Eliminating Qualia

[untermensche]

Nope, as Nagel points out that's called echolocation. Here he is saying it in the seminal paper you clearly haven't read. Again.



How like a zombie to not be able to conceptualise the difference between vision and echolocation, or recognise the unknowability of the latter.

You have no arguments.

Name dropping is not an argument.

Posting expositions from other people is not an argument.

If you can't explain what you are talking about you have no argument.

And you have no arguments.

Bats navigate quickly and accurately using sound.

That is not possible unless the sound somehow gives you information about your surroundings.

That is called vision. A different kind of vision than we have with our eyes, but a kind of vision none-the-less.

It is not called hearing.

And even if I accept the notion of the person you quoted that actually has ideas then we see vibrating air does one thing in a human and another in a bat. It is not a signal to create a sound.

You have a complete ignorance of evolution if you think an external stimulation can cause a brain to make a specific thing.

There is no connection between vibrating air and sound.

One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Sound is just an arbitrary product of the brain experienced by a mind that has a contingent evolutionary association with an external stimulation.

Only a zombie would confuse quoting with name dropping. As for the random redefinition of words, that's just classic zombie.

I note there's still no objective evidence that you have a mind. I'm still waiting.

Quoting with no ideas of your own is worthless.

I can only discuss ideas with people that have at least one.

 

[Subsymbolic]

That is great.

I have no doubt I do.

And any honest person who experienced what I experience would have no doubt either.

There can be no experience without something to have the experience.

Well that's exactly what a zombie would say. I note that there's not even an attempt to offer any objective evidence that you have a mind.

As I said I have to be dealing with somebody honest.

I have to be dealing with somebody who honestly says they experience many things.

Nope, still no objective evidence. Yet more proof that you don't have a mind.

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Only a zombie would confuse quoting with name dropping. As for the random redefinition of words, that's just classic zombie.

I note there's still no objective evidence that you have a mind. I'm still waiting.

Quoting with no ideas of your own is worthless.

I can only discuss ideas with people that have at least one.

Do I need to explain the difference between objective evidence and insults? I guess, to a zombie, it all looks the same: nothing.

 

[untermensche]

As I said I have to be dealing with somebody honest.

I have to be dealing with somebody who honestly says they experience many things.

Nope, still no objective evidence. Yet more proof that you don't have a mind.

I am Diogenes.

I have a lantern.

But I need an honest person.

Do I need to explain the difference between objective evidence and insults? I guess, to a zombie, it all looks the same: nothing.

Bad opinion you will not defend is not objective anything.

You have nothing to offer.

That takes a person with at least one idea of their own.

 

[Subsymbolic]

I am Diogenes.

I have a lantern.

But I need an honest person.

Do I need to explain the difference between objective evidence and insults? I guess, to a zombie, it all looks the same: nothing.

Bad opinion you will not defend is not objective anything.

You have nothing to offer.

That takes a person with at least one idea of their own.

As I'd expect, rather than any objective proof, it's just more gibberish. All I'm asking for is objective evidence that you have a mind. You clearly cannot give me any therefore you are a zombie.

 

[untermensche]

Is vibrating air a "sound"?

Did it force an evolving brain some way to make the experience of a "sound"?

 

[WAB]

 

[untermensche]

You haven't even heard the rest.

Do you claim that you do not have experiences?

 

[Subsymbolic]

Is vibrating air a "sound"?

Did it force an evolving brain some way to make the experience of a "sound"?

Nope, that's not evidence you have a mind. Face it, this doesn't even pass the Turing Test. All I'm after is a tiny bit of objective proof you have a mind.

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You haven't even heard the rest.

Do you claim that you do not have experiences?

All I'm asking for is objective proof you have a mind. If you can't give me that then I have to conclude you are a zombie. Can you give me objective proof you have a mind?

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You haven't even heard the rest.

Do you claim that you do not have experiences?

He's just giving me cartoon advice on how to kill a zombie. He obviously thinks I'm going to need it.

 

[untermensche]

You ask for an empiric answer to a logical problem.

You waste my time.

If there is experience there must be some thing that is capable of having an experience.

All it takes is honesty.

Do you have experiences?

 

[Subsymbolic]

You ask for an empiric answer to a logical problem.

You waste my time.

If there is experience there must be some thing that is capable of having an experience.

All it takes is honesty.

Do you have experiences?

Nope, once again not a shred of objective evidence. You're a zombie. I knew it. You admit it - 'a logical problem' - as in logical behaviorism, which, of course is all a zombie can have: behaviour.

 

[untermensche]

You ask for an empiric answer to a logical problem.

You waste my time.

If there is experience there must be some thing that is capable of having an experience.

All it takes is honesty.

Do you have experiences?

Nope, once again not a shred of objective evidence. You're a zombie. I knew it. You admit it - 'a logical problem' - as in logical behaviorism, which, of course is all a zombie can have: behaviour.

I ask for a honest answer.

A simple honest answer.

I know I experience.

I suspect other people have experiences too.

But you know how it is with people. Some are simple honest people.

And some are nagging morons that think they can demand things without presenting one idea or answering one question.

 

[Subsymbolic]

You ask for an empiric answer to a logical problem.

You waste my time.

If there is experience there must be some thing that is capable of having an experience.

All it takes is honesty.

Do you have experiences?

Nope, once again not a shred of objective evidence. You're a zombie. I knew it. You admit it - 'a logical problem' - as in logical behaviorism, which, of course is all a zombie can have: behaviour.

I ask for a honest answer.

A simple honest answer.

I know I experience.

I suspect other people have experiences too.

But you know how it is with people. Some are simple honest people.

And some are nagging morons that think they can demand things without presenting one idea or answering one question.

Sorry, asserting you 'know experience' is not objective evidence. Only a zombie wouldn't provide me with this simple evidence. Ergo...

Clearly no mind and no memory. How many quotes would you like of you asking for objective evidence? If you had a mind you'd be a hypocrite. Sadly you are just another zombie.

 

[untermensche]

So I am a zombie and you are what?

And what is your evidence of this?

Without a mind there is no knowledge of color or of sound or no knowledge of thoughts and emotions.

If there is experience there MUST be something that can experience. It is not debatable.

 

[Subsymbolic]

So I am a zombie and you are what?

And what is your evidence of this?

Wow, not only a zombie but a bot zombie, only capable of answering a question with a question. Answer it with objective evidence or you are unmasked as the zombie you are.

 

[untermensche]

So I am a zombie and you are what?

And what is your evidence of this?

Wow, not only a zombie but a bot zombie, only capable of answering a question with a question. Answer it with objective evidence or you are unmasked as the zombie you are.

Those words only have meaning to the faithful.

There is no such thing as a zombie.

That is some delusion you have.

It has no meaning.

That you keep saying it means absolutely nothing.

You have no point.

You are simply trying to evade my questions because you at least can see where they lead a little.

 

[Subsymbolic]

So I am a zombie and you are what?

And what is your evidence of this?

Wow, not only a zombie but a bot zombie, only capable of answering a question with a question. Answer it with objective evidence or you are unmasked as the zombie you are.

Those words only have meaning to the faithful.

There is no such thing as a zombie.

That is some delusion you have.

It has no meaning.

That you keep saying it means absolutely nothing.

You have no point.

You are simply trying to evade my questions because you at least can see where they lead a little.

Evade the question? The question is: CAN YOU GIVE ME ANY OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE A MIND?

I think you have dodged and squirmed enough. Time to prove it or admit you are a zombie.

 

[untermensche]

Those words only have meaning to the faithful.

There is no such thing as a zombie.

That is some delusion you have.

It has no meaning.

That you keep saying it means absolutely nothing.

You have no point.

You are simply trying to evade my questions because you at least can see where they lead a little.

Evade the question? The question is: CAN YOU GIVE ME ANY OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE A MIND?

I think you have dodged and squirmed enough. Time to prove it or admit you are a zombie.

I need an honest person who will answer simple questions posed to them.

Do you know of one?

 

[Subsymbolic]

Those words only have meaning to the faithful.

There is no such thing as a zombie.

That is some delusion you have.

It has no meaning.

That you keep saying it means absolutely nothing.

You have no point.

You are simply trying to evade my questions because you at least can see where they lead a little.

Evade the question? The question is: CAN YOU GIVE ME ANY OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE A MIND?

I think you have dodged and squirmed enough. Time to prove it or admit you are a zombie.

I need an honest person who will answer simple questions posed to them.

Do you know of one?

It's a simple question: can you prove objectively that you are not a zombie. It would be so easy if you had a mind.

 

[untermensche]

I need an honest person who will answer simple questions posed to them.

Do you know of one?

It's a simple question: can you prove objectively that you are not a zombie. It would be so easy if you had a mind.

I have no experience with zombies.

What are they and where can I observe one?

 

[WAB]

You haven't even heard the rest.

Do you claim that you do not have experiences?

Of course not! No one makes that claim.

I added the smilie horsie thing for comedic effect, since I think it's hilarious how anyone can spend so much time beating a...well...beating it, and continually beating it...