Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Arctish]

And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

Nope.
That would be Hamas and their supporters.
Tom

What sorcery is this that allows you to determine which children support Hamas and which ones don't?

 

[TomC]

And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

Nope.
That would be Hamas and their supporters.
Tom

What sorcery is this that allows you to determine which children support Hamas and which ones don't?

Who said they did?
Nobody I know of. This is just more strawman bullshit.
As usual.
Tom

 

[Arctish]

And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

Nope.
That would be Hamas and their supporters.
Tom

What sorcery is this that allows you to determine which children support Hamas and which ones don't?

Who said they did?
Nobody I know of. This is just more strawman bullshit.
As usual.
Tom

Oh, I see.

You are saying Hamas is bombing the shit out of Gazans.

That's either dishonest or delusional.

Meanwhile, in the real world: Rafah Is Gone. Razed to the Ground. And It's Not the Only City Wiped Out by the Israeli Army

The situation of Gaza is singular, Halevy points out, because Israel is leveling it without its residents having anywhere to escape to. "For three decades, Gaza has been a closed enclave, in which its people are imprisoned. In contrast to German cities in World War II, or to Aleppo in Syria, it's not possible to simply pick up and look for a haven. The consequence is a compressed annihilation experience from which there is no way to escape. The inhabitants of Gaza are locked into the noise of the bombing and are breathing the dust of the rubble."

 

[TomC]

You are saying Hamas is bombing the shit out of Gazans.

Nope.
More strawman bullshit.

IDF is bombing the shit out of Hamas. Hamas is using the Gazans Who Don't Matter as human shields. As a result, those people are suffering immensely.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

Nope.
That would be Hamas and their supporters.
Tom

Hamas is not bombing Gaza. Your statement is observably counterfactual. Persistent insistence of the counterfactual as fact is an example of delusional thinking. Arguments premised on delusional thinking cannot be taken seriously.

 

[pood]

And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

Nope.
That would be Hamas and their supporters.
Tom

Hamas is not bombing Gaza. Your statement is observably counterfactual. Persistent insistence of the counterfactual as fact is an example of delusional thinking. Arguments premised on delusional thinking cannot be taken seriously.

No, you see, Hamas supports bombing Gazans, so Israel is just carrying out Hamas orders.

 

[TomC]

Hamas is not bombing Gaza. Your statement is observably counterfactual. Persistent insistence of the counterfactual as fact is an example of delusional thinking. Arguments premised on delusional thinking cannot be taken seriously.

No, you see, Hamas supports bombing Gazans, so Israel is just carrying out Hamas orders.

Nope.
The usual strawman bullshit.

Hamas and their supporters built a ridiculously large military force. They deliberately embedded it amongst the civilian population and infrastructure. Then they launched an attack that is still ongoing.

That's why so many Gazans are suffering. Had Hamas and their supporters not chosen those policies and behavior they would not be suffering like that, and you know it.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Iran is striking back.

Iran has said that its retaliation on Israel has begun on Friday evening local time, according to state media IRNA.

Reportedly large explosions in Tel Aviv. We now wait to see the scale/effectiveness of the retaliation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well... wait and see that either they responded in a mild manner or they can't really strike Israel. Regardless, impact to Israel seems mute.

 

[TomC]

Iran is striking back.

Iran has said that its retaliation on Israel has begun on Friday evening local time, according to state media IRNA.

Reportedly large explosions in Tel Aviv. We now wait to see the scale/effectiveness of the retaliation.

I remember the last time Iran attacked Israel. It was the spring after Hamas' missile barrage against Israel.

I think Iran killed an Israeli parakeet or something. Terrible.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Hamas is not bombing Gaza. Your statement is observably counterfactual. Persistent insistence of the counterfactual as fact is an example of delusional thinking. Arguments premised on delusional thinking cannot be taken seriously.

No, you see, Hamas supports bombing Gazans, so Israel is just carrying out Hamas orders.

Nope.
The usual strawman bullshit.

. You admitted my observation is true in your post 8384. So once again, your response counterfactual.

Hamas and their supporters built a ridiculously large military force. They deliberately embedded it amongst the civilian population and infrastructure. Then they launched an attack that is still ongoing.

That's why so many Gazans are suffering. Had Hamas and their supporters not chosen those policies and behavior they would not be suffering like that, and you know it.
Tom

Most likely true.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Iran is striking back.

Iran has said that its retaliation on Israel has begun on Friday evening local time, according to state media IRNA.

Reportedly large explosions in Tel Aviv. We now wait to see the scale/effectiveness of the retaliation.

I remember the last time Iran attacked Israel. It was the spring after Hamas' missile barrage against Israel.

I think Iran killed an Israeli parakeet or something. Terrible.
Tom

Odd... you mock it, but it is Iranian support for Hamas that is causing a few more problems than their antiquated ballistic missiles which apparently cause more damage because of gravity than anything else.

 

[TomC]

. You admitted my observation is true in your post 8384. So once again, your response counterfactual.

I pointed out that your assertions are counterfactuals. IDF is not bombing Gazans. IDF is bombing Hamas. Lots of other Gazans are being used as human shields by Hamas and that's why they are suffering so much.

But Hamas still doesn't care enough about them to end the attack.
Why would they, they've got people like you and Thunberg to carry water for them and explain to the world that it's those darned Jews.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

. You admitted my observation is true in your post 8384. So once again, your response counterfactual.

I pointed out that your assertions are counterfactuals. IDF is not bombing Gazans. IDF is bombing Hamas. Lots of other Gazans are being used as human shields by Hamas and that's why they are suffering so much.

They are being bombed. The bombs are from the IDF. Both logic and the English language dictate that means the IDF bombs them.

But Hamas still doesn't care enough about them to end the attack.

Hamas cannot stop the IDF. Only the IDF can stop their attack. Hamas can give them cause to stop their attack. But why should they when people like you carry horseshit for them?

Why would they, they've got people like you and Thunberg to carry water for them and explain to the world that it's those darned Jews.
Tom

Your antisemetic words, not mine. Like it or not, justifiable or not, it is an incontrovertible fact that the it is the IDF dropping those bombs. Recognising reality is vital in such discussions.

One can defend Israel’s actions without resorting to inane counterfactual spin. Such unmitigated horseshit in your posts makes your position appear delusional.

 

[TomC]

They are being bombed. The bombs are from the IDF. Both logic and the English language dictate that means the IDF bombs them.

Why?
Your inability to reason enough to get to the fundamental points is the problem we're having.

Gazans attacked Israel and Israel is defending itself. Gazans are suffering.
Tom

 

[TomC]

Hamas cannot stop the IDF.

Especially not by launching more missiles (April 2025), and holding Israeli hostages.

Hamas could at least try to help the Gazans Who Don't Matter, but why would they? They've got everyone from the UN to Thunberg to you to keep blaming Israel for the results of their actions.

Why would the people killing Gazans stop when it's working so well for them?
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

They are being bombed. The bombs are from the IDF. Both logic and the English language dictate that means the IDF bombs them.

Why?

The bombs are loaded onto IDF planes, flown by IDF personnel, obeying IDF orders to drop them. Duh.

Your inability to reason enough to get to the fundamental points is the problem we're having.

Perhaps if you stopped posting delusional rubbish, those problems would not arise.

Gazans attacked Israel and Israel is defending itself. Gazans are suffering.
Tom

That is clear and distinct and it does depend on an idiotic assertion that Hamas bombs Gazans.

 

[laughing dog]

Why would the people killing Gazans stop when it's working so well for them?
Tom

Especially when people like you are cheering them on.

 

[TomC]

That is clear and distinct and it does depend on an idiotic assertion that Hamas bombs Gazans.

Lemme know when someone says that.
Tom

 

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