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Giuliani: Trump reimbursed Cohen for $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels

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Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) said Wednesday that President Trump reimbursed his personal attorney Michael Cohen the $130,000 paid to adult-film star Stormy Daniels to stay quiet about their alleged affair.

Giuliani, who recently joined Trump’s legal team, told Fox News’s Sean Hannity that the payment was “perfectly legal” and was “not campaign money,” meaning the arrangement didn’t violate campaign finance law.

“It's not campaign money. No campaign finance violation. They funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it,” Giuliani said.

"He didn’t know about the specifics of it as far as I know, but he did know about the general arrangement, that Michael would take care of things like this," he said.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...t-to-stormy-daniels?__twitter_impression=true

Wow, if they're admitting to this, then there must be way worse they are not admitting to.
 
If that's true, and Trump paid Cohen out of his own pocket, that would let Cohen off the hook. But is something that the candidate himself pays still a "in-kind campaign contribution", or is there some exception for the candidate himself to spend his own money as he pleases without needing to report it to FEC?
 
Jayjay said:
If that's true, and Trump paid Cohen out of his own pocket, that would let Cohen off the hook.
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That's the only possible thing that approaches what might be considered "plausible."

But can Trump prove it with bank records? Until he's made to produce them, the bullshit works.

Classic Trump; staying half a step ahead of the junkyard dobermans snapping at his ankles.

That must be what his entire life strategy has become; beating the clock. Keep it all at bay until he fucking drops dead. If he can do it, he wins.
 
Jayjay said:
If that's true, and Trump paid Cohen out of his own pocket, that would let Cohen off the hook.
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But, IF the purpose of the payment was to silence her to help Trump get elected, then it doesn't matter where the money came from, right? Because that would make it explicitly a campaign outlay of funds, no matter what account it came from.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Jayjay said:
If that's true, and Trump paid Cohen out of his own pocket, that would let Cohen off the hook.
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But, IF the purpose of the payment was to silence her to help Trump get elected, then it doesn't matter where the money came from, right? Because that would make it explicitly a campaign outlay of funds, no matter what account it came from.
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Additionally, if Trump was reimbursing him then Cohen lied when filling out the loan information for this payment, so he's guilty of bank fraud. If the payment to Cohen was set in such a way that it was repaid in multiple small amounts to avoid the transaction being large enough to warrant reporting, that's another financial crime called structuring.

Basically, Giuliani screwed everybody with that comment.
 
Trump took to Twitter Thursday morning to affirm Giuliani's claims, posting that Cohen "received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA."

Trump called such agreements "very common among celebrities and people of wealth," adding that, "in this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels)."
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...ohen-s-130-000-payment-stormy-daniels-n870951

Apparently, Giuliani is hired as an expert in political corruption.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Keith&Co. said:
Jayjay said:
If that's true, and Trump paid Cohen out of his own pocket, that would let Cohen off the hook.
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But, IF the purpose of the payment was to silence her to help Trump get elected, then it doesn't matter where the money came from, right? Because that would make it explicitly a campaign outlay of funds, no matter what account it came from.
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Additionally, if Trump was reimbursing him then Cohen lied when filling out the loan information for this payment, so he's guilty of bank fraud. If the payment to Cohen was set in such a way that it was repaid in multiple small amounts to avoid the transaction being large enough to warrant reporting, that's another financial crime called structuring.

Basically, Giuliani screwed everybody with that comment.
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^this^ Yep
Now the why questions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
 
Thank goodness, the truth finally comes out... again... only be modified later on.
Lion IRC said:
Trump paid a debt he didn't declare?
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That is the next hurdle. Because he "admittedly" didn't pay Cohen back in one lump sum, this is flat out a loan, which needs to be declared.

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Keith&Co. said:
Jayjay said:
If that's true, and Trump paid Cohen out of his own pocket, that would let Cohen off the hook.
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But, IF the purpose of the payment was to silence her to help Trump get elected, then it doesn't matter where the money came from, right? Because that would make it explicitly a campaign outlay of funds, no matter what account it came from.
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Trump is allowed unlimited personal funds. The question I suppose is, if he paid off Daniels, why did Cohen mortgage his house to do it?
 
This is what happens when a senile, crazy president hires a senile, crazy lawyer. Again, you can't make this shit up!
 
southernhybrid said:
This is what happens when a senile, crazy president hires a senile, crazy lawyer. Again, you can't make this shit up!
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We need to give Giuliani a break here. Trump fucked up and Giuliani is trying to minimize the damage. On the face of it, it looks to have worked (Trump paying from personal funds is legal), until people start asking other questions. I think the best one is, if Trump didn't know about it until later, why did they set up a loan program for Cohen. Also... who is "they". If Cohen could pay himself back in installments, why go through the process of mortgaging the house, creating a new LLC, making the payment, and then slowly paying himself back... when he could just use Trump's account and pay it forward?

Also, we do go back to the Trump didn't know, but was part of the agreement, legal issue for Cohen.

Giuliani is trying to salvage a shit sandwich. Yes, he saw it in the trash and picked it up himself and walked away with it, but it wasn't his to begin with, so he is going uphill a long way to salvage the mess Trump created.
 
I think it's also an act of desperation. They're trying to tell Cohen not to worry, they have his back, so he won't flip. Avanetti was pulling out bank receipts or something like that on late night TV, trying to get the California State Attorney involved. If that does happen, Trump won't be able to pardon him for a state crime. Usually, I think the penalty for something like this is a fine though, not sure exactly.
 
It's to a point where they are covering up for the cover-ups. It just is not going to end well.
 
And the cover-ups of the cover-ups of the cover-ups just increase the number of accomplices after the fact.
When this bubble bursts, the prosecution's going to look like open auditions for Chorus Line.
 
Keith&Co. said:
And the cover-ups of the cover-ups of the cover-ups just increase the number of accomplices after the fact.
When this bubble bursts, the prosecution's going to look like open auditions for Chorus Line.
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I honestly think that the GOP believes, "They can't indict all of us."
 
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