Fake identity in Tinder, should it be a crime

[GenesisNemesis]

Gun control's not gonna work guys, but telling people not to lie definitely is.

*sigh* It's not about telling people not to lie. It's more about a case of fraud for which there should be legal ramifications. But I suspect you knew that.

People can lie on background checks too, which is one of the reasons people put forward for why background checks are useless. According to your proposition all we would have to do is make lying on background checks illegal.

 

[TSwizzle]

Gun control's not gonna work guys, but telling people not to lie definitely is.

*sigh* It's not about telling people not to lie. It's more about a case of fraud for which there should be legal ramifications. But I suspect you knew that.

People can lie on background checks too, which is one of the reasons people put forward for why background checks are useless. According to your proposition all we would have to do is make lying on background checks illegal.

That's not what I am on about at all and you know that. Thanks for playing, now jog on.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

People can lie on background checks too, which is one of the reasons people put forward for why background checks are useless. According to your proposition all we would have to do is make lying on background checks illegal.

That's not what I am on about at all and you know that. Thanks for playing, now jog on.

I'm simply pointing out a consequence of your proposition, but okay.

 

[Keith&Co.]

It's not about telling people not to lie. It's more about a case of fraud for which there should be legal ramifications.

But then won't the lawyers go through the plaintiff's online dating profiles with a fine-toothed-comb and point out every single lie, mistruth, omission, and slanted truth, to prove that the defrauded one was 'just as bad' and 'asking for it?'
At least convince the jury that two lying liars caught each other out, throw the case out?

Or the defendants will roll out the same tired defenses people have been using for forever. "It's not REALLY a lie, we haven't had sex in (weeks/months/years), so we're effectively divorced..."

 

[TSwizzle]

But then won't the lawyers go through the plaintiff's online dating profiles with a fine-toothed-comb and point out every single lie, mistruth, omission, and slanted truth, to prove that the defrauded one was 'just as bad' and 'asking for it?' At least convince the jury that two lying liars caught each other out, throw the case out?

They could defend it anyway they like I suppose. But right now, it's not a crime and Ms Rowe thinks it should be for various reasons.

 

[J842P]

But then won't the lawyers go through the plaintiff's online dating profiles with a fine-toothed-comb and point out every single lie, mistruth, omission, and slanted truth, to prove that the defrauded one was 'just as bad' and 'asking for it?' At least convince the jury that two lying liars caught each other out, throw the case out?

They could defend it anyway they like I suppose. But right now, it's not a crime and Ms Rowe thinks it should be for various reasons.

And Ms Rowe is wrong.

 

[TSwizzle]

And Ms Rowe is wrong.

You may disagree with her and that's cool but I believe she is starting to get some traction on this issue.

 

[J842P]

Shouldn't be a crime. Get over it, move on with life. Better yet, don't use dating apps.

She was duped into having a sexual relationship and she should just get over it ? Her point of view is that it is (or may be) a form of sexual assault. I think she has a point.

Yes, she should get over it, and be more careful next time. This is not sexual assault by any means.

 

[TSwizzle]

Shouldn't be a crime. Get over it, move on with life. Better yet, don't use dating apps.

She was duped into having a sexual relationship and she should just get over it ? Her point of view is that it is (or may be) a form of sexual assault. I think she has a point.

Yes, she should get over it, and be more careful next time. This is not sexual assault by any means.

How about douche bags face consequences for their frauds ? Her point of view is that she did not consent to having sex with a married man, she did not get the choice. Fair point I say. You may disagree, fair enough.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

How about douche bags face consequences for their frauds ?

Normally by "consequences" in a society it means wielding the power of the State (or Federal) government to prosecute, fine and/or imprison. Are you proposing to establish a State or Federal law against public lying and if so, what are you proposing the penalty should be? Should it be a misdemeanor or a felony? Should it be a small fine or a large one; minimal jail time or maximum? And how do you justify any of it, let alone enforce it?

It's one thing to hold people accountable when testifying in a court of law or to Congress, but quite another to impose a law that requires every citizen to tell the truth at all times when in the public square (however that is defined).

And, of course, what is to prevent someone from falsely accusing someone else of having lied to them and how do you propose that be addressed in regard to a standard of evidence or presumption? Does that mean we would necessarily have to allow everyone to record every conversation they ever have in order to both protect against lies as well as false accusations of lies?

See where this is heading? You are, in very real effect, arguing that we should point the loaded gun of State/Federal punishment at everyone's head all the time so that they only speak "the truth" (whatever that may actually be), while at the same time never have a private conversation with anyone without recording it.

All because some person didn't do a very good job of checking on the background of someone they found on a fucking dating app. Or, rather, a dating fucking app.

 

[TSwizzle]

Are you proposing to establish a State or Federal law against public lying

It's about fraud. There are already lots of laws regarding fraud and this is about a case in the UK.

 

[J842P]

Yes, she should get over it, and be more careful next time. This is not sexual assault by any means.

How about douche bags face consequences for their frauds ? Her point of view is that she did not consent to having sex with a married man, she did not get the choice. Fair point I say. You may disagree, fair enough.

Douche bags do often face consequences for their lies. Not all consequences in life must be meted out by the state. A fraud is a lie that has legal consequences. Currently, this is not a fraud. You are claiming it should be, but I see no good reason to give the state any more power in this domain. We should only have laws against lying in very specific circumstances, e.g. formal contracts, testifying in a court, etc. Why does this particular personal domain get extra protections?

 

[Toni]

Isn’t the default for anyone on tinder to assume everyone else on tinder is lying?

Seriously. No one is looking for an actual relationship—just hook ups. Why wouldn’t anyone offer as ‘idealuzed’ version of themselves as would get them laid as quickly and often as desired?

Many/most people date from a pool of extended friends/acquaintances where there is some degree of security in being able to check out the otherperson’s credentials...

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Yes, she should get over it, and be more careful next time. This is not sexual assault by any means.

How about douche bags face consequences for their frauds ? Her point of view is that she did not consent to having sex with a married man, she did not get the choice. Fair point I say. You may disagree, fair enough.

Douche bags do often face consequences for their lies. Not all consequences in life must be meted out by the state. A fraud is a lie that has legal consequences. Currently, this is not a fraud. You are claiming it should be, but I see no good reason to give the state any more power in this domain. We should only have laws against lying in very specific circumstances, e.g. formal contracts, testifying in a court, etc. Why does this particular personal domain get extra protections?

How about this for a consequence: the woman who was lied to tells this douchebag's wife what he did?

 

[TSwizzle]

Douche bags do often face consequences for their lies. Not all consequences in life must be meted out by the state. A fraud is a lie that has legal consequences. Currently, this is not a fraud. You are claiming it should be, but I see no good reason to give the state any more power in this domain. We should only have laws against lying in very specific circumstances, e.g. formal contracts, testifying in a court, etc. Why does this particular personal domain get extra protections?

I agree with Ms Rowe. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be a crime. Setting up bogus profiles with the intention of deceiving people out of something, anything is a fraud and if caught, there should be consequences for that. In the UK, there are laws under the communications act that this type of thing may fall under.

 

[J842P]

Isn’t the default for anyone on tinder to assume everyone else on tinder is lying?

Seriously. No one is looking for an actual relationship—just hook ups. Why wouldn’t anyone offer as ‘idealuzed’ version of themselves as would get them laid as quickly and often as desired?

Many/most people date from a pool of extended friends/acquaintances where there is some degree of security in being able to check out the otherperson’s credentials...

It depends. These app platforms are popular among certain groups. Tinder isn't the most explicitly about hook-ups. There are other dating app ideas that have different cultures as well. It's not uncommon to meet people in long-term relationships who originally met on Tinder.

Certainly, there are a lot of people trolling for hook-ups, but it isn't everyone.

 

[TSwizzle]

How about this for a consequence: the woman who was lied to tells this douchebag's wife what he did?

Ms Rowe feel that there should be legal consequences.

 

[TSwizzle]

Seriously. No one is looking for an actual relationship—just hook ups. Why wouldn’t anyone offer as ‘idealuzed’ version of themselves as would get them laid as quickly and often as desired?

Ms Rowe was looking for a relationship, said so on her profile and found a perfect match. Except the douche bag had set up a completely false representation of himself and mislead her.

 

[rousseau]

Isn’t the default for anyone on tinder to assume everyone else on tinder is lying?

Seriously. No one is looking for an actual relationship—just hook ups. Why wouldn’t anyone offer as ‘idealuzed’ version of themselves as would get them laid as quickly and often as desired?

Many/most people date from a pool of extended friends/acquaintances where there is some degree of security in being able to check out the otherperson’s credentials...

It depends. These app platforms are popular among certain groups. Tinder isn't the most explicitly about hook-ups. There are other dating app ideas that have different cultures as well. It's not uncommon to meet people in long-term relationships who originally met on Tinder.

Certainly, there are a lot of people trolling for hook-ups, but it isn't everyone.

Yep. AFAIK, there are regions where it's used almost exclusively as a dating app.

https://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith/dating-with-tinder.html

There is widespread confusion among men about what Tinder is even for. Is it for serious dating, or just for casual hook ups? The short answer is both: women use Tinder for a variety of reasons, varying from simply making friends (yes, seriously, and there's even a whole new "Swipe with Friends" section to cater to these types, in which you can match with groups of friends nearby) to casual hook-ups to dating with the intention of finding The One. People on Tinder use it for a variety of reasons! While Tinder started life as a hookup app, it's no longer appropriate to assume that everyone who is using the Tinder app is looking for casual sex — some really are just looking to extend their social network.

 

[Toni]

Yep. AFAIK, there are regions where it's used almost exclusively as a dating app.

https://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith/dating-with-tinder.html

There is widespread confusion among men about what Tinder is even for. Is it for serious dating, or just for casual hook ups? The short answer is both: women use Tinder for a variety of reasons, varying from simply making friends (yes, seriously, and there's even a whole new "Swipe with Friends" section to cater to these types, in which you can match with groups of friends nearby) to casual hook-ups to dating with the intention of finding The One. People on Tinder use it for a variety of reasons! While Tinder started life as a hookup app, it's no longer appropriate to assume that everyone who is using the Tinder app is looking for casual sex — some really are just looking to extend their social network.

Ah, I’m behind the times. I had only heard of tinder as a hook up site....