Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[ZiprHead]

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

When the post starts with:

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Then yeah, your post is viciously anti-jewish.
Tom

Or, just ethically anti-infanticide.

What?
Who is making choices that result in dead babies in Gaza?
Tom

Israeli government and Hamas.

 

[TomC]

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

When the post starts with:

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Then yeah, your post is viciously anti-jewish.
Tom

Or, just ethically anti-infanticide.

What?
Who is making choices that result in dead babies in Gaza?
Tom

Israeli government and Hamas.

Only them?

Israel is responding to the violent attacks that have been taking place for decades. But somehow, you left out Iran.
Why is that?
Tom

 

[TomC]

You don't seem to recognize it when Muslims do it any more than Barbos recognizes it when Russians do it.
Tom

Hamas has no ability to commit ethnic cleansing against the Israelis.

No they don't.
That would take a much bigger part of the Muslim community.

Then why do you continue to claim Hamas is committing ethnic cleansing?

Hamas is working on a ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
Israel too, but they won't get far with that.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

When the post starts with:

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Then yeah, your post is viciously anti-jewish.
Tom

Or, just ethically anti-infanticide.

What?
Who is making choices that result in dead babies in Gaza?
Tom

Israeli government and Hamas.

Only them?

Israel is responding to the violent attacks that have been taking place for decades. But somehow, you left out Iran.
Why is that?
Tom

Okay. add Iran. What difference does it make?

 

[TomC]

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

When the post starts with:

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Then yeah, your post is viciously anti-jewish.
Tom

Or, just ethically anti-infanticide.

What?
Who is making choices that result in dead babies in Gaza?
Tom

Israeli government and Hamas.

Only them?

Israel is responding to the violent attacks that have been taking place for decades. But somehow, you left out Iran.
Why is that?
Tom

Okay. add Iran. What difference does it make?

Without Islamic money I don't think Hamas could have done the ethnic cleansing.
Iran is a major source of ethnic cleansing fundage.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

When the post starts with:

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Then yeah, your post is viciously anti-jewish.
Tom

Or, just ethically anti-infanticide.

What?
Who is making choices that result in dead babies in Gaza?
Tom

Israeli government and Hamas.

Only them?

Israel is responding to the violent attacks that have been taking place for decades. But somehow, you left out Iran.
Why is that?
Tom

Okay. add Iran. What difference does it make?

Without Islamic money I don't think Hamas could have done the ethnic cleansing.
Iran is a major source of ethnic cleansing fundage.
Tom

You've already conceded that Hamas is not engaged in ethnic cleansing in Israel.
Let me get this straight - you claim Hamas is engaged in  Ethnic_cleansing

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous.

of Gaza.



You do realize that Gaza is basically already ethnically homogeneous. So what on earth are you talking about?

 

[ZiprHead]

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

When the post starts with:

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Then yeah, your post is viciously anti-jewish.
Tom

Or, just ethically anti-infanticide.

What?
Who is making choices that result in dead babies in Gaza?
Tom

Israeli government and Hamas.

Only them?

Israel is responding to the violent attacks that have been taking place for decades. But somehow, you left out Iran.
Why is that?
Tom

Okay. add Iran. What difference does it make?

Without Islamic money I don't think Hamas could have done the ethnic cleansing.
Iran is a major source of ethnic cleansing fundage.
Tom

But even with the Iran funding you admit that Hamas cannot commit ethnic cleansing.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Israel too, but they won't get far with that.

What makes you say that?

 

[TomC]

You've already conceded that Hamas is not engaged in ethnic cleansing in Israel.

But even with the Iran funding you admit that Hamas cannot commit ethnic cleansing.

What makes you say that?

Hamas is engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

They've made a bunch of choices that has resulted in a terrible, untenable, situation for millions of people.

Iran and Qatar and people like that funded it. But it did happen.

That's the reality, whether it suits your narrative or not. Gazans are in a desperate way and it's because Muslim terrorists chose death and destruction. Israel is responding to the choices made by Muslims.
Tom

ETA ~Let me put this terms that most of y'all will understand.
Why are people like Trump and MTG busy destroying the US? Because it's advantageous for them, personally, right at the moment.~

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I don't necessarily agree with all of this as I'd have to research it in its entirety, but in the meantime I find it very interesting:

Benjamin Netanyahu Is America’s Worst Ally

The Israeli prime minister continues to insult the Biden administration, which has been the best friend Bibi’s besieged government can ever hope to have.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[laughing dog]

You've already conceded that Hamas is not engaged in ethnic cleansing in Israel.

But even with the Iran funding you admit that Hamas cannot commit ethnic cleansing.

What makes you say that?

Hamas is engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

No, they are not engaged in   Ethnic_cleansing in the generally accepted meaning of the word. It is more than inane to suggest that Hamas is trying to make Gaza ethnically homogenous.

Hamas incites Israel to choose to make horrific damage to Gaza and its civilians, but Hamas is not engaged in ethnic cleansing of Gazans.

Really, one can make a rational argument within making insane claims.

 

[TomC]

You've already conceded that Hamas is not engaged in ethnic cleansing in Israel.

But even with the Iran funding you admit that Hamas cannot commit ethnic cleansing.

What makes you say that?

Hamas is engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

No, they are not engaged in   Ethnic_cleansing in the generally accepted meaning of the word. It is more than inane to suggest that Hamas is trying to make Gaza ethnically homogenous.

Hamas incites Israel to choose to make horrific damage to Gaza and its civilians, but Hamas is not engaged in ethnic cleansing of Gazans.

Really, one can make a rational argument within making insane claims.

Are you saying that there is no ethnic cleansing going on?
I've heard current events described as "genocide", what's with that?

Bottom line though remains, Gazans are suffering horribly because of choices made by Muslims.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

You've already conceded that Hamas is not engaged in ethnic cleansing in Israel.

But even with the Iran funding you admit that Hamas cannot commit ethnic cleansing.

What makes you say that?

Hamas is engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

No, they are not engaged in   Ethnic_cleansing in the generally accepted meaning of the word. It is more than inane to suggest that Hamas is trying to make Gaza ethnically homogenous.

Hamas incites Israel to choose to make horrific damage to Gaza and its civilians, but Hamas is not engaged in ethnic cleansing of Gazans.

Really, one can make a rational argument within making insane claims.

Are you saying that there is no ethnic cleansing going on?

There is no ethnic cleansing by Hamas in Gaza. Not by the generally accepted meaning of the term (that I have linked twice - please educate yourself).

I've heard current events described as "genocide", what's with that?

There is no  Genocide under the generally accepted meaning of the term. People are using hyperbolic rhetoric - you know, like claiming Hamas is engaged in ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

Bottom line though remains, Gazans are suffering horribly because of choices made by Muslims.
Tom

Choice made by Muslims and Jews. Hamas did not do this all by themselves - Israel made choices as well.

 

[TomC]

There is no ethnic cleansing by Hamas in Gaza.

Choice made by Muslims and Jews. Hamas did not do this all by themselves - Israel made choices as well.

Israel chose to respond to the choices made by Muslims.
Muslims made the choices that resulted in the ethnic cleansing that is going on. And it is, Gazans are in a terrible position. Dying in droves.

It's inconvenient for Hamas and their supporters to end the disaster, so on it goes. Likely for generations, although it will be a long time before they can mount an attack like Oct 7.
Which is what Israel is after. Not peace, that's not possible. But an end to the ability of Muslim terrorists to launch more attacks for the foreseeable future.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

There is no ethnic cleansing by Hamas in Gaza.

Choice made by Muslims and Jews. Hamas did not do this all by themselves - Israel made choices as well.

Israel chose to respond to the choices made by Muslims.
Muslims made the choices that resulted in the ethnic cleansing that is going on.

Why do you insist in perpetuating the falsehood that ethnic cleansing is occurring in Gaza?

Muslims made choices that incited Israel to make choices how to react that is causing this terrible humanitarian tragedy.

 

[TomC]

Why do you insist in perpetuating the falsehood that ethnic cleansing is occurring in Gaza?

Be sure and correct everyone who refers to what is happening in Gaza as ethnic cleansing.
Okay?
Because I get tired of being told that there is ethnic cleansing going on there, by Israel.
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-optimistic-revised-hamas-proposal-may-break-gaza-ceasefire-impasse-2024-05-08/

U.S. pauses some weapons to Israel as battles rage around Rafah​

CAIRO/WASHINGTON/RAFAH, Gaza Strip, May 8 (Reuters) - Hamas said it was battling Israeli troops on the outskirts of the Gaza Strip's crowded southern city of Rafah on Wednesday after a U.S. official said Washington had halted a shipment of powerful bombs that Israel could use in a full-scale assault.

The United States, which is seeking to stave off an Israeli invasion of Rafah, said it believes a revised Hamas ceasefire proposal may lead to a breakthrough in an impasse in negotiations, with talks resuming in Cairo on Wednesday.

U.S. pauses bombs shipment to Israel amid Rafah assault dispute

The pause comes as the Biden administration pushes for Israel and Hamas to compromise and reach a cease-fire deal that would head off a large-scale assault on the city in southern Gaza, where more than a million Palestinians are sheltering in dire conditions.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Swammerdami]

First, let me apologize for losing my temper. I wrote things I should not have.

BUT sometimes it is EXTREMELY frustrating to "debate" here. TomC refuses to answer questions. And rather than admitting that he's too lazy to click a link that doesn't condone his own tunnel-visioned extremist viewpoint, he disparages the very idea of debate; for example:

Who are the "states determined to eradicate Jews"? Iran?

Take a quick at recent events.

Nevermind.
You're determined to avoid the reality.

TomC insists on seeing the War as Muslims vs Jews. This is NOT helpful. Most of us see the War as Evil Hamas vs the Evil Netanyahu regime.
Two wrongs do NOT make a right. It's difficult to take anyone seriously who cannot grasp even that much.

Tom, do you think Palestinians in Gaza are focused on religious conflict? I rather think they are more concerned about their hunger, lack of shelter, untreated medical problems, and the deaths of their loved ones. But to you they appear to be "Muslims! Muslims! Muslims!" intent on killing "Jews! Jews! Jews!"

Oh my. There you go again. YOU condemn all "Muslims" while falsely claiming that your opponents in this thread are bigoted against "nasty Jewish fucks.

Let me know when you decide to stop condemning all "Jews".

When did I EVER condemn Jews, let alone ALL Jews?

WHEN?
Let me know when you can point to such a post.

 

[TomC]

BUT sometimes it is EXTREMELY frustrating to "debate" here. TomC refuses to answer questions.

What you are referring to is my lack of interest in responding to mischaracterizing like:

TomC insists on seeing the War as Muslims vs Jews. This is NOT helpful.

and false equivalency like:

Most of us see the War as Evil Hamas vs the Evil Netanyahu regime.

Oh well...
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Why do you insist in perpetuating the falsehood that ethnic cleansing is occurring in Gaza?

Be sure and correct everyone who refers to what is happening in Gaza as ethnic cleansing.
Okay?
Because I get tired of being told that there is ethnic cleansing going on there, by Israel.
Tom

That's fair. I am tired of being told that whatever Israel does in the name of "security" is okay.