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Guiding Frameworks for the Modern Age

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With all of the philosophies/religions/ideologies throughout history, why not come up with something that's relevant for the modern, scientific age?

When I titled this thread I didn't want to use the word religion, but I think the religious forum is the proper place for it. Basically I've been thinking about what kind of guiding frameworks would replace world-views of old, given the context of our now solid scientific understanding of life, the world, and universe.

At first glance you would think that atheism and humanism would sort of fit the bill, but the problem with the former is that it's a negative worldview only defined by what it's not, and the latter I think is really just a more polite way of saying 'I'm moral, but secular'. I don't know that humanism has any real definition besides 'hey look at me, I'm not religious, but also not an asshole'.

So what would a philosophy of the modern age look like?

My first thought about it is that if science is the instigator of a new way of looking at things, why shouldn't a guiding framework be grounded in science itself? The central difference between people in the second millennium, and people before the age of reason, is that we're now aware that we're animals subject to the laws of biology, chemistry and physics. So maybe a new framework going forward would embrace our scientific understanding, and use it to better ourselves and our lives. Kind of like an inversion of theistic religions where we move back to a naturalistic square one, but with actual awareness of it, and the ability to concertedly learn more about it.

At that point I'd think you'd need to move into ethics, where any person aware of the way things work would realize that they're free to do anything they like, but not free from the consequences of doing what they like. So in a sense you'd actually move backward to original ideas of karma.

Anywho, this post is getting a little rambly, so I'll leave this all here. Curious what others think?
 
I'd probably start with the Chivalric code, a system designed to keep the armed rich from over-exploiting the masses.

So, a hint that it's not niceto chrge 2000% profits on critical drugs....
 
Back in 1946 Aldous Huxley wrote The Perennial Philosophy, an examination of mysticism/pantheism, and its occurrence in societies from the most ancient to the present.

I consider myself an atheist/pantheist, and have since before the internet existed. I've said many times that if there is a synthesis between the thesis of theism and the antithesis of atheism, it's pantheism.
 
Pop culture has become modern philosophy. People quote movies, TV, and music. Dylan was considered almost a prophet, until he abandoned folk music and went electric.
 
Taoism makes a good fit.

I had forgotten about wu wei, one of my favourite ideas from Asian traditions.

I was going to ask, "Which Taoism?" You do know that one theological strain of Taoism led to some pretty misguided attempts to induce immortality?


I was thinking of philosophical Taoism. Theological Taoism has strange beliefs that haven't been accessible or of interest to Westerners.
 
I was going to ask, "Which Taoism?" You do know that one theological strain of Taoism led to some pretty misguided attempts to induce immortality?


I was thinking of philosophical Taoism. Theological Taoism has strange beliefs that haven't been accessible or of interest to Westerners.

And then the next question is, "Which Taoism?" That of Chuang Tsu, or that of one of the four or more writers of the Tao Te Ching? Or, some other source entirely?
 
I was going to ask, "Which Taoism?" You do know that one theological strain of Taoism led to some pretty misguided attempts to induce immortality?


I was thinking of philosophical Taoism. Theological Taoism has strange beliefs that haven't been accessible or of interest to Westerners.

And then the next question is, "Which Taoism?" That of Chuang Tsu, or that of one of the four or more writers of the Tao Te Ching? Or, some other source entirely?



This is your journey now.
 
The one-line posts get tedious and suck the life out of threads. What if posters thought in terms of contributing something substantive whenever presenting themselves to the readership? We readers are your audience, there's no "me and this guy" when posting in public.
 
The one-line posts get tedious and suck the life out of threads. What if posters thought in terms of contributing something substantive whenever presenting themselves to the readership? We readers are your audience, there's no "me and this guy" when posting in public.

Easier to contribute energy to soft-ball threads about Christianity and Trump, I guess :shrug:
 
I was going to ask, "Which Taoism?" You do know that one theological strain of Taoism led to some pretty misguided attempts to induce immortality?


I was thinking of philosophical Taoism. Theological Taoism has strange beliefs that haven't been accessible or of interest to Westerners.

Traditional martial arts encompass supernatural elements of Taoism. The Kung Fu TV show was full of it. As were many the Hong Kong martial arts movies that Americans ate up in the 70s. You could say Star Wars was a mix of the American cowboy saga and Taoist mysticism.

When I trained in the 70s we did 'chi building exercises'. An area below the navel, the Lower Tan Dien. was said to be where chi was stored. In Indian lore it is a chakra. Back in the 90s an alternative bookstore in my neighborhood had someone speaking about Chi Kung and presented exercises. His teacher was running a funded study of Chi Kung techniques on blood pressure and diabetes. Whether the techniques are supernatural or not, they are being studied by mainstream medicine.

The Force in Star Wars equates to chi in Chinese traditions, ki in Japanese, and pranja in Indian mystical traditions.

Different names, but the same supernatural concepts.
 
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I was going to ask, "Which Taoism?" You do know that one theological strain of Taoism led to some pretty misguided attempts to induce immortality?


I was thinking of philosophical Taoism. Theological Taoism has strange beliefs that haven't been accessible or of interest to Westerners.

Traditional martial arts encompass supernatural elements of Taoism. The Kung Fu TV show was full of it. As were many the Hong Kong martial arts movies that Americans ate up in the 70s. You could say Star Wars was a mix of the American cowboy saga and Taoist mysticism.

The Force in Star Wars equates to chi in Chinese traditions, ki in Japanese, and pranja in Indian mystical traditions.

Different names, but the same supernatural concepts.


The internal martial arts. Tai Chi, Pakua and Hsing I are part of Esoteric Taoism. There seem to be supernatural elements in movies, YouTube and martial arts lore but not in real life.
 
Traditional martial arts encompass supernatural elements of Taoism. The Kung Fu TV show was full of it. As were many the Hong Kong martial arts movies that Americans ate up in the 70s. You could say Star Wars was a mix of the American cowboy saga and Taoist mysticism.

The Force in Star Wars equates to chi in Chinese traditions, ki in Japanese, and pranja in Indian mystical traditions.

Different names, but the same supernatural concepts.


The internal martial arts. Tai Chi, Pakua and Hsing I are part of Esoteric Taoism. There seem to be supernatural elements in movies, YouTube and martial arts lore but not in real life.

In the 70s I trained under a traditional teacher. He was mixed race Okinawan and Chinese, taught by a grandfather. His story was out of a movie. He once said he did not need to see to fight. He had a close group of disciples. When doing a demonstration breaking blocks of ice some swore the ice broke before he hit it. Point being Taoism and derivative's are alive and well in the USA if you know where to look.

It depends on who you train under and the lineage of the tradition. Back in the 80s I attended a seminar by a well know Tai Chi teacher in Mass. I am not a believer in supernatural, but he talked about it.

There are a number of books on marital arts that talk about chi. At the highest levels chi, or The Force, is what you use for defense.

Outside of Christianity there is a well developed array of the supernatural.

Chi Kung, which has several names, is about using Chi for personal health and healing others. Myagi at the end of Karate Kid when he lays hand on the injured kid.. In Indian traditions it is Hatha Yoga.
 
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