Georgetown Law professor is fired after saying black students are bottom of her class almost every semester

[barbos]

It turns out the student is not only Black and that the whole context of her "statistics" about Black people was surrounded by discussion of this individual, but he's the only Black person in her class.

It does not contradict her statistics. She only says that every semester bottom is usually occupied by some black student and this semester is no exception it seems.

I think people will learn not to have private conversations over zoom ..... eventually.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It turns out the student is not only Black and that the whole context of her "statistics" about Black people was surrounded by discussion of this individual, but he's the only Black person in her class.

It does not contradict her statistics. She only says that every semester bottom is usually occupied by some black student and this semester is no exception it seems.

I think people will learn not to have private conversations over zoom ..... eventually.

You are not getting it because you are snipping. Stop snipping. Go back and look at the video. Listen to the first sentences she was talking about an individual. Then, her "statistics" are in this context. She is saying there are good blacks and bad ones which by itself is an inappropriate comment to make. But even more than that, she is implying he is a bad one or the listener can make this inference. This is a privacy and racial lawsuit fuckup.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And the Mavericks defeated the Bulls today 107 to 92. The whites on the Bulls just underperformed today, while the blacks were very hot for the Mavericks.

 

[Trausti]

And the Mavericks defeated the Bulls today 107 to 92. The whites on the Bulls just underperformed today, while the blacks were very hot for the Mavericks.

Huh. Did the teams select players for the strength of their basketball skill or was some lesser criterion used?

 

[TomC]

And the Mavericks defeated the Bulls today 107 to 92. The whites on the Bulls just underperformed today, while the blacks were very hot for the Mavericks.

Huh. Did the teams select players for the strength of their basketball skill or was some lesser criterion used?

Haha.
I was trying to think of a way to ask about the NBA's affirmative action plan. How do they plan to make every team reflect the racial demographics of the USA?

But, I couldn't think of a way to do that that didn't appear drenched in snarkiness. I don't want to trigger anybody. So I just kept my opinions to myself, like a well trained white boy.
Tom

 

[barbos]

It turns out the student is not only Black and that the whole context of her "statistics" about Black people was surrounded by discussion of this individual, but he's the only Black person in her class.

It does not contradict her statistics. She only says that every semester bottom is usually occupied by some black student and this semester is no exception it seems.

I think people will learn not to have private conversations over zoom ..... eventually.

You are not getting it because you are snipping. Stop snipping. Go back and look at the video. Listen to the first sentences she was talking about an individual. Then, her "statistics" are in this context. She is saying there are good blacks and bad ones which by itself is an inappropriate comment to make. But even more than that, she is implying he is a bad one or the listener can make this inference. This is a privacy and racial lawsuit fuckup.

I actually do get it. She sounds totally racist.

 

[laughing dog]

And the Mavericks defeated the Bulls today 107 to 92. The whites on the Bulls just underperformed today, while the blacks were very hot for the Mavericks.

Huh. Did the teams select players for the strength of their basketball skill or was some lesser criterion used?

Now why would one think that question is relevant? Hmmm.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And the Mavericks defeated the Bulls today 107 to 92. The whites on the Bulls just underperformed today, while the blacks were very hot for the Mavericks.

Huh. Did the teams select players for the strength of their basketball skill or was some lesser criterion used?

Haha.
I was trying to think of a way to ask about the NBA's affirmative action plan.

Was the student being discussed a student because of AA? Must suck being black in Med or Law school, and there is this banner over your head of AA, regardless of your undergrad performance and achievements.

How do they plan to make every team reflect the racial demographics of the USA?

You are talking post racial integration, I presume. You know, after they decided to allow African Americans to play.

 

[ronburgundy]

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Little has changed since. They have been proven (including in court) to lie about just about every topic from energy policy to to claiming a single puff of marijuana causes schizophrenia. , and of course about the EU, Brexit and immigration issues where they always lie in favor of the white supremacist stance.


It was the first website that Wikipedia tagged as an "unreliable depreciated source" that is not allowed as a reference of factual information.

No one remotely interested in facts would ever cite the Daily Mail as a source, unless the point was to give an example of where lying white supremacists get their information.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Let's not jump to conclusions.

Was the instructor complaining, or just mentioning a true observation?
If complaining, was the complaint against the race, against the discrepancy, against the system that led to the discrepancy, against her own teaching competence, or against racism in general?

Are we simply assuming the instructor believes the lower marks were the result of racial inferiority?

She is first and foremost a professor, in this context. That is who she is expected to be. A professor at a university has an obligation to not accept those observations as worthy of mention. They serve no purpose but to reinforce "biases against", because the shape of that statement is very much a "bias against". It is a liability as an institution to allow the appearance of a failure of ethics because, and I don't understand why any conservative business minded person wouldn't understand using business ethics for the business of education, which people are trying to privatize anyway, is that the appearance of a failure in ethics IS a failure of business ethics.

No--they serve a very useful purpose. They show that something is wrong with the admissions criteria being used. This professor was fired for noting the Emperor's lack of attire.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Let's not jump to conclusions.

Was the instructor complaining, or just mentioning a true observation?
If complaining, was the complaint against the race, against the discrepancy, against the system that led to the discrepancy, against her own teaching competence, or against racism in general?

Are we simply assuming the instructor believes the lower marks were the result of racial inferiority?

She is first and foremost a professor, in this context. That is who she is expected to be. A professor at a university has an obligation to not accept those observations as worthy of mention. They serve no purpose but to reinforce "biases against", because the shape of that statement is very much a "bias against". It is a liability as an institution to allow the appearance of a failure of ethics because, and I don't understand why any conservative business minded person wouldn't understand using business ethics for the business of education, which people are trying to privatize anyway, is that the appearance of a failure in ethics IS a failure of business ethics.

No--they serve a very useful purpose. They show that something is wrong with the admissions criteria being used. This professor was fired for noting the Emperor's lack of attire.

Read the thread, don't derail it; she spoke on video about one of her students and then structured race talk in a way racists do in that context, even if unintended. His race is irrelevant to his performance. He is a student not one of "the bad ones." She left the video up two weeks. Think: if you were a university who had a professor that violated privacy laws and the outed communicationin appeared racist, what would you do? Your answer should not be one where you did not read the thread and respond with knee-jerk ideological "yabut affirmative action." Get it? What would your consequence be as a university and why? Think critically and be practical, not ideological.

 

[TSwizzle]

They have been proven (including in court) to lie about just about every topic

Are they lying now ? Did this incident not happen as reported in the Daily Mail ?

 

[TV and credit cards]

They have been proven (including in court) to lie about just about every topic

Are they lying now ? Did this incident not happen as reported in the Daily Mail ?

The video is available at ABC News as I am sure at other places. It can be watched without reading any article from the news organization providing it. Until such time as either professor comments, the video stands on its own.

 

[laughing dog]

Let's not jump to conclusions.

Was the instructor complaining, or just mentioning a true observation?
If complaining, was the complaint against the race, against the discrepancy, against the system that led to the discrepancy, against her own teaching competence, or against racism in general?

Are we simply assuming the instructor believes the lower marks were the result of racial inferiority?

She is first and foremost a professor, in this context. That is who she is expected to be. A professor at a university has an obligation to not accept those observations as worthy of mention. They serve no purpose but to reinforce "biases against", because the shape of that statement is very much a "bias against". It is a liability as an institution to allow the appearance of a failure of ethics because, and I don't understand why any conservative business minded person wouldn't understand using business ethics for the business of education, which people are trying to privatize anyway, is that the appearance of a failure in ethics IS a failure of business ethics.

No--they serve a very useful purpose. They show that something is wrong with the admissions criteria being used.

That requires data not in evidence. We don't know anything about this student's qualifications for admission. We don't know how this student has performed in other classes. We don't know anything about this professor's grading practices.

Your response assumes the black student earned the poor performance and assumes that the student was less qualified than the average student admitted to Georgetown law. Without any independent evidence, it appears your assumption is bigoted.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No--they serve a very useful purpose. They show that something is wrong with the admissions criteria being used.

That requires data not in evidence. We don't know anything about this student's qualifications for admission. We don't know how this student has performed in other classes. We don't know anything about this professor's grading practices.

Your response assumes the black student earned the poor performance and assumes that the student was less qualified than the average student admitted to Georgetown law. Without any independent evidence, it appears your assumption is bigoted.

If there's a racial pattern to anonymous grades you have a problem with how they got into the class.

 

[laughing dog]

No--they serve a very useful purpose. They show that something is wrong with the admissions criteria being used.

That requires data not in evidence. We don't know anything about this student's qualifications for admission. We don't know how this student has performed in other classes. We don't know anything about this professor's grading practices.

Your response assumes the black student earned the poor performance and assumes that the student was less qualified than the average student admitted to Georgetown law. Without any independent evidence, it appears your assumption is bigoted.

If there's a racial pattern to anonymous grades you have a problem with how they got into the class.

That is a big "if" with a logically flawed conclusion. However, we don't know there is anonymous grading in her classes. In fact, since part of the grade is based on class participation, we know that at least some of the grade is not anonymous. We don't know if the students who do poorly in her class have lesser qualifications than other students. We don't know if there is a racial pattern to her grades - while her comments focused on one black student and generalized about the past, I find it hard to believe that there are not white students who end up near or at the bottom of her class. Hell, we do not even know if the "bottom" is significantly further down than the average. Nor do we know if her class is not structured to be racially biased (though I suspect it is not).

There is way to little information for anyone to make an informed opinion as to what is going on here. So why the rush to defend possible racism or a kneejerk over-reaction on the part of the dean?

 

[J842P]

We don't know if the students who do poorly in her class have lesser qualifications than other students. Nor do we know if her class is not structured to be racially biased (though I suspect it is not).

How would a class be structured to be racially biased?

 

[laughing dog]

We don't know if the students who do poorly in her class have lesser qualifications than other students. Nor do we know if her class is not structured to be racially biased (though I suspect it is not).

How would a class be structured to be racially biased?

Assignment and/or test questions that put those with significant life experiences at an advantage (or disadvantage).

 

[J842P]

We don't know if the students who do poorly in her class have lesser qualifications than other students. Nor do we know if her class is not structured to be racially biased (though I suspect it is not).

How would a class be structured to be racially biased?

Assignment and/or test questions that put those with significant life experiences at an advantage (or disadvantage).

I don't follow. Can you give an example, even if contrived?

 

[laughing dog]

Assignment and/or test questions that put those with significant life experiences at an advantage (or disadvantage).

I don't follow. Can you give an example, even if contrived?

For example, I am under the impression that collard greens used to considered "black" food. If that was true, then the question "What is the best way to cook collard greens?" would tend to put white people at a disadvantage and black people at an advantage.

Or group work could be encouraged which might put some ethnic group at a disadvantage (or advantage) depending on the make up of the class and personalities/biases of the students.