Florida Republican urges voters not to 'monkey this up' by electing 'articulate' black Democrat

[phands]

Fresh off 'monkey this up,' DeSantis forced to quit moderating racist Facebook group

Well, well, well....

Rep. Ron DeSantis, who’s busy claiming that when he warned Florida voters not to “monkey this up” by electing black Democrat Andrew Gillum as governor over him, it was a totally not-racist phrase that he uses all the time in all sorts of contexts (he doesn't). Now DeSantis has some more explaining to do about how a different racist thing also isn’t racist. DeSantis was an administrator of a Facebook group filled with racist images and comments—or, he was until his participation came to light and he had to quit the group.

The Facebook group, simply named Tea Party, has nearly 95,000 members, and users must join the group to post or comment. The banner for the group is an image of the Confederate, Christian and Gadsden flags flying alongside the flags of the U.S. and Israel. (It isn’t affiliated with the conservative group Tea Party Patriots.)
Members of the group have attacked Black Lives Matter and other African-Americans as “ghetto scum” and ridiculed the teenage survivors of the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., on Feb. 14. [...]
One member believed the violent far-right rally of neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 was a hoax, writing in a post liked by 1,600 users that the rally was “orchestrated by the left” to “destroy America.”
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A quick look at the group shows a cesspool of racism, misogyny, and general meanspiritedness (including lots of vicious jokes about the death of Sen. John McCain). DeSantis was one of 52 administrators for the group … at least until Wednesday, when his participation was reported right as he was trying to argue that “monkey this up” was not a racist dog whistle.
It took Ron DeSantis one day after becoming the Republican nominee for governor of Florida to show that he’s a flaming racist. We really don't need any more evidence—but chances are, he’s going to prove it again and again over the next 68 days.

The truth will out....he IS a racist scumbag...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...rced-to-quit-moderating-racist-Facebook-group

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, well, well....

Rep. Ron DeSantis, who’s busy claiming that when he warned Florida voters not to “monkey this up” by electing black Democrat Andrew Gillum as governor over him, it was a totally not-racist phrase that he uses all the time in all sorts of contexts (he doesn't). Now DeSantis has some more explaining to do about how a different racist thing also isn’t racist. DeSantis was an administrator of a Facebook group filled with racist images and comments—or, he was until his participation came to light and he had to quit the group.

The Facebook group, simply named Tea Party, has nearly 95,000 members, and users must join the group to post or comment. The banner for the group is an image of the Confederate, Christian and Gadsden flags flying alongside the flags of the U.S. and Israel. (It isn’t affiliated with the conservative group Tea Party Patriots.)
Members of the group have attacked Black Lives Matter and other African-Americans as “ghetto scum” and ridiculed the teenage survivors of the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., on Feb. 14. [...]
One member believed the violent far-right rally of neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 was a hoax, writing in a post liked by 1,600 users that the rally was “orchestrated by the left” to “destroy America.”
​

A quick look at the group shows a cesspool of racism, misogyny, and general meanspiritedness (including lots of vicious jokes about the death of Sen. John McCain). DeSantis was one of 52 administrators for the group … at least until Wednesday, when his participation was reported right as he was trying to argue that “monkey this up” was not a racist dog whistle.
It took Ron DeSantis one day after becoming the Republican nominee for governor of Florida to show that he’s a flaming racist. We really don't need any more evidence—but chances are, he’s going to prove it again and again over the next 68 days.

The truth will out....he IS a racist scumbag...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...rced-to-quit-moderating-racist-Facebook-group

#notalladministratorsofracistgroups

 

[phands]

Here are 5 of the most disturbing facts about Florida Republican candidate Ron DeSantis

The true depth of his racism is now beyond doubt.....

In Florida’s August 28 gubernatorial primaries, Democrats and Republicans both went with non-establishment candidates. Democrats, in a major upset, nominated Andrew Gillum, the left-of-center mayor of Tallahassee and an ally of Sen. Bernie Sanders (who campaigned for him) over centrist establishment pick Gwen Graham (daughter of former Florida Gov. Bob Graham). Meanwhile, on the Republican side, the nominee was Rep. Ron DeSantis, a Tea Party favorite, member of the House Freedom Caucus and far-right supporter of President Donald Trump (who has endorsed DeSantis). The Florida gubernatorial race could become a referendum on Sanders’ ideas versus Trump’s ideas, and DeSantis is way beyond conservative—he is extreme.

Here are five of the most disturbing things about DeSantis.


1. DeSantis Spoke at David Horowitz’ Anti-Islam Restoration Weekend


2. DeSantis Moderated Racist Alt-Right Facebook Group


3. DeSantis Hopes to Throw 1.7 Million Floridians of Health Care


4. DeSantis Thinks Even Paul Ryan Is Too Immigrant-Friendly


5. DeSantis Is an Unapologetic Theocrat

Each point is expanded upon at https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/5-disturbing-facts-florida-republican-candidate-ron-desantis/

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Thinking about this "monkey it up" comment, it reminds me of Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. Both were poor word choices, and both were exploited for political reasons to attack and label the speaker. I see no actual strong evidence that Obama was a misogynist when he said what he did, and I see no really strong evidence that this guy is a racist for saying what he said either.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Thinking about this "monkey it up" comment, it reminds me of Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. Both were poor word choices, and both were exploited for political reasons to attack and label the speaker. I see no actual strong evidence that Obama was a misogynist when he said what he did, and I see no really strong evidence that this guy is a racist for saying what he said either.

And the idea of putting lipstick on a pig is a common expression. Using it in a context where it's not really appropriate is a far lesser error.

While we refer to monkeying with things (which carries the explicit context of not understanding) I've never heard of monkeying it up.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Thinking about this "monkey it up" comment, it reminds me of Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. Both were poor word choices, and both were exploited for political reasons to attack and label the speaker. I see no actual strong evidence that Obama was a misogynist when he said what he did, and I see no really strong evidence that this guy is a racist for saying what he said either.

And the idea of putting lipstick on a pig is a common expression. Using it in a context where it's not really appropriate is a far lesser error.

While we refer to monkeying with things (which carries the explicit context of not understanding) I've never heard of monkeying it up.

It could be regional. Before Obama said it, I had never heard the expression "lipstick on a pig". I understood the analogy, but I had never heard that expression before. I have heard the expression monkeying around or throwing a monkey wrench in it, etc before. And had he said either of those I seriously doubt the reaction would have been different.

 

[Elixir]

I see no really strong evidence that this guy is a racist for saying what he said either.

Guess you didn't read Phands' post above, amirite?
No, he's not a racist "for saying what he said", he's just a racist.
But carry on - he needs all the apologists he can get.

 

[ZiprHead]

Thinking about this "monkey it up" comment, it reminds me of Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. Both were poor word choices, and both were exploited for political reasons to attack and label the speaker. I see no actual strong evidence that Obama was a misogynist when he said what he did, and I see no really strong evidence that this guy is a racist for saying what he said either.

And the idea of putting lipstick on a pig is a common expression. Using it in a context where it's not really appropriate is a far lesser error.

While we refer to monkeying with things (which carries the explicit context of not understanding) I've never heard of monkeying it up.

It could be regional. Before Obama said it, I had never heard the expression "lipstick on a pig". I understood the analogy, but I had never heard that expression before. I have heard the expression monkeying around or throwing a monkey wrench in it, etc before. And had he said either of those I seriously doubt the reaction would have been different.

According to wikipedia, the analogy dates back to 1946.

 

[Derec]

A: You are very purple.
B: No, I'm not! Because THAT GUY OVER THERE IS ALSO PURPLE!
A: I apologize, that definitely proves that you are not purple.

No. It's more like:
A: You are very purple.
B: No, I am not! THAT GUY OVER THERE HAS THE SAME HUE AND YOU DON'T THINK HE IS PURPLE.
A: That's fuchsia, and thus completely different! You denying you are purple is all the more evidence that you are purple, you purple bastard! You are just using bee-flashlights (visual counterpart of dog whistles, get it?) to hide your purpleness!!!1!11!!eleven

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

It's not tu quoque. It's pointing out the OP's double standard fallacy.

If your response to an accusation of racism is to accuse someone else of also being racist, then you are a racist. It doesn't matter if your counter-accusation has merit or not, you admitted to being wrong.

I did not accuse Biden of being racist. In fact, there is way too much baseless accusations of racism flying around.
It's not racist dog whistles that are the problem these days, it's racial tinnitus.

 

[Derec]

The true depth of his racism is now beyond doubt.....

[FONT=&]Here are five of the most disturbing things about DeSantis.[/FONT]


[FONT=&]1. DeSantis Spoke at David Horowitz’ Anti-Islam Restoration Weekend[/FONT]


[FONT=&]2. DeSantis Moderated Racist Alt-Right Facebook Group[/FONT]


[FONT=&]3. DeSantis Hopes to Throw 1.7 Million Floridians of Health Care[/FONT]


[FONT=&]4. DeSantis Thinks Even Paul Ryan Is Too Immigrant-Friendly[/FONT]


5. DeSantis Is an Unapologetic Theocrat

Each point is expanded upon at https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/5-disturbing-facts-florida-republican-candidate-ron-desantis/

At least three of four of these points are not even about race. Instead of posting Rawstory clickbait listicles, why don't you sum up what exactly makes him a racist?

 

[laughing dog]

Thinking about this "monkey it up" comment, it reminds me of Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. Both were poor word choices, and both were exploited for political reasons to attack and label the speaker. I see no actual strong evidence that Obama was a misogynist when he said what he did, and I see no really strong evidence that this guy is a racist for saying what he said either.

Why would anyone think it is racist to implies a black man is a monkey and that it is surprising he is articulate?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Thinking about this "monkey it up" comment, it reminds me of Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. Both were poor word choices, and both were exploited for political reasons to attack and label the speaker. I see no actual strong evidence that Obama was a misogynist when he said what he did, and I see no really strong evidence that this guy is a racist for saying what he said either.

And the idea of putting lipstick on a pig is a common expression. Using it in a context where it's not really appropriate is a far lesser error.

While we refer to monkeying with things (which carries the explicit context of not understanding) I've never heard of monkeying it up.

It could be regional. Before Obama said it, I had never heard the expression "lipstick on a pig". I understood the analogy, but I had never heard that expression before. I have heard the expression monkeying around or throwing a monkey wrench in it, etc before. And had he said either of those I seriously doubt the reaction would have been different.

A "monkey wrench" is a different thing, it's a tool and AFIAK has no animal association. I've got 4 of them in my wrench box, although I normally know them as crescent wrenches.

 

[Derec]

Why would anyone think it is racist to implies a black man is a monkey

But he did not imply that. You have racial tinnitus.

and that it is surprising he is articulate?

Are you saying that Joe Biden is a racist?

 

[phands]

In the UK, we call them "adjustable spanners"...the term monkey-wrench term seems to be US invention. The term was never known to be an insult of any kind.

The use of the work monkey, in fact seems to come from the nautical term for "a small light structure or piece of equipment contrived to suit an immediate purpose", which jibes well with my sailing days when we would fly a monkey foresail.

The old english expression "throwing a spanner in the works" is still used to describe a disruption to an existing structure or function.

All that aside, De Santis is a racist pig.....and if he wore lipstick it would be lipstick on a racist pig.

 

[laughing dog]

Why would anyone think it is racist to implies a black man is a monkey

But he did not imply that.

That is a fact not in evidence.

You I have racial tinnitus.

FIFY.

Are you saying that Joe Biden is a racist?

Ah, the old throw in a smokescreen.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Thinking about this "monkey it up" comment, it reminds me of Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. Both were poor word choices, and both were exploited for political reasons to attack and label the speaker. I see no actual strong evidence that Obama was a misogynist when he said what he did, and I see no really strong evidence that this guy is a racist for saying what he said either.

And the idea of putting lipstick on a pig is a common expression. Using it in a context where it's not really appropriate is a far lesser error.

While we refer to monkeying with things (which carries the explicit context of not understanding) I've never heard of monkeying it up.

It could be regional. Before Obama said it, I had never heard the expression "lipstick on a pig". I understood the analogy, but I had never heard that expression before.

So you hear men complimenting men on their looks often, but you've never heard the term "lipstick on a pig"?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

It could be regional. Before Obama said it, I had never heard the expression "lipstick on a pig". I understood the analogy, but I had never heard that expression before.

So you hear men complimenting men on their looks often, but you've never heard the term "lipstick on a pig"?

Not until Obama said it. Correct.

The former is less common than the latter in your community? Sucks to be you I suppose.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It could be regional. Before Obama said it, I had never heard the expression "lipstick on a pig". I understood the analogy, but I had never heard that expression before.

So you hear men complimenting men on their looks often, but you've never heard the term "lipstick on a pig"?

Not until Obama said it. Correct.

Interesting. In 2007, Senator McCain said this regarding presumptive Democrat Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's health care plan:

I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.

During the 2004 campaign, Cheney had this to say of Kerry's campaign.

You can put all the lipstick you want on a pig. But at the end of the day, it's still a pig.

Granted, you can't be expected to have heard these either. Then again, why on Earth are you the watermark now for what are common sayings in public? After all, if you had never heard that term, why should we care if you think another common term with racial imagery is understood by you either?

 

[Copernicus]

DeSantis has now removed himself as one of the administrators on the racist discussion board and is now claiming that he had no idea how he became one.

And here come those with the loud whistles that everyone can hear. Any guesses as to which candidate they are stumping for?

Racist robocalls mar Florida’s race for governor

TALLAHASSEE — A neo-Nazi group began bombarding the phones of Florida Democratic voters Friday with a robocall narrated by a person who mocks the party’s first African-American gubernatorial nominee, Andrew Gillum, in a black minstrel-style voice as jungle noises play in the background.

The automated calls were issued by the Road to Power, an Idaho-based white supremacist group linked to other racist robocall campaigns in Charlottesville, Va., Oregon and California, according to the Tallahassee Democrat, which first reported the calls and is the hometown newspaper of Gillum, the city’s mayor.

The Tallahassee Democrat further reported:

The Ron DeSantis campaign sent out a statement after news broke, condemning the robocall as "absolutely appalling and disgusting"

"And hopefully whoever is behind this has to answer for this despicable action. Our campaign has and will continue to focus solely on the issues that Floridians care about and uniting our state as we continue to build on our success," said Stephen Lawson, communications director for the campaign.

Of course. Why would the DeSantis campaign need to conduct such robocalls? He can just let his white supremacist surrogates and supporters spread that message for him. The important thing is that this garbage dominate the news cycles from now until election day. No need to talk about other things that might actually be relevant to a Senate campaign.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Then again, why on Earth are you the watermark now for what are common sayings in public?

Why would I claim to be that? I didn't, and I don't. I doubt you would say that you are such either.