Dump question: but why are Wikileaks and the Russians so desperate to elect Trump?

[Crazy Eddie]

Is it just to drive a wedge into NATO?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs-speeches/index.html

It's because they believe a Trump presidency would basically remove the United States as an obstacle to their regional ambitions for at least the duration of his term, and possibly MUCH longer. They see him as stupid and incompetent, easy to manipulate, prone to self-glorifying fantasies and reactionary, knee-jerk reactions to complex issues. They see Hilary as being too hawkish and too militaristic to let them get away with much and believe she will adopt a hard-line policy that could potentially lead to war.

It's the same kind of thing that happens in the United States: when a moderate reformer runs for office in, say, Iran or Palestine, we all start crossing our fingers hoping he wins, because that means those countries will probably stop doing threatening things that fuck it up for everyone else. In Russia, they feel the same way about Trump: if he wins, it will pretty much be the end of the United States as an effective world power and we'll never be a serious threat to them again.

This is, OTOH, basically unrelated to Wikileaks and the email hacks, which have almost nothing to do with Russia and everything to do with a lot of people not liking Hilary Clinton. Russia is doing all kinds of things to help Trump get elected, but releasing relatively innocuous emails everyone already saw eight months ago and goading cable news to pretend like they're actually relevant isn't one of them.

 

[Horatio Parker]

I think it's a lot of hand waving, to distract from the Assad/Putin Aleppo offensive.

Or US/Iraq Mosul offensive. I really don't understand this outrage over Aleppo, seems like is just another excuse to trash Russians to me.

Aleppo isn't Stalingrad. If the rebels won't allow civilians to evacuate, that won't relieve Assad/Russian responsibility.

 

[J842P]

It would be nice to have the GOP email server hacked though. If you read the DNC mails, just imagine what unfiltered GOP mails written by conservative extremists would contain.

What could they possibly uncover that could damage Trump more than him, in a recording, bragging about being a serial rapist? His mother is revealed to be a Mexican? He miss-sings the national anthem? The dog that he kicks, on camera, has an American flag painted on it? What could it possibly be?

Him saying he has no plans to build a wall, that he is for open borders, and that he is for the TPP.

 

[Will Wiley]

Is it just to drive a wedge into NATO?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs-speeches/index.html

In Russia, they feel the same way about Trump: if he wins, it will pretty much be the end of the United States as an effective world power and we'll never be a serious threat to them again.

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That is a seriously fucked up view.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In Russia, they feel the same way about Trump: if he wins, it will pretty much be the end of the United States as an effective world power and we'll never be a serious threat to them again.

That is a seriously fucked up view.

In the sense it isn't, I agree.

 

[Elixir]

In Russia, they feel the same way about Trump: if he wins, it will pretty much be the end of the United States as an effective world power and we'll never be a serious threat to them again.

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That is a seriously fucked up view.

Maybe you should go to Russia and straighten them out.

 

[ZiprHead]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/17/1583749/-Julian-Assange-investigated-for-online-grooming-of-8-year-old-girl

Hmmm...

 

[Jayjay]

I'm no fan of Assange, but the child molesting revelations just after he releases bunch of hacked emails from Hillary sound a bit too convenient.

 

[Elixir]

I'm no fan of Assange, but the child molesting revelations just after he releases bunch of hacked emails from Hillary sound a bit too convenient.

Yeah - like we needed that to make the connection between him and Trumples...

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Harry Bosch]

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Wow, a country that is willing to demonstrate that it won't be Trumpster's and Putin's tool. Very commendable.

 

[barbos]

I'm no fan of Assange, but the child molesting revelations just after he releases bunch of hacked emails from Hillary sound a bit too convenient.

His original regular rape charges appeared very conveniently too, don't you think?

 

[barbos]

Wow, a country that is willing to demonstrate that it won't be Trumpster's and Putin's tool. Very commendable.

I doubt it is what you think. They simply realized that Hillary is sure gonna win.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I'm no fan of Assange, but the child molesting revelations just after he releases bunch of hacked emails from Hillary sound a bit too convenient.

Yeah. and what are the chances of a paedophile doing the kind of work he's doing. Sounds to juicy to possibly be true. I suspect he's pretty squeeky clean.

BTW, the Swedish "rape charge" isn't a rape charge. They've yet to decide on how to label it. That's why he's wanted for questioning. Storm in a tea cup.

 

[barbos]

I'm no fan of Assange, but the child molesting revelations just after he releases bunch of hacked emails from Hillary sound a bit too convenient.

Yeah. and what are the chances of a paedophile doing the kind of work he's doing. Sounds to juicy to possibly be true.

That's a convoluted way of posing a question of probability. We already know that he is doing the kind of work he is doing. So correct question would "What are the chances of someone doing the kind of work Assange is doing of being of pedophile?" And the answer is "Pretty much the same as for anybody else, well, except probably for catholic priests"

I suspect he's pretty squeeky clean.

Me too.

BTW, the Swedish "rape charge" isn't a rape charge. They've yet to decide on how to label it. That's why he's wanted for questioning. Storm in a tea cup.

Let me rephrase your question. What are the chances of high flying pain in the government ass of being accused of something unrelated the actual pain in the said ass?

 

[credoconsolans]

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For the Trump supporters and conspiracy nuts, that pretty much just sealed their ideas that the Clintons have something to hide and Obama is rigging the elections because they're not letting the truth come out.

Hillary/Obama either threatened or bribed Ecuador to block Assange's email until after the elections.

I wonder why Assange left it until the last minute.

He had over a year to release this info but he waits until 2 weeks before the election? Guess the info isn't that important or he was waiting for 'sweeps week'.

 

[DrZoidberg]

For the Trump supporters and conspiracy nuts, that pretty much just sealed their ideas that the Clintons have something to hide and Obama is rigging the elections because they're not letting the truth come out.

Hillary/Obama either threatened or bribed Ecuador to block Assange's email until after the elections.

I wonder why Assange left it until the last minute.

He had over a year to release this info but he waits until 2 weeks before the election? Guess the info isn't that important or he was waiting for 'sweeps week'.

Don't agree. Ecuador letting Assange stay there is a political/diplomatic act. By taking him in they are taking responsibility for what he does. It's the same as bringing somebody to a party. Ecuador doesn't want to be seen as meddling in the internal politics of USA. That could be used as an excuse by USA for meddling in the internal politics of Ecuador. Nobody in Ecuador likes that. That's my analysis.

I think it's temporary. This is just until the election, and then they'll let Assange get on with it.

 

[Harry Bosch]

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For the Trump supporters and conspiracy nuts, that pretty much just sealed their ideas that the Clintons have something to hide and Obama is rigging the elections because they're not letting the truth come out.

Hillary/Obama either threatened or bribed Ecuador to block Assange's email until after the elections.

I wonder why Assange left it until the last minute.

He had over a year to release this info but he waits until 2 weeks before the election? Guess the info isn't that important or he was waiting for 'sweeps week'.

Assange is a tool for Trump and Putin. He's been leaking HRC mail in order to hurt her and get trump elected. So far, the big allegation has been that she said some nice things about bankers while giving a speech to ...... bankers!

 

[DrZoidberg]

Assange is a tool for Trump and Putin. He's been leaking HRC mail in order to hurt her and get trump elected. So far, the big allegation has been that she said some nice things about bankers while giving a speech to ...... bankers!

Assange is a willing tool for whoever leaks things. In the intelligence community "leaks" (ie feeds) have often been used to do damage and discredit opponents. All Wikileaks does is establish that the information is genuine. They don't evaluate what damage it can do, or to who. That's their thing. They're supposed to be above taking sides. And then they can't sit on dynamite, regardless if it means they're being used as a tool by nefarious intelligence entities.

Whether you agree or disagree with the mission of Wikileaks is another issue. But they're doing what it says on the can. Which it is what this thread is challenging

 

[Elixir]

All Wikileaks does is establish that the information is genuine.

How? Uncle Vlad sends them a bunch of emails, then what? Do they do their own hack to verify that what Uncle Vlad sent them is verbatim accurate?