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Game of Thrones - Season 8 (spoilers)

 
 
 
I think Daenerys pulled a Gandalf. She went high above the clouds and then came down in a ray with the direction of the sun. You could see the sun glare on the dragon for an instant only. Also, there was a bit of talk about attacking after daybreak which is probably why. It would have been great if all this were explained. But I am not sure this explains why every Scorpion was a failure...

The rest I think the main factor was surprise as they seemed to be waiting for a frontal assault. The Scorpions would be facing the wrong way.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
I think Daenerys pulled a Gandalf. She went high above the clouds and then came down in a ray with the direction of the sun. You could see the sun glare on the dragon for an instant only. Also, there was a bit of talk about attacking after daybreak which is probably why. It would have been great if all this were explained.

But I am not sure this explains why every Scorpion was a failure.
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Yes, any of this stuff would have been fine if they'd actually made a mention of it. No matter what lame reason they came up with would have been better than their choice to give no reason whatsoever and have her complete lack of ability to attack them from fifteen minutes earlier suddenly just go away. I get that it's a condensed season and they just want to move the plot forward, but they should still include a rationale as to how it moves forward as opposed to it just being in a new place.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
I think Daenerys pulled a Gandalf. She went high above the clouds and then came down in a ray with the direction of the sun. You could see the sun glare on the dragon for an instant only. Also, there was a bit of talk about attacking after daybreak which is probably why. It would have been great if all this were explained. But I am not sure this explains why every Scorpion was a failure...

The rest I think the main factor was surprise as they seemed to be waiting for a frontal assault. The Scorpions would be facing the wrong way.
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It would seem that attacking at night would have been a better idea. Can't shoot a dragon you don't see.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
I think Daenerys pulled a Gandalf. She went high above the clouds and then came down in a ray with the direction of the sun. You could see the sun glare on the dragon for an instant only. Also, there was a bit of talk about attacking after daybreak which is probably why. It would have been great if all this were explained. But I am not sure this explains why every Scorpion was a failure...

The rest I think the main factor was surprise as they seemed to be waiting for a frontal assault. The Scorpions would be facing the wrong way.
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I wouldn't try to rationalize it, the dragons are as vulnerable or invulnerable as the plot requires.
 
I wondered if she fried they entire city with the hopes of killing Jon, knowing full well they were there.

bilby said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
I think it is possible she didn't survive. They don't show her getting up from the ground... just her standing up. The horse just standing there seemed odd. However, surviving the fire (which burnt everyone to a char) could mean she has some Daenerys powers too. It is never explained how Daenerys actually has such an ability, I don't think. It'd be interesting if Arya is caught and "toasted" by the dragon, but when the flames are gone, she is left brushing some ash off her outfit.

But this might be grasping at straws for a decent plot twist... based on the recent past for GoT, she probably will just try to kill the Mother of Dragons.

Another Greyjoy (second cousin) shows up?

Ultimately, for Snow to take charge, it isn't enough to kill Dany. Her army is brutally devoted to her... and they had no issue killing civilians.
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The unsullied are clockwork soldiers. They don't have loyalty, they have an owner.

The rest of the army are going to be pretty pissed off that she decided to launch a strategic air strike against a city while they themselves were still standing in it, even if they are unmoved by the fate of the citizens and enemy forces who were trying to surrender at the time.
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Playball40 said:
I wondered if she fried they entire city with the hopes of killing Jon, knowing full well they were there.
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This would have required a modicum of thought about it on her part as opposed to her just randomly doing it for no motivation whatsoever.
 
marc said:
On the Scorpions..

Yes, they took out a dragon, when they struck in a surprise attack.

However, when expecting them, and ready to try and doge the shots, they are still a big threat, but not as much of one. Sort of like how a martial arts expert is easy to beat when you hit him with a club when he wasn't expecting an attack. When the expert is the one initiating the attack, that advantage isn't as great.

There is also a matter of how long they take to reload and turn. She still took a big, foolish risk in the assault, but I don't think there was any big change in the capabilities of the Scorpions.
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How does a naval force launch a surprise attack against a fast moving airborne target?

Are they now using 'over the horizon' scorpions??

As the Japanese Empire can tell you, it's a LOT easier for a small airborne force to spot a fleet than it is for a fleet to spot a small airborne force - and it's a lot easier for air forces to sink ships than it is for ships to shoot down fast moving aerial targets.

Even if we allow a lucky shot getting one of the two dragons, the other should have sunk the entire fleet right there and then. Which would have achieved the exact same result for the wider plot, without a glaring inconsistency.

Well, OK it would have meant no fight between Jamie and Euron. But frankly that would probably have improved the series.

Euron toasted by dragon in Ep4; Jamie no longer has to ignore multiple fatal wounds in Ep5 after a fight nobody cared about. Win-Win.
 
bilby said:
How does a naval force launch a surprise attack against a fast moving airborne target? .
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By setting up an ambush near their base of operations. They were not out in the middle of the ocean somewhere, they were next to Dragonstone, waiting for them to return. When politicians go to visit troops in combat zones the aircraft usually comes for a landing in a steep decent, without lights, to minimize the chance of being shot at.
 
marc said:
bilby said:
How does a naval force launch a surprise attack against a fast moving airborne target? .
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By setting up an ambush near their base of operations. They were not out in the middle of the ocean somewhere, they were next to Dragonstone, waiting for them to return. When politicians go to visit troops in combat zones the aircraft usually comes for a landing in a steep decent, without lights, to minimize the chance of being shot at.
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Sure. Against modern ships, with radar and rapid firing and/or proximity fused and/or guided AAA.

Wooden sailing vessels armed with scorpions are toast against a dragon in any strategic or tactical circumstances. And there's no way they could possibly achieve surprise.
 
marc said:
bilby said:
How does a naval force launch a surprise attack against a fast moving airborne target? .
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By setting up an ambush near their base of operations. They were not out in the middle of the ocean somewhere, they were next to Dragonstone, waiting for them to return. When politicians go to visit troops in combat zones the aircraft usually comes for a landing in a steep decent, without lights, to minimize the chance of being shot at.
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How did they have an ambush there anyways? I get that most everyone was away, but did Dany leave zero people at Dragonmount so that there was nobody there to bang a gong or light a signal fire to let her arriving fleet know about the evil fleet sitting there around the corner in easy view of the castle's windows? I mean, where was that girl Varys was working with and all her fellow servants? They didn't go up north to fight the zombies.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
marc said:
bilby said:
How does a naval force launch a surprise attack against a fast moving airborne target? .
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By setting up an ambush near their base of operations. They were not out in the middle of the ocean somewhere, they were next to Dragonstone, waiting for them to return. When politicians go to visit troops in combat zones the aircraft usually comes for a landing in a steep decent, without lights, to minimize the chance of being shot at.
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How did they have an ambush there anyways? I get that most everyone was away, but did Dany leave zero people at Dragonmount so that there was nobody there to bang a gong or light a signal fire to let her arriving fleet know about the evil fleet sitting there around the corner in easy view of the castle's windows? I mean, where was that girl Varys was working with and all her fellow servants? They didn't go up north to fight the zombies.
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and also per the logic of the show that means her and her fleet just fuck off to wherever with zero scouts or recon done before hand, she doesn't even do a high altitude fly over to check out the vicinity.
that attack only works if she flies in directly along the coast where the iron fleet is around the corner where she can't see them and she is flying low enough to be hit by scorpions and she just wings it around a cliff and blunders into them.
in which case, how the fuck did they see her, reposition the scorpions to their altitude, and fire without her or anyone in the fleet seeing them?

it's completely ridiculous physically impossible bullshit that only exists for the sake of the scene - which is pretty much all of game of thrones for the last 3 seasons.
 
You'd think that they'd take more care, considering the sheer popularity of the series and expectations of fans. What is it, incompetence? Rushing into production?
 
DBT said:
You'd think that they'd take more care, considering the sheer popularity of the series and expectations of fans. What is it, incompetence? Rushing into production?
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Wut? I thought the last episode was perfect. They delivered exactly what they should have done. Denaerys is turning into her father, as foreshadowed and expected, and everybody supporting her regrets it. Jon Snow was of course destined to become king, because he's the only person in Westeros who doesn't want to become king. This is how you create tension in a show. This is schoolbook writing of how to do it. It's the perfect drama.

Albeit on the rails now. They couldn't have written it any differently. I still think they pulled it off masterfully.
 
DBT said:
You'd think that they'd take more care, considering the sheer popularity of the series and expectations of fans. What is it, incompetence? Rushing into production?
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both.
one half of the showrunner team is the incompetent fuckwit that wrote one of the most abysmally god-awful movies of all time (x-men origins: wolverine) and is basically only in the business because his father is a goldman sachs exec and bought his way in.
GoT has a lot of production budget thrown at it but the people in charge of the show are dipshits.
 
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