Greg Palast says Trump lost

[BH]

Trump Lost. Vote Suppression Won.

Here are the numbers...

www.gregpalast.com

Greg Palast makes the argument that so many votes were rejected and not counted various it cost Kamala the election.

Palast, from what I understand, has a great deal of respect in the journalistic community. And I would not put it past many Republicans to do this. If ballots were rejected in some cases because they were not filled out the exact way the rules state in my opinion it is fine, if and if, the same is done for votes that seem to come from white people. But I suspect there was a double standard.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Long story short, once I corrected a hiccup in my calcs, I was able to call the election for Trump around 9:30 PM. It'd seem highly unlikely for exit polls to be wrong in most of the states.

Greg Palast, if memory serves, went the way of Zogby. I wouldn't read too much into this. I'd be more interested in social media micro-targeted ads, which wouldn't be illegal, but I'd be very interested.

 

[Elixir]

What Jimmy said (implied).

The tidal wave of coordinated Russian and Republican disinformation was “the cause” of Dems’ defeat. The effect of any such skulduggery as what Palast alleges, pales in comparison. They didn’t need it, and probably didn’t do it to any significant degree.

 

[Jarhyn]

I expect, in general, some combination of misinformation, propaganda, troll farming, voter suppression, and yes, at least some vote count manipulation.

Everything the Republicans accused Biden of doing, they made some attempt at this election cycle, because that's their MO: to cause as much FUD and then do what they accused the other guy of, so that when people realize someone did the thing, the accusation for it is *already* pointed at their opponent.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I expect, in general, some combination of misinformation, propaganda, troll farming, voter suppression, and yes, at least some vote count manipulation.

There is no evidence of vote count manipulation. Wanna ask questions, ask how we held onto senate seats in MI, AZ, WI... and lost the states in the popular vote.

 

[scombrid]

What Jimmy said (implied).

The tidal wave of coordinated Russian and Republican disinformation was “the cause” of Dems’ defeat. The effect of any such skulduggery as what Palast alleges, pales in comparison. They didn’t need it, and probably didn’t do it to any significant degree.

Forget the Russians for now on this matter. Zuck/Musk/GOP. Anything the Russians did was filtered through and approved by the gate keepers. Blame the gate keepers.

 

[Jarhyn]

I expect, in general, some combination of misinformation, propaganda, troll farming, voter suppression, and yes, at least some vote count manipulation.

There is no evidence of vote count manipulation. Wanna ask questions, ask how we held onto senate seats in MI, AZ, WI... and lost the states in the popular vote.

None.. other than the overt statements by Musk and Trump that they did, and Musk's interest in software that makes plausible fake ballot scans...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I expect, in general, some combination of misinformation, propaganda, troll farming, voter suppression, and yes, at least some vote count manipulation.

There is no evidence of vote count manipulation. Wanna ask questions, ask how we held onto senate seats in MI, AZ, WI... and lost the states in the popular vote.

None.. other than the overt statements by Musk and Trump that they did, and Musk's interest in software that makes plausible fake ballot scans...

The exit polling aligned with the results, so no. We need to able to manage a comeback in 2028 (if possible). We can't do that by fighting against shit that didn't actually happen.

Any Musk involvement for me would have been microtargeted social media ads.

 

[Jarhyn]

I expect, in general, some combination of misinformation, propaganda, troll farming, voter suppression, and yes, at least some vote count manipulation.

There is no evidence of vote count manipulation. Wanna ask questions, ask how we held onto senate seats in MI, AZ, WI... and lost the states in the popular vote.

None.. other than the overt statements by Musk and Trump that they did, and Musk's interest in software that makes plausible fake ballot scans...

The exit polling aligned with the results, so no. We need to able to manage a comeback in 2028 (if possible). We can't do that by fighting against shit that didn't actually happen.

Any Musk involvement for me would have been microtargeted social media ads.

Still, I'm not soundly convinced.

For all I know, maybe it wasn't needed? But I'm not going to look away from the fact that there's monkey business involved in the actions and claims by the administration that the system has been compromised (ignoring that the EC already compromised the system)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I expect, in general, some combination of misinformation, propaganda, troll farming, voter suppression, and yes, at least some vote count manipulation.

There is no evidence of vote count manipulation. Wanna ask questions, ask how we held onto senate seats in MI, AZ, WI... and lost the states in the popular vote.

None.. other than the overt statements by Musk and Trump that they did, and Musk's interest in software that makes plausible fake ballot scans...

The exit polling aligned with the results, so no. We need to able to manage a comeback in 2028 (if possible). We can't do that by fighting against shit that didn't actually happen.

Any Musk involvement for me would have been microtargeted social media ads.

Still, I'm not soundly convinced.

That isn't relevant. If the data doesn't remotely support your position and you remain unconvinced, there is little in the way of any other information that will be valuable enough to change your thinking process.

The polling prior to the election indicated three possible outcomes. The exit polling indicated one of those outcomes. We saw that outcome.

For all I know, maybe it wasn't needed? But I'm not going to look away from the fact that there's monkey business involved in the actions and claims by the administration that the system has been compromised (ignoring that the EC already compromised the system)

You are free to conclude your hypothesis without any evidence and despite of the actual evidence. Don't expect anyone to join along.

 

[Jarhyn]

I expect, in general, some combination of misinformation, propaganda, troll farming, voter suppression, and yes, at least some vote count manipulation.

There is no evidence of vote count manipulation. Wanna ask questions, ask how we held onto senate seats in MI, AZ, WI... and lost the states in the popular vote.

None.. other than the overt statements by Musk and Trump that they did, and Musk's interest in software that makes plausible fake ballot scans...

The exit polling aligned with the results, so no. We need to able to manage a comeback in 2028 (if possible). We can't do that by fighting against shit that didn't actually happen.

Any Musk involvement for me would have been microtargeted social media ads.

Still, I'm not soundly convinced.

That isn't relevant. If the data doesn't remotely support your position and you remain unconvinced, there is little in the way of any other information that will be valuable enough to change your thinking process.

The polling prior to the election indicated three possible outcomes. The exit polling indicated one of those outcomes. We saw that outcome.

For all I know, maybe it wasn't needed? But I'm not going to look away from the fact that there's monkey business involved in the actions and claims by the administration that the system has been compromised (ignoring that the EC already compromised the system)

You are free to conclude your hypothesis without any evidence and despite of the actual evidence. Don't expect anyone to join along.

The evidence is exactly "when people do something wrong and expect no consequences from running it in folks' faces, they tend to rub it in everyone's faces, and part of what makes the rubbing effective is the foul authenticity of that material".

They rubbed. Could it be fake foulness? Sure. But they tend not to skimp when being shitty.

 

[Elixir]

Anything the Russians did was filtered through and approved by the gate keepers.

I think that’s broadly true. But the Russian team was given (for instance) a template for “local news” websites that would advertise on Meta, X, TicTok, but the troll farms decided/created the specific content.
There were literally thousands of them; Cheato&The Rat didn’t have much to do with the end product OR the initial propaganda concept of local news sites.

 

[Elixir]

They rubbed. Could it be fake foulness? Sure. But they tend not to skimp when being shitty.

Yes it IS a lot of fake foulness. Why risk getting caught when you can tacitly claim to have cheated without having to do anything? It achieves the effect of letting people think you can manipulate the system at will; destroying confidence in system integrity is a far bigger deal than winning one election.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I wouldn't put it past them considering Trump already supported an insurrection. And they lied their way through an election so they clearly don't care about morality. And Trump is doing everything he can to become a dictator. Pretty reasonable to be highly suspicious.

 

[Elixir]

Pretty reasonable to be highly suspicious.

The simpleton only thinks “what will be most likely to keep me out of jail?”
The most obvious answer to that question is guaranteed to be the course selected.

 

[ideologyhunter]

This just in: Greg Palast is missing -- last seen on M Street in Washington DC, accepting a ride in a Tesla Model X Plaid with tinted windows.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The problem here isn't in messing with the ballots, it's in keeping people from voting at all.

 

[ZiprHead]

The problem here isn't in messing with the ballots, it's in keeping people from voting at all.

Messing with the ballots is also possible. All those bomb threats on Dem leaning voting district polling places got those buildings emptied where those voting machines were left unattended. It would be simple for someone to hang back, stick a USB drive into the tabulators and run a vote switching program.

Did Elon Musk rig Pennsylvania election results? Trump’s rally comments spark conspiracy theories | The Express Tribune

Donald Trump's comments at victory rally praising Elon Musk spark conspiracy theories about election rigging.

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[Jimmy Higgins]

triibune.com.pk?