Everybody Outta the Pool! (or The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same)

[Jimmy Higgins]

I know the area.

It's a mixed race area.

The pool is private and part of the HOA.

The HOA requires that if you want a party on their premises, you have to sign up for it and get approval. There are all kinds of rules and legal responsibilities.

The pool is not part of that. You have to get separate permission to use the pool for a party.

I know because I once planned a party in an HOA right down the street from there.

The HOA allows its members to bring guests to the pool. Limit of two per member.

1) The HOA says they were unaware there was a party to be taking place on their property

2) The pool was not part of the original party. Some of the party members or party crashers (apparently it was advertised on Facebook, meaning anyone could show up), started jumping the fence and getting in the pool area. Members started passing their pool cards to their friends through the fences so they could get in. Some of the members took offense to this and an ugly argument got started that escalated. People ran to join, the security guard, overwhelmed, called the cops to break up the fight and rowdy partiers.

3) The cop asked the girl - you can see this in the video - to disperse 7 times. She did not.

4) Mother was asked why people at the party were breaking the HOA rules. She replied, "Everyone does it." As if that's a good reason to break rules yourself.

The cop was afraid of being overrun. He didn't pull his gun on the girl, he pulled it on the people rushing him to help her.

Could the cop have handled this better? You bet.

Should the kids have obeyed the cop? You bet.

Agreed, pretty much. I will say, would cops have been called if it were a bunch of white people, instead of black. Were the officers necessary in the first place? Who threw the party? HOA involved, fine the house that threw the party. Assuming no real damage is happening, is the huge fuss needed?

 

[Trausti]

Agreed, pretty much. I will say, would cops have been called if it were a bunch of white people, instead of black. Were the officers necessary in the first place? Who threw the party? HOA involved, fine the house that threw the party. Assuming no real damage is happening, is the huge fuss needed?

Yes, it is needed. The media has a diet of at least one sensationalist story a month and the SJWs are in desperate need to stay relevant. Don't oppress them with reason.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

So let me get this straight: we have multiple witnesses, including at least two african americans, who are on the record as saying the incident and cop's actions had nothing to do with racism. And yet the activists and "everything bad that happens to blacks is always racism" crowd insist this is racism. What gives?

The witness statements basically boil down to "It wasn't racism. It just LOOKED like racism because the out-of-control cops were only harassing black people."

 

[Frikki]

So let me get this straight: we have multiple witnesses, including at least two african americans, who are on the record as saying the incident and cop's actions had nothing to do with racism. And yet the activists and "everything bad that happens to blacks is always racism" crowd insist this is racism. What gives?

conflicting witness accounts?

Well. that has never happened before

Well Athena we take witness accounts for truth when they reflect well on the police and their treatment of brown people. We are libertarians and we want less government interference with white people

 

[Hickdive]

The HOA rules are irrelevant.

The lead up to the arrival of the police is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the behaviour of the officers on scene in reaction to the behaviour of the people they found there.

Did the officers behave in a proportionate manner? Clearly one doesn't and even his colleagues seem to move to restrain him when he draws his weapon. Interestingly, neither of them had perceived the approaching youths as a threat that required them to draw their weapons, even when they set off in pursuit.

Indeed, although it may or may not be that racism was the underlying cause of the officer's behaviour, how he handled the situation and reacted was inappropriate regardless of the skin colour of his victims. His position was untenable the moment he threw that girl to the ground, let alone when he produced a gun.

Anyway, you want people out of the pool? Chuck in an unwrapped BabyRuth. Surely everyone knows this?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The HOA rules are irrelevant.

The lead up to the arrival of the police is irrelevant.

I think it is all relevant as it applies to the context of the events. A number of things could have been done to prevent what happened. I keep hearing about how the teens should have listened to the cops. I saw a lot of kids sitting down as per the officer's orders (why they even needed to sit, I don't know). Why did the Police even need to be involved?

And I think the officer's reaction was appropriate... assuming this was a riot. It was a riot, right?

 

[dismal]

The HOA rules are irrelevant.

The lead up to the arrival of the police is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the behaviour of the officers on scene in reaction to the behaviour of the people they found there.

Did the officers behave in a proportionate manner? Clearly one doesn't and even his colleagues seem to move to restrain him when he draws his weapon. Interestingly, neither of them had perceived the approaching youths as a threat that required them to draw their weapons, even when they set off in pursuit.

Indeed, although it may or may not be that racism was the underlying cause of the officer's behaviour, how he handled the situation and reacted was inappropriate regardless of the skin colour of his victims. His position was untenable the moment he threw that girl to the ground, let alone when he produced a gun.

Anyway, you want people out of the pool? Chuck in an unwrapped BabyRuth. Surely everyone knows this?

Arguing the officer behaved badly is a different argument than everyone is racist. Everyone not need be racist for an officer to behave badly.

We need not push the narrative that this friendly and well behaved group of youngsters looking to have a nice refreshing swim encountered an inexplicably racist HOA policy which smacks of the historical segregation of pools, were assaulted by a racist security guards, called racist names by white suburban moms before being assaulted by said white suburban moms, who then called the racist police because of racism. Then when the racist police got there the immediately began rounding up the black people because racism and that one so damn near lost his racist mind due to the proximity of black people that he started doing pratfalls and barrel rolls on the ground and whipping his gun around, because you know everything everywhere is racism. All the time.

The only nonracist person these sweet young well behaved children encountered is that evil black witness who said this wasn't racism and he only gets off on the technicality that he can't be racist because he's black.

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The HOA rules are irrelevant.

The lead up to the arrival of the police is irrelevant.

I think it is all relevant as it applies to the context of the events. A number of things could have been done to prevent what happened. I keep hearing about how the teens should have listened to the cops. I saw a lot of kids sitting down as per the officer's orders (why they even needed to sit, I don't know). Why did the Police even need to be involved?

And I think the officer's reaction was appropriate... assuming this was a riot. It was a riot, right?

No bikers were shot so more of a brouhaha.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Arguing the officer behaved badly is a different argument than everyone is racist. Everyone not need be racist for an officer to behave badly.

We need not push the narrative that this friendly and well behaved group of youngsters looking to have a nice refreshing swim encountered an inexplicably racist HOA policy which smacks of the historical segregation of pools, were assaulted by a racist security guards, called racist names by white suburban moms before being assaulted by said white suburban moms, who then called the racist police because of racism. Then when the racist police got there the immediately began rounding up the black people because racism and that one so damn near lost his racist mind due to the proximity of black people that he started doing pratfalls and barrel rolls on the ground and whipping his gun around, because you know everything everywhere is racism. All the time.

The only nonracist person these sweet young well behaved children encountered is that evil black witness who said this wasn't racism and he only gets off on the technicality that he can't be racist because he's black.

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The HOA rules are irrelevant.

The lead up to the arrival of the police is irrelevant.

I think it is all relevant as it applies to the context of the events. A number of things could have been done to prevent what happened. I keep hearing about how the teens should have listened to the cops. I saw a lot of kids sitting down as per the officer's orders (why they even needed to sit, I don't know). Why did the Police even need to be involved?

And I think the officer's reaction was appropriate... assuming this was a riot. It was a riot, right?

No bikers were shot so more of a brouhaha.

Who said everyone was racist?

 

[dismal]

Arguing the officer behaved badly is a different argument than everyone is racist. Everyone not need be racist for an officer to behave badly.

We need not push the narrative that this friendly and well behaved group of youngsters looking to have a nice refreshing swim encountered an inexplicably racist HOA policy which smacks of the historical segregation of pools, were assaulted by a racist security guards, called racist names by white suburban moms before being assaulted by said white suburban moms, who then called the racist police because of racism. Then when the racist police got there the immediately began rounding up the black people because racism and that one so damn near lost his racist mind due to the proximity of black people that he started doing pratfalls and barrel rolls on the ground and whipping his gun around, because you know everything everywhere is racism. All the time.

The only nonracist person these sweet young well behaved children encountered is that evil black witness who said this wasn't racism and he only gets off on the technicality that he can't be racist because he's black.

- - - Updated - - -

The HOA rules are irrelevant.

The lead up to the arrival of the police is irrelevant.

I think it is all relevant as it applies to the context of the events. A number of things could have been done to prevent what happened. I keep hearing about how the teens should have listened to the cops. I saw a lot of kids sitting down as per the officer's orders (why they even needed to sit, I don't know). Why did the Police even need to be involved?

And I think the officer's reaction was appropriate... assuming this was a riot. It was a riot, right?

No bikers were shot so more of a brouhaha.

Who said everyone was racist?

Everyone is clearly not racist because the one neighbor is black.

But is it your claim that the white women by the pool, the security guards, the people who called the police, the white women involved in the physical brouhaha, the cop who pulled the gun, and the other cops, were not all racists?

If they aren't, how do we explain their actions in this incident involving this peaceful and well-behaved group of kids who just wanted to swim?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Arguing the officer behaved badly is a different argument than everyone is racist. Everyone not need be racist for an officer to behave badly.

We need not push the narrative that this friendly and well behaved group of youngsters looking to have a nice refreshing swim encountered an inexplicably racist HOA policy which smacks of the historical segregation of pools, were assaulted by a racist security guards, called racist names by white suburban moms before being assaulted by said white suburban moms, who then called the racist police because of racism. Then when the racist police got there the immediately began rounding up the black people because racism and that one so damn near lost his racist mind due to the proximity of black people that he started doing pratfalls and barrel rolls on the ground and whipping his gun around, because you know everything everywhere is racism. All the time.

The only nonracist person these sweet young well behaved children encountered is that evil black witness who said this wasn't racism and he only gets off on the technicality that he can't be racist because he's black.

- - - Updated - - -

The HOA rules are irrelevant.

The lead up to the arrival of the police is irrelevant.

I think it is all relevant as it applies to the context of the events. A number of things could have been done to prevent what happened. I keep hearing about how the teens should have listened to the cops. I saw a lot of kids sitting down as per the officer's orders (why they even needed to sit, I don't know). Why did the Police even need to be involved?

And I think the officer's reaction was appropriate... assuming this was a riot. It was a riot, right?

No bikers were shot so more of a brouhaha.

Who said everyone was racist?

Everyone is clearly not racist because the one neighbor is black.

But is it your claim that the white women by the pool, the security guards, the people who called the police, the white women involved in the physical brouhaha, the cop who pulled the gun, and the other cops, were not all racists?

No.

 

[prideandfall]

[YOUTUBE]www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM[/YOUTUBE]

 

[dismal]

Arguing the officer behaved badly is a different argument than everyone is racist. Everyone not need be racist for an officer to behave badly.

We need not push the narrative that this friendly and well behaved group of youngsters looking to have a nice refreshing swim encountered an inexplicably racist HOA policy which smacks of the historical segregation of pools, were assaulted by a racist security guards, called racist names by white suburban moms before being assaulted by said white suburban moms, who then called the racist police because of racism. Then when the racist police got there the immediately began rounding up the black people because racism and that one so damn near lost his racist mind due to the proximity of black people that he started doing pratfalls and barrel rolls on the ground and whipping his gun around, because you know everything everywhere is racism. All the time.

The only nonracist person these sweet young well behaved children encountered is that evil black witness who said this wasn't racism and he only gets off on the technicality that he can't be racist because he's black.

- - - Updated - - -

The HOA rules are irrelevant.

The lead up to the arrival of the police is irrelevant.

I think it is all relevant as it applies to the context of the events. A number of things could have been done to prevent what happened. I keep hearing about how the teens should have listened to the cops. I saw a lot of kids sitting down as per the officer's orders (why they even needed to sit, I don't know). Why did the Police even need to be involved?

And I think the officer's reaction was appropriate... assuming this was a riot. It was a riot, right?

No bikers were shot so more of a brouhaha.

Who said everyone was racist?

Everyone is clearly not racist because the one neighbor is black.

But is it your claim that the white women by the pool, the security guards, the people who called the police, the white women involved in the physical brouhaha, the cop who pulled the gun, and the other cops, were not all racists?

No.

So they are all racist then? I lack the ability many people here have to look into the hearts of people in youtube videos and online news stories and see what motivates them so I need help on this one.

 

[Hickdive]

I think it is all relevant as it applies to the context of the events.

What, specifically, in the HOA rules made the officer behave in the way he did? The officer's behaviour was in response to the people he encountered on scene and not in response to the rules. I doubt the officer new anything about the rules. I would be very very surprised if the police despatcher called him and told him a bunch of kids were breaking the rules at a pool.

The only context in which the officer's behaviour can be judged is he context of the behaviour of those around him at the scene. We can see how the people around him behaved and at no point did it warrant the level of restraint applied to the girl or the drawing of his weapon.

And I think the officer's reaction was appropriate... assuming this was a riot. It was a riot, right?

I saw a lot of shouting and screaming but I did not see anything being thrown, looting, property being damaged, etc. that I would class as a riot.

 

[Playball40]

I know the area.

It's a mixed race area.

The pool is private and part of the HOA.

The HOA requires that if you want a party on their premises, you have to sign up for it and get approval. There are all kinds of rules and legal responsibilities.

The pool is not part of that. You have to get separate permission to use the pool for a party.

I know because I once planned a party in an HOA right down the street from there.

The HOA allows its members to bring guests to the pool. Limit of two per member.

1) The HOA says they were unaware there was a party to be taking place on their property

2) The pool was not part of the original party. Some of the party members or party crashers (apparently it was advertised on Facebook, meaning anyone could show up), started jumping the fence and getting in the pool area. Members started passing their pool cards to their friends through the fences so they could get in. Some of the members took offense to this and an ugly argument got started that escalated. People ran to join, the security guard, overwhelmed, called the cops to break up the fight and rowdy partiers.

3) The cop asked the girl - you can see this in the video - to disperse 7 times. She did not.

4) Mother was asked why people at the party were breaking the HOA rules. She replied, "Everyone does it." As if that's a good reason to break rules yourself.

The cop was afraid of being overrun. He didn't pull his gun on the girl, he pulled it on the people rushing him to help her.

Could the cop have handled this better? You bet.

Should the kids have obeyed the cop? You bet.

Agreed, pretty much. I will say, would cops have been called if it were a bunch of white people, instead of black. Were the officers necessary in the first place? Who threw the party? HOA involved, fine the house that threw the party. Assuming no real damage is happening, is the huge fuss needed?

I think so. People are afraid of large groups of rowdy teens too.

 

[dismal]

What, specifically, in the HOA rules made the officer behave in the way he did? The officer's behaviour was in response to the people he encountered on scene and not in response to the rules. I doubt the officer new anything about the rules. I would be very very surprised if the police despatcher called him and told him a bunch of kids were breaking the rules at a pool.

If this incident is part of America’s long, fraught history of race and swimming then I think it's reasonable to assume swimming had something to do with it.

 

[Trausti]

What, specifically, in the HOA rules made the officer behave in the way he did? The officer's behaviour was in response to the people he encountered on scene and not in response to the rules. I doubt the officer new anything about the rules. I would be very very surprised if the police despatcher called him and told him a bunch of kids were breaking the rules at a pool.

If this incident is part of America’s long, fraught history of race and swimming then I think it's reasonable to assume swimming had something to do with it.

Pools are one of the White man's tools of oppression.

 

[prideandfall]

Pools are one of the White man's tools of oppression.

if it weren't for the lessons i've learned watching many many seasons of Survivor, i would find this incredibly racist.

 

[dismal]

Notice the difference in media coverage and racial attitudes on this other recent TX brouhaha between kids and police:

No mention of wrestling girls to the ground and sitting on them. No mention of guns being drawn when the kids did not cooperate.

Just stuff like:

“The police department was very nice to us and provided us with the correct paperwork"

"Police agreed to waive the fee of the permit, which normally would cost $150."

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/police-shut-down-girls-lemonade-stand-for-121207241667.html

 

[ksen]

Why is that local government interfering with muh free market?

Buncha socialists down there in Texas.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Agreed, pretty much. I will say, would cops have been called if it were a bunch of white people, instead of black. Were the officers necessary in the first place? Who threw the party? HOA involved, fine the house that threw the party. Assuming no real damage is happening, is the huge fuss needed?

I think so. People are afraid of large groups of rowdy teens too.

And cops have a very real reason to fear a bunch of people coming at them in response to what they did to someone. Such situations tend to turn violent.

I think the big difference here is in how people reacted when the cops confronted them.