Like being fixated on the belief that free will and causality are mutually exclusive, which is disproved by the free-will debunker's own logic, which offers nothing to show how free will must contradict causality. A strong case can be made for causality, or cause and effect, meaning that a phenomenon must have a cause, and it seems impossible to give an example of anything that is not caused by something else (even if the cause is not known), so we can always assume something must have caused it, whatever it is.
Yet why does that preclude free will, as the free-will debunker dogmatically insists without any reason? The free will makes choices, acting as a cause, while this free will itself might also be caused by something. That
x is caused by something else does not mean somehow that the
x doesn't exist.
So why is the free-will debunker blind to the alternative that the free will does exist and causes some things to happen and yet is itself also caused by something? Why does the anti-free-will crusader's cognitive filter go up and make this alternative invisible?
Nothing the free-will denier has to offer is disregarded by someone's cognitive filter. All the research cited to show that nerve impulses cause free will in no way undermines the normal understanding of free will as also a cause -- i.e., causing actions --
A causes
B and then
B causes C, etc. -- the normal pattern of everyday decision-making as people choose to do this or that, etc. It only shows that the free will making these choices is itself also caused. We can easily assume that something happens somewhere which determines the free will to be as it is, and also that this free will does its own influence on other objects to cause something to happen. This simple reality is what is made "invisible" by the anti-free-will fanatic's cognitive filter.
. . . and any and every alternative become invisible, thus disproving the very thing they believe in and argue for.
That's the free-will debunker, actually proving that free will does exist, by establishing that there are influences or causes which act on one's mind and consciousness and motor nerves, so as to establish the connection between the desire and the acts influenced by the desire, showing how something decided is put into action as a result of the decision-making process. Thus proving free will and refuting the free-will debunker's blind prejudice and dogmatic refusal to see any alternative.
Will is not free for the given reasons. Your conscious will is nothing more than a prompt or urge to act once the real underlying work for that specific action is completed.
No. Let's not obfuscate by combining "consciousness" and "will" unnecessarily. Separate them, in order to clarify. The consciousness is not a prompt or urge, but is passive awareness of something, of an object, of something perceived. Then the "will" also happens at some point, and might be an "urge" or "prompt" toward an action to take.
So "conscious will" might be an urge happening after the consciousness has given some input which then initiates the urge.
The urge can come later (maybe a second or two), after the consciousness happens. It does not matter what all the causes are which produce this urge -- the result of it is a free-will act as long as it happens after there is consciousness of it (and as long as coercion is not one of the causes).
It doesn't matter that there is the "real underlying work for that specific action" separate from the urge or the consciousness. That doesn't change the action into a NON-free-will act -- "that specific action" is a free will choice the subject makes, as long as it happens along with consciousness, or after the consciousness has taken place, so the subject knows what's happening, such as knowing what the action is that is taken.
You aren't giving any reason why "that specific action" is not a free will choice, as long as it is accompanied by the consciousness happening along with it.
Consciousness is an ongoing activity being generated and fed information by underlying information processing activity.
Yes, that agrees with my point, i.e., that the action is a free will act as long as it is accompanied by consciousness. That this consciousness is "generated and fed information" as you describe does not change this. No matter what generates and feeds the consciousness, still it is the case that any action chosen by the subject is a free will act as long as it is accompanied by consciousness -- which is "generated and fed information" as you say.
That is the agency of decision making and why - being unconscious information processing by neural networks - decision making is not 'free will.'
No, the decision-making is free will (selecting an option + consciousness), and the information is known by the consciousness, no matter how it's produced or processed. As long as the consciousness is there, receiving the information -- no matter what produced the information -- that action selected while there is consciousness is a free will act. Calling the information "unconscious" does not mean the subject is unconscious of the information, and calling the processing or the neural networks "unconscious" does not mean the subject was unconscious.
So despite something being "unconscious" -- the information, the processing, the neural networks, etc. -- regardless of that, the action chosen and taken by the individual who is conscious of the information and the action is a free choice, or is a free-will act. Nothing you've said shows otherwise.
Brain interpreter function:
''Experiments on split-brain patients reveal how readily the left brain interpreter can make up stories and beliefs. In one experiment, for example, when the word walk was presented only to the right side of a patient’s brain, he got up and started walking. When he was asked why he did this, the left brain (where language is stored and where the word walk was not presented) quickly created a reason for the action: “I wanted to go get a Coke.”
All this proves is that you can fool the subject. When a subject is being fooled by a researcher, being deceived by having probes inserted into the brain, etc., then it's true that you can fool that subject and create an "illusion" of a conscious choice. Maybe in that case it is not truly a free act, or a free choice. It's debatable, but let's just assume that when the subject's brain is being probed by a scientist trying to play a trick on the subject, this can then create the "illusion" of a free choice when there is no free choice really happening.
So what? That's not what is usually happening to us when we make our choices. There is no researcher probing our brains every day, in all situations when we make choices. Such tricks being played on us are not the norm. In fact, these cases are so rare as to be irrelevant to anything, other than to show that it is possible to fool us by artificially probing our brains.
This is interesting research, and it's OK for it to continue and for the scientists to do this all they want in order to learn more about how the brain functions. Maybe it has to be restricted to only subjects who volunteer to serve this role. But there might be much valuable information to learn from these probing experiments -- just not anything which refutes free will, which is what goes on normally, 99.999% of the time when our brains are not being probed by these scientists playing this deception onto the subjects.
Even more fantastic examples of the left hemisphere at work come from the study of neurological disorders. In a complication of stroke called anosognosia with hemiplegia, patients cannot recognize that their left arm is theirs because the stroke damaged the right parietal cortex, which manages our body’s integrity, position, and movement.
Let's assume the extreme: in some cases of stroke, the subject loses free will, maybe even permanently in some cases, and it's never recovered. Perhaps, though there's often reasonable hope of partial recovery and regaining normal consciousness and free will. There's no proof that free will is permanently canceled. Free will exists normally in humans, but it is subject to being damaged, and we can test any subject to determine if they have the ability to make free choices or if normal conscious choice has been damaged or destroyed (probably due to brain damage).
Such a test has to be much more than just probing the brain to fool the subject into having "illusions" of free choice. Just because such illusions can be artificially induced does not mean there has been brain damage or any loss of normal conscious ability to make free choices.
The left-hemisphere interpreter has to reconcile the information it receives from the visual cortex—that the limb is attached to its body but is not moving—with the fact that it is not receiving any input about the damage to that limb. The left-hemisphere interpreter would recognize that damage to nerves of the limb meant trouble for the brain and that the limb was paralyzed; however, in this case the damage occurred directly to the brain area responsible for signaling a problem in the perception of the limb, and it cannot send any information to the left-hemisphere interpreter. The interpreter must, then, create a belief to mediate the two known facts “I can see the limb isn’t moving” and “I can’t tell that it is damaged.” When patients with this disorder are asked about their arm and why they can’t move it, they will say “It’s not mine” or “I just don’t feel like moving it”—reasonable conclusions, given the input that the left-hemisphere interpreter is receiving.
OK, you can go on and on giving these examples of brain damage. But these false impressions happen only when there is brain damage, or in some other way there is an abnormal experience imposed onto the brain. Free will is the NORM, not the abnormal condition of the brain. It is the normal process of making choices every day, when you get up in the morning and do your normal choosing and acting on your choices.
You can produce the above bizarre results ONLY in abnormal conditions, such as in patients with damaged brains, or in patients having brain surgery, or other conditions where they are artificially fed inputs by researchers trying to deceive them -- which shows this is not about normal free will activity we all engage in every day. It can give useful information on how the mind functions, but it does not refute normal free will as something happening all the time in our decision-making.
A Real Test of Free Will
So can there be a real test of free will / free choice other than the above cases of brain-damaged patients or of surgeons inserting artificial probes into a patient's brain? There has to be at least a hypothetical test, even if there's no practical way to do it.
Such a test has to be done on a normal subject only, who is not brain-damaged and is not having a probe inserted into the brain.
Maybe in the future it will be possible to insert a "probe" into someone's brain as they are going about their normal activities. Probably not a normal medical object, but some kind of scan which can be done without any disruptive intrusion into the subject's body, something that's done without any change noticed by the subject, with nothing detracting from their normal experience. Maybe they would even consent to allowing this, but not knowing when it's being done, so they don't do anything different from their normal behavior.
In such a case of a normal healthy subject, engaging in the normal activities they do every day, could it be determined by the researcher that this person does acts which are not free will acts, such as we see in these cases of patients with damaged brains?
You have no case against free will until you can describe such a procedure, maybe in the future when the subjects can be "probed" while going about their normal activities and doing their normal actions and choices. You must explain what you observe about their choices that verifies that their choice was not free even though they did a selection process while having normal consciousness, including awareness of the choice and the action chosen and taken.
To prove your case you must show how the subjects make mistakes similar to the above examples of patients with damaged brains, believing they are at some location where they are not, or giving a reason why they raise their hand when you know the real reason is different than what they claim in a story they make up to explain their action.
When you can show such results as this with subjects in a normal setting of decision-making, then you might be able to demonstrate that there really is no free will, at least none in those cases. And maybe you can extrapolate that the same is true of all of us in our everyday decision-making.
You have to get beyond just proving that there are mechanisms in our bodies which cause movement. Just because there is a physiological mechanism behind our particular movement does not mean our behavior is not free or that we don't really make free choices. The "free choice" is the selected action happening along with the consciousness of it, which are verifiable.
Your claim requires a metaphysical spiritual essence as the meaning of free will which is unverifiable and unrelated to the normal "free will" term as we apply it in the practical world, where it refers to the normal process of decision-making we engage in throughout every day, not restricted to extremely rare special cases of researchers putting probes into our brain to try to trick us. Until you can apply your research examples to everyday experience, they are irrelevant to what "free will" is about.
The left-hemisphere interpreter is not only a master of belief creation, but it will stick to its belief system no matter what. Patients with “reduplicative paramnesia,” because of damage to the brain, believe that there are copies of people or places. In short, they will remember another time and mix it with the present. As a result, they will create seemingly ridiculous, but masterful, stories to uphold what they know to be true due to the erroneous messages their damaged brain is sending their intact interpreter. One such patient believed the New York hospital where she was being treated was actually her home in Maine. When her doctor asked how this could be her home if there were elevators in the hallway, she said, “Doctor, do you know how much it cost me to have those put in?” The interpreter will go to great lengths to make sure the inputs it receives are woven together to make sense—even when it must make great leaps to do so. Of course, these do not appear as “great leaps” to the patient, but rather as clear evidence from the world around him or her.''
Why are you omitting the most important part?
Why aren't you telling us what happened when they showed the patient the whole building, took her outside where she could see she was not at home? It's dishonest to give us only part of the story and omit the part that contradicts your theory. The reason you don't give us that part of the report is that it refutes what you're claiming, when the patient finally has to admit that her earlier illusion had been mistaken. Taking her outside, showing her still further evidence, even taking her home to see how far she had been from there -- all this is a necessary part of the test to determine if she could distinguish between the illusion and the reality. That we can distinguish between them is the proof that reality is the norm, and the illusions -- artificially induced free will and consciousness "illusions" -- are not the norm.
In fact, why is it that all these research examples you give consistently (and conveniently) leave out more tests which would show the truth conclusively? So far the evidence is that these examples are fraudulent, maybe even quackery, because of obvious testing which should have been done but was omitted. But you could prove otherwise by finally showing us an example having more follow-up tests to complete the experiment instead of leaving it incomplete, as all your examples are so far.
Our free will is about the norm, not about the artificially induced illusions which can be generated by means of damaged brains or by artificial probes inserted into a patient's brain.