Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Loren Pechtel]

Since nothing I wrote on this excuses or explains terrorist activity, your terminology is misleading.

You found a bit of pedantry to hand wave the attacks Gazan leadership is perpetrating on Israel Today. Tom

Perhaps if you could provide a link to an actual attack on Israel today from Gaza,, it might lessen the irony of your baseless accusation.

I'm referring to the kidnapping victims and their family, friends, and government.

Also the Gazan civilians. The attacks perpetrated by the Muslim authoritarians (terrorists) that have control over Gaza are also attacks on Palestinians.
From the UN to the world media, Israel commonly gets blamed for the disaster in Gaza. But that's really not true and any rational person can see it.
Tom

It's the easy option. To see past the disinformation takes work. Same reason we elected The Felon. It was notable when some of the big papers didn't endorse Harris out of fear. It is completely normal for the world press to not report honestly from Gaza out of fear.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Currently, the Palestinians are suffering from lack of aid due to gangs seizing aid trucks. The odd part, Hamas apparently is powerless to stop the much smaller gangs. Palestine feels like the Middle East version of Haiti.

Currently, Palestinians are suffering because their Muslim leadership wants them to suffer.
Muslims could end this conflict. But they don't want that to happen. So they're going to continue it.
Tom

You keep making this about religion, this is political, not religious. Hamas can end the struggle immediately. They could enact measures that would allow Gaza to be opened back up. Well, until the next group arrives with funding. But peace isn't Hamas' mandate.

So we need to step back and reassess solutions, because Hamas has no intent to allow peace and ridding the Middle East of Hamas isn't possible. Which brings us back to Iran and the Arab nations.

But the keys must be under the Israeli streetlight! At this point removing the Iranian influence is impossible. And people don't like to accept that something is impossible.

 

[Gospel]

There must be greater recognition of the real human toll on both ends of this conflict. Innocent Palestinians, caught in the crossfire simply because they live in a combat zone or were born into this situation, deserve acknowledgment and compassion, not dismissal (because herp-derp Hamas). Behind every statistic is a person whose life was tragically cut short.

What you don't understand is that by taking this position you are aiding Hamas. They are using the suffering of their people as a weapon.

If you focused on the context of what I’m saying, you’d see that I’ve clearly explained how Hamas contributes to civilian deaths. I’m not discussing what you assume I am. I understand why you might make this mistake, as the complex dynamics between Israel and Gaza appear overly simple to you.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

there are a lot of people who demand absolute perfection

I literally said, 'I’m not expecting a perfect answer (none exist).' If you don’t want to answer the question, you’re free to ignore it. Your comment about there being 'a lot of people who demand absolute perfection' is just your opinion, I don’t expect perfection. Do I really have to defend opinions I don’t hold just to get a response from you? Are you sure we’re stuck on this because others are demanding perfection, or is that just a strawman you’ve created? I hope you're talking to me, not to others.

You keep saying this--but always expect Israel to do better.

Israel is already doing better than Hamas because Israel is not classified as a terrorist organization. Are you suggesting that Israel is not doing better than Hamas? If you genuinely believe I expect Israel to outperform Hamas, that would imply you think Hamas is somehow doing better than Israel.

I don't understand. You're objecting to the harm Israel is causing which would imply you think there's some better path.

 

[Gospel]

there are a lot of people who demand absolute perfection

I literally said, 'I’m not expecting a perfect answer (none exist).' If you don’t want to answer the question, you’re free to ignore it. Your comment about there being 'a lot of people who demand absolute perfection' is just your opinion, I don’t expect perfection. Do I really have to defend opinions I don’t hold just to get a response from you? Are you sure we’re stuck on this because others are demanding perfection, or is that just a strawman you’ve created? I hope you're talking to me, not to others.

You keep saying this--but always expect Israel to do better.

Israel is already doing better than Hamas because Israel is not classified as a terrorist organization. Are you suggesting that Israel is not doing better than Hamas? If you genuinely believe I expect Israel to outperform Hamas, that would imply you think Hamas is somehow doing better than Israel.

I don't understand. You're objecting to the harm Israel is causing which would imply you think there's some better path.

Be specific what am I objecting to?

Edit: With a quote please, your word is not enough.

 

[laughing dog]

It is serious. People are dying. Their deaths are completely unrelated to whether calling hostage holding an "attack" or not. But their deaths are directly related to whether or not bombs are dropping or bullets are flying.

Kidnapping is a crime regardless of when the victims are recovered. Nothing changes that. I

I realize that calling hostage holding an attack makes the supporters of Israel's current actions feel better. If your view is that these discussions are simply therapeutic that helps me understand the persistence in your emotional rhetoric and apparent need to fling bullshit accusations.

This is the sort of thing I'm referring to as "terrorist apologetics".

You might not care much about them or the people who care about them. But every single day of captivity is an attack on Israel.
Tom

Since nothing I wrote on this excuses or explains terrorist activity, your terminology is misleading. Either that is unintentional or it is a conscious attempt to emotional rhetoric to obscure the lack of actual thought and content in your responses.

The degree with which someone cares about the situation has nothing to do with accurately describing it. You literally have no idea how much or little I care about the hostages or their families.

If it makes you feel better to fling bullshit then I suppose it has some value in that therapy. However any therapeutic value it gives to you and those who feel the seem way is offset by the lack of credibility it lends to your responses.

And once again you respond with misdirection rather than addressing the point.

If you don’t understand a post, just ask for clarification instead of flinging a baseless accusation.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Holding hostages is not a form of attack.

George Orwell would be proud of your rhetoric.

"So what if we kidnapped your family members? So what if we continue to hold the kidnappees.
It's your fault that we are violent. It's your fault that we refuse to end the violence.
We're Muslim and You are Not!
Tom

George Orwell would not be proud of your insultingly stupid straw man argument.

Kidnapping the hostage is an attack. Holding the hostages is not.

Very keen on hair splitting aren't you.
If you could please detail the logic split between hostage taking being an attck byt retaining said hostages is not a continuation of the attack that would be most helpful.

Been there, done it, and it doesn’t appear to help.

Alright then. No answer.

No, that is an answer that you either don't like or don't understand.

Holding the hostages is a continuation of the crime, but not the attack. Just like the pain from a punch is a continuation from the punch but it is not the punch. It does not mean that the initial act was not an attack. It means its aftermath (depending on the outcome) is not necessarily an attack. That is my view. Either you understand or you don't. Which is different than approving of it or not.

I think your view on this is fucked up. I think you are bending over backwards to reinterptet Hamas crimes, so it'll feel better for you. This is serious. People are dying

It is serious. People are dying. Their deaths are completely unrelated to whether calling hostage holding an "attack" or not. But their deaths are directly related to whether or not bombs are dropping or bullets are flying.

Kidnapping is a crime regardless of when the victims are recovered. Nothing changes that. I

I realize that calling hostage holding an attack makes the supporters of Israel's current actions feel better. If your view is that these discussions are simply therapeutic that helps me understand the persistence in your emotional rhetoric and apparent need to fling bullshit accusations.

Lol "emotional rhetoric". Yes, I must be an overly emotional fop unable to control myself or see things objectively. Perhaps you think I am a weak minded woman?

I suggest trying to sound less patronising in the future