops were there, he chose not to stop. Disability has nothing to do with it.
 
2. Was the officer justified in shooting him? Based on current information, the answer is NO. Being a fleeing criminal doesn't justify the cops shooting him, unless he also showed evidence of being a violent threat to the cop or others in the area.

Based on current knowledge: Undecided. We still have nothing about what actually caused the shooting.

What we do have is a guy apparently resisting arrest and with a previous record of resisting arrest. That's it.
 
Resisting arrest is a bullshit charge. Not understanding the cop's orders is not resisting arrest.

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All this thread has served to tell me is 'The police on the streets should have cameras, possibly attached to drones, not guns; if a gun is necessary, they should have to call it in and request QRF services. if this results in the officer getting shot, tough titties, insurance for his family, and open a warrant for the person who shot him, with automatic conviction.'
 
All this thread has served to tell me is 'The police on the streets should have cameras, not guns; if a gun is necessary, they should have to call it in and request QRF services.'

Sure, you say that now, but just wait until some cop beats an unarmed black teenager to death with his camera.
 
There is no description of what actually happened.

No description of what actually happened would mean we wouldn't know that Harris was shot by the police. So we obviously have SOME description of what happened. Try again.

read the article.. sheeesh.

cops tried to pull over suspect.
suspect ignored cops
cops tried a PIT maneuver (to run the suspect off the road)
suspect evaded PIT maneuver
Damaged cars (both police and suspect) came to a stop
suspect exited vehicle
an "encounter' occurred between suspect and cops
cop shot suspect.

Everyone here has agreed that "the encounter" is the core piece of missing information.

obviously.
 
Resisting arrest is a bullshit charge. Not understanding the cop's orders is not resisting arrest.

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Quit being a childlike rabid ideologue.

pot meet kettle. kettle, this is pot.

Ksen is correct. although "bullshit charge" is a bit much. 'Weak charge' would be more apt.

Obviously, "the encounter" is the most important part. Did the suspect sign, "oh I'm sorry, how can I help you, officer" or did he sign "fuck off pig or I will shoot you right here (and reach into his pocket)"
bit of a difference there, no?
 
No description of what actually happened would mean we wouldn't know that Harris was shot by the police. So we obviously have SOME description of what happened. Try again.

read the article.. sheeesh.

cops tried to pull over suspect.
suspect ignored cops
cops tried a PIT maneuver (to run the suspect off the road)
suspect evaded PIT maneuver
Damaged cars (both police and suspect) came to a stop
suspect exited vehicle
an "encounter' occurred between suspect and cops
cop shot suspect.

Everyone here has agreed that "the encounter" is the core piece of missing information.

obviously.

Thank you "Loren."

The encounter is not missing. We know that it happened, where it happened, and when it happened. What we don't know what the NCSBI will conclude from their investigation of dash and body cams along with any eyewitness observations or outside recordings of the encounter. So you see the encounter is not missing so much as being obscured from view. Not saying that it shouldn't be. False leads and conspiracy theories cost time and man hours and get in the way of finding out the truth, I get that. but I have lived in the Old North State for decades now and let's just say, there is a reason the FBI gets called in down here on so many SBI cases and it ain't just to get a free trip to the beach.
 
Why are deaf people allowed to drive?

They can't hear sirens of police, ambulance or fire trucks.
 
Why are deaf people allowed to drive?

They can't hear sirens of police, ambulance or fire trucks.

To be fair, some big truck engines make so much noise that hearing external sounds is difficult. Also, a lot of people blast music in their cars which reduces or eliminates their ability to hear sounds external to their vehicles. I've even seen some drivers wearing noise canceling headphones, presumably listening to music. I don't think these activities are illegal either.

Hearing is apparently not a primary necessity for driving a motor vehicle. As such, the hearing impaired should not be disenfranchised from this privilege, though I can envision a plausible future where that could change.
 
Why are deaf people allowed to drive?

They can't hear sirens of police, ambulance or fire trucks.


Police, ambulances, and fire trucks also have very bright flashing lights.

Yes, when they get close. But if you're on a cross street, you'll hear them before you see them.

And those lights didn't seem to help in this situation. The guy kept driving and didn't pull over.

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Why are deaf people allowed to drive?

They can't hear sirens of police, ambulance or fire trucks.

To be fair, some big truck engines make so much noise that hearing external sounds is difficult. Also, a lot of people blast music in their cars which reduces or eliminates their ability to hear sounds external to their vehicles. I've even seen some drivers wearing noise canceling headphones, presumably listening to music. I don't think these activities are illegal either.

Hearing is apparently not a primary necessity for driving a motor vehicle. As such, the hearing impaired should not be disenfranchised from this privilege, though I can envision a plausible future where that could change.

Actually it is illegal to wear headphones while driving. Check your state's laws.
 
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