Girls made to do all sorts of things because of their gender

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Let's look at some statistics.

1. 1 in 3 women worldwide have experienced physical and/or sexual violence in their lifetime.
2. Globally, as many as 38% of murders of women are committed by a male partner.
3. 200 million women and girls have experienced female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C).
4. Each year, 15 million girls are married before the age of 18. That is 28 girls every minute.
5. It is estimated that up to 10 million children are victims of child sexual exploitation.
6. School-related gender-based violence means that 1 in 4 girls say that they never feel comfortable using a school latrine.
7. Between 80 and 100 million girls are ‘missing’ from the world’s population – victims of gender-based infanticide, femicide, malnutrition and neglect.
8. As many as 1 in 4 women experience physical and/or sexual violence during pregnancy.
9. As many as 150 million girls worldwide are raped or subject to sexual violence each year, usually by someone in their family circle.
10. Over 700 million women alive today were married as children (under the age of 18).
11. There are 5,000 so-called honour killings reported every year around the world. Experts estimate that the actual number of “honour” killings is much higher.
12. 30% of females globally have reported that their first sexual experience was forced.
13. 58 % of new HIV infections among young persons in 2015 occurred among adolescent girls and young women. Violence or the threat of violence affect the ability of girls and young women to protect themselves from HIV.
14. Domestic violence is a global problem that affects 35% of women worldwide.
15. Globally, around 137 women are killed by their partner or a family member every day.
16. Women between the ages of 15 and 44 are at a higher risk of rape and domestic violence than cancer, car accidents, malaria or being injured in war.

https://reliefweb.int/report/world/16-shocking-facts-about-violence-against-women-and-girls

 

[Metaphor]

Whatever girls are subjected to disproportionately compared to boys, it is because of their sexed bodies, not their gender.

 

[ZiprHead]

Minnesota court rules rape charge doesn't apply if the victim got willingly drunk

The Minnesota Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that a man who had sex with a woman while she was passed out on his couch cannot be found guilty of rape because the victim got herself drunk beforehand.

The big picture: Minnesota is one of the many states that says that for a victim to be too mentally incapacitated to give consent, they must have become intoxicated against their will, such as if a person secretly drugged someone's drink, The Washington Post reports.

Context: Francios Momolu Khalil in 2017 picked up a woman from a Minneapolis bar and took her back to his home. The woman "blacked out" on Khalil's couch and woke up to find him allegedly sexually assaulting her, per The Post.

A jury in 2019 convicted Khalil of third-degree criminal sexual conduct. His lawyers appealed the decision saying that the charge was not applicable because that statute applies when the victim took drugs or alcohol without their consent, while the woman in this case had taken five vodka shots herself prior to meeting Khalil.

If a person is convicted of the third-degree charge, they could face up to 15 years in prison, pay a fine of no more than $30,000, or both.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Minnesota court rules rape charge doesn't apply if the victim got willingly drunk

The Minnesota Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that a man who had sex with a woman while she was passed out on his couch cannot be found guilty of rape because the victim got herself drunk beforehand.

The big picture: Minnesota is one of the many states that says that for a victim to be too mentally incapacitated to give consent, they must have become intoxicated against their will, such as if a person secretly drugged someone's drink, The Washington Post reports.

Context: Francios Momolu Khalil in 2017 picked up a woman from a Minneapolis bar and took her back to his home. The woman "blacked out" on Khalil's couch and woke up to find him allegedly sexually assaulting her, per The Post.

A jury in 2019 convicted Khalil of third-degree criminal sexual conduct. His lawyers appealed the decision saying that the charge was not applicable because that statute applies when the victim took drugs or alcohol without their consent, while the woman in this case had taken five vodka shots herself prior to meeting Khalil.

If a person is convicted of the third-degree charge, they could face up to 15 years in prison, pay a fine of no more than $30,000, or both.

Thank you, now this one makes much more sense.

Sounds like the court made the right decision given the incredibly fucked-up law. Legislature, fix this!!!

 

[Toni]

Whatever girls are subjected to disproportionately compared to boys, it is because of their sexed bodies, not their gender.

Not accurate.

 

[Metaphor]

Whatever girls are subjected to disproportionately compared to boys, it is because of their sexed bodies, not their gender.

Not accurate.

I understand your trans ideology needs this to be not true, but it is true.

 

[laughing dog]

Whatever girls are subjected to disproportionately compared to boys, it is because of their sexed bodies, not their gender.

Not accurate.

Of course it is not accurate. And there is no way for anyone to actually provide sufficient to support such a claim.

 

[Metaphor]

Whatever girls are subjected to disproportionately compared to boys, it is because of their sexed bodies, not their gender.

Not accurate.

Of course it is not accurate. And there is no way for anyone to actually provide sufficient to support such a claim.

I once spoke to a Judith Butler acolyte who believed that men are taller than women because boys are given more protein than girls. As deranged as this thinking is, if it were true, it would be the sexed bodies of children that the adults who control the food are using to decide who gets the protein, not the child's "gender identity".

Men are stronger than women not because they have the 'gender identity' of 'man', but because they have male bodies.

Women slough the lining of their womb once a month after menarche commences not because they have the 'gender identity' of 'woman', but because their bodies are female.

No man who has slapped a woman on the ass without her permission, or rubbed up against her on public transport without her consent, ever did it because of her 'gender identity'. He did it because of his attraction to her sexed body.

 

[laughing dog]

Of course it is not accurate. And there is no way for anyone to actually provide sufficient to support such a claim.

I once spoke to a Judith Butler acolyte who believed that men are taller than women because boys are given more protein than girls. As deranged as this thinking is, if it were true, it would be the sexed bodies of children that the adults who control the food are using to decide who gets the protein, not the child's "gender identity".

Cool story bro that cannot possibly make your point, since you have no idea what motivated those parents.

Men are stronger than women not because they have the 'gender identity' of 'man', but because they have male bodies.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

Women slough the lining of their womb once a month after menarche commences not because they have the 'gender identity' of 'woman', but because their bodies are female.

Thank you Doctor Obvious.

No man who has slapped a woman on the ass without her permission, or rubbed up against her on public transport without her consent, ever did it because of her 'gender identity'. He did it because of his attraction to her sexed body.

You have no clue whether that is true or not.

Now, the OP listed 16 things girls are made to do because of the gender. You offered a handwaved generalization which was not accurate. When someone disagreed with "Not accurate", you replied with the usual MO of some horseshit insult instead providing a reasoned non-pedantic argument showing why each of the 16 things were due to their sex not their gender.

 

[Metaphor]

Cool story bro that cannot possibly make your point, since you have no idea what motivated those parents.

All the parents in all the world since time immemorial knew the sex of their children. The concept of 'gender' applying to humans did not occur until the 1950s.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

It doesn't seem obvious to the people who want to put male bodies in female sports.

Thank you Doctor Obvious.

I'm not a doctor. I simply understand and remember things I was taught in year 6.

You have no clue whether that is true or not.

Gender identity is a thought inside a person's head. Sexual harassers cannot see thoughts; they can see bodies.

Now, the OP listed 16 things girls are made to do because of the gender.

The OP listed 16 things that happen to girls because of their sex.

You offered a handwaved generalization which was not accurate. When someone disagreed with "Not accurate", you replied with the usual MO of some horseshit insult instead providing a reasoned non-pedantic argument showing why each of the 16 things were due to their sex not their gender.

No: Don2 first made the assertion that it was due to gender, rather than sex, by titling the post the way he did. He did not offer any evidence that it was due to 'gender'. Indeed, the entire OP was a thinly veiled dig at my own recent post about the coerced apology from boys at a Victorian high school.

 

[laughing dog]

All the parents in all the world since time immemorial knew the sex of their children. The concept of 'gender' applying to humans did not occur until the 1950s.

Ah, the pedantic splitting of hairs to miss the point.

Gender identity is a thought inside a person's head. Sexual harassers cannot see thoughts; they can see bodies.

More pedantic hair splitting.

The OP listed 16 things that happen to girls because of their sex.

I quoted the title and you respond with more pedantic hair-splitting.

No: Don2 first made the assertion that it was due to gender, rather than sex, by titling the post the way he did. He did not offer any evidence that it was due to 'gender'.

All you have is pedantic hair-splitting.

Indeed, the entire OP was a thinly veiled dig at my own recent post about the coerced apology from boys at a Victorian high school.

Don2 listed 16 things girls are required to endure. Instead of addressing those things - all of which any decent human being would agree are truly awful or horrific - you decide to engage in petty hair-splitting because your ego is bruised.

To any other reader in this thread and to Don2, I apologize for feeding this pathetic pathology.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

To any other reader in this thread and to Don2, I apologize for feeding this pathetic pathology.

Apology certainly accepted.

 

[Metaphor]

Ah, the pedantic splitting of hairs to miss the point.

The point of the thread was to take a jab at me.

More pedantic hair splitting.
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Don2 listed 16 things girls are required to endure. Instead of addressing those things - all of which any decent human being would agree are truly awful or horrific - you decide to engage in petty hair-splitting because your ego is bruised.

There is nothing to engage. Don2 isn't interested in discussing any of them, which is why he posted a list and never returned to it.

But if, as you say, the list shows that some awful things happen to women, then to have hope of addressing any of them, the correct etiology must be discovered. To pretend that female genital mutilation happens because of the gender identity of the victim is insanity, and helps nobody, and solves nothing.

If Don2 had instead said "I was careless with my heading, I just used 'sex' and 'gender' interchangeably and shouldn't have", that would be one thing. But no - the usual suspects doubled down and insisted on defiance.

Get help.

 

[Derec]

[*]Globally, as many as 38% of murders of women are committed by a male partner.

Women also often murder their male partners. And they usually get a lot of sympathy/support on this forum.

[*]200 million women and girls have experienced female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C).

Usually by other women.
Also, far more boys suffer male genital mutilation. FGM is illegal in most places, unlike MGM.

[*]Each year, 15 million girls are married before the age of 18. That is 28 girls every minute.

Usually in Islamic countries like Yemen or Gaza. The Left has a soft spot for Islam for some reason, and wants to see much more Islamic migration into the West.

[*]It is estimated that up to 10 million children are victims of child sexual exploitation.

Children, this says. So not just female children.

[*]There are 5,000 so-called honour killings reported every year around the world. Experts estimate that the actual number of “honour” killings is much higher.

Another mostly Islamic thing. Also, men and boys can and are often victims of honor killings - it is not an exclusively female thing.

[*]58 % of new HIV infections among young persons in 2015 occurred among adolescent girls and young women.

That is actually close to half. Note that there are physiological reasons why it is more likely for a man to pass HIV to a woman during intercourse than vice versa.
Therefore, this number doesn't really have anything to do with discrimination against females.

[*]Domestic violence is a global problem that affects 35% of women worldwide.

Women are also often perpetrators of domestic violence.

[*]Women between the ages of 15 and 44 are at a higher risk of rape and domestic violence than cancer, car accidents, malaria or being injured in war.

But that's mostly because these other things listed are very unlikely in that age group. And being injured in a war is mostly a risk for men, not women. Which is another way life is much more dangerous for men, but the society mostly cares about dangers women face.

 

[Derec]

Minnesota court rules rape charge doesn't apply if the victim got willingly drunk

How does this apply to this thread? The law applies equally to men who got willingly drunk and to women who got willingly drunk.

Also, the article is a mess. Was she passed out or blacked out? The article treats these terms interchangeably, when in reality they mean very different things.

 

[Swammerdami]

Ah, the pedantic splitting of hairs to miss the point.


More pedantic hair splitting.

The OP listed 16 things that happen to girls because of their sex.

I quoted the title and you respond with more pedantic hair-splitting.

No: Don2 first made the assertion that it was due to gender, rather than sex, by titling the post the way he did. He did not offer any evidence that it was due to 'gender'.

All you have is pedantic hair-splitting.

Indeed, the entire OP was a thinly veiled dig at my own recent post about the coerced apology from boys at a Victorian high school.

Don2 listed 16 things girls are required to endure. Instead of addressing those things - all of which any decent human being would agree are truly awful or horrific - you decide to engage in petty hair-splitting because your ego is bruised.

To any other reader in this thread and to Don2, I apologize for feeding this pathetic pathology.

You're right that Metaphor's post wouldn't have appeared for me until you quoted them, but don't apologize to me. I'm intrigued to try to deduce what in tarnation has Metaphor so upset.

AFAICT, the thread is about Hundreds of Millions of girls and women who are abused because they are females. And Metaphor wants to divert attention ... to what? To the few Archie Bunkers and Trumpist morons who rant on YouTube or Parler or donjr.com about their bitterness at being asked to share a bathroom with a transsexual??

PLEASE tell me I'm missing something major. If Metaphor has no point here beyond feeding on such homophobic hatred and ignorance, he deserves great pity.

 

[Metaphor]

Ah, the pedantic splitting of hairs to miss the point.


More pedantic hair splitting.
I quoted the title and you respond with more pedantic hair-splitting.

All you have is pedantic hair-splitting.

Indeed, the entire OP was a thinly veiled dig at my own recent post about the coerced apology from boys at a Victorian high school.

Don2 listed 16 things girls are required to endure. Instead of addressing those things - all of which any decent human being would agree are truly awful or horrific - you decide to engage in petty hair-splitting because your ego is bruised.

To any other reader in this thread and to Don2, I apologize for feeding this pathetic pathology.

You're right that Metaphor's post wouldn't have appeared for me until you quoted them, but don't apologize to me. I'm intrigued to try to deduce what in tarnation has Metaphor so upset.

AFAICT, the thread is about Hundreds of Millions of girls and women who are abused because they are females. And Metaphor wants to divert attention ... to what? To the few Archie Bunkers and Trumpist morons who rant on YouTube or Parler or donjr.com about their bitterness at being asked to share a bathroom with a transsexual??

PLEASE tell me I'm missing something major. If Metaphor has no point here beyond feeding on such homophobic hatred and ignorance, he deserves great pity.

It's fascinating to read what people who have me on 'ignore' believe me to be writing. Even more deliciously, Swammerdami repeats the very point I was making - that where girls and women have more negative outcomes compared to boys or men, it is because they are female, not because they have a 'gender identity' of 'woman'.

 

[ZiprHead]

Minnesota court rules rape charge doesn't apply if the victim got willingly drunk

How does this apply to this thread? The law applies equally to men who got willingly drunk and to women who got willingly drunk.

Also, the article is a mess. Was she passed out or blacked out? The article treats these terms interchangeably, when in reality they mean very different things.

Because this is an issue that will primarily affect women. This should be obvious. Your other quibbles are just stupid ways to introduce rape apologia.

 

[TomC]

Minnesota court rules rape charge doesn't apply if the victim got willingly drunk

How does this apply to this thread? The law applies equally to men who got willingly drunk and to women who got willingly drunk.

Also, the article is a mess. Was she passed out or blacked out? The article treats these terms interchangeably, when in reality they mean very different things.

Because this is an issue that will primarily affect women. This should be obvious. Your other quibbles are just stupid ways to introduce rape apologia.

Why does it seem that, usually, getting drunk absolves women from responsibility for decisions like this,
but not men?

I do not know what happened in this particular case, nor do I want to know. It's not what I'm talking about, it's more of a derail it seems to me.

I'm talking in general terms.

But the bare bones of this incident appears to be a drunk chick went home with a guy from a bar and had sex. She was too drunk to remember to change her mind about having sex. He was probably drunk too.
Somehow, her alcohol consumption makes this his fault.

Tom

 

[Swammerdami]

I sometimes click View Post when someone is obviously responding to me.

It's fascinating to read what people who have me on 'ignore' believe me to be writing. Even more deliciously, Swammerdami repeats the very point I was making - that where girls and women have more negative outcomes compared to boys or men, it is because they are female, not because they have a 'gender identity' of 'woman'.

"Deliciously"? Is your bigoted right-wing bluster all some recreation for you?

But you continue to ignore the obvious. Let me try to express this very very simply for you.

I'm not sure how many "females" have a "gender identity of woman" or vice versa, but I think it is upwards of 99.99% in either case.

OP is about the hundreds of millions of women with bad outcomes because they're female; let's round that down to a mere 100 million.

Then you pop in, wanting to ignore 99,990,000 women that OP is concerned with, just to make some pointless rant about transsexuals. Why?

On top of that, there are plenty of individuals born male with a "gender identity of woman" who do have negative outcomes because of their gender identity, so your stupid point isn't even valid.

Hope this helps.