Yeah, as I was deconverting I read some of the Nag Hammadi Library, among other works from people like John Shelby Sponge. I didn’t find any reason to stop there as I headed for the exit door… And unlike Keith&co, I don’t kiss pigs
If you have investigated Gnostic Christianity, do you agree that from a moral POV, they are the superior Christian theology thanks to equality and Universalism?
I find liberal Christian theology to be superior to conservative/fundamentalist Christian theology in general, so yeah I’d lump Gnostic in with the liberal wing. I’d imagine that your morals/ethical views really isn’t that different than a typical ELCA preacher’s view.
Did you used to go under a different username? The DL and pic seem familiar….
I see a lot of differences because we are not literalists but agree that the left is more moral than the right.
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DL
Literalists??? You must have interacted with some very different liberal Christians than I, because I don't know any literalist liberal Christians. I know some Methodists that don't even think Jesus is/was part of the God-head. Why they want to still use the Christian label is beyond me, but it is their choice...
All Christians must read scriptures literally if they believe in a Jesus.
That is the only place that posits his reality and reading the bible literally, even in a minute way, is the only way to end believing in a real Jesus.
it would seem to me that if a Christian does not believe in a literal Jesus, then he cannot be a Christian.
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DL
And you say this, while also clinging to the label "Christian", albeit with an extra word in front.... You seem to have a very poor grasp on just how liberal Christian think about the Christian Bible. Do you ever talk to liberal Christians, like from the UMC or ELCA? Like I just said, some liberal Christians don't even consider Jesus divine, so those types don't "believe in a Jesus" in the way you suggest they have too.
How well do you take to people telling you how you have to think?
If the suggestion is worthy then I have no problem accepting advice.
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Note that they do not consider Jesus divine.
To do so they must read scriptures literally.
You make my point. Thanks.
Regards
DL
Recapping a bit for clarity…
#101
Me: I’d lump Gnostic in with the liberal wing (of Christianity)
You: I see a lot of differences because we are not literalists
#107
Me: I don't know any literalist liberal Christians. I know some Methodists that don't even think Jesus is/was part of the God-head
You: All Christians must read scriptures literally if they believe in a Jesus. That is the only place that posits his reality and
reading the bible literally, even in a minute way, is the only way to end believing in a real Jesus.
This is getting strange…but after reading back thru the exchange I’m guessing that the part of our exchange that I have now bolded is what you are referring to when you call a liberal Christian a literalist. So, I assume that it is your argument that if someone reads any part of the Christian bible as literally true or historical, then they are a literalist Christian, or maybe you restrict this label to people who take the parts of the Bible about Jesus’ divinity as true. I don’t know, maybe you could clarify this???
When I described how some liberal Christians don’t even believe in a divine Christ/Jesus, I was describing the extreme end of such liberal beliefs. Some also think Jesus was divine, but might not believe all of the miracle stories (say like the virgin birth); or they may find Noah’s Deluge to be myth among other things; they may think Paul’s writings as inspired, but not necessarily wholly correct or accurate; they may find Revelations to be a crock. The point is that it is a wide spectrum of thought and belief (or lack of belief) in what is sometimes ascribed as a literal interpretation of some theme within the Bible. Most people, when describing Christians as literalists, are talking about those Christians that belong to fundamentalist and/or conservative evangelical churches, which consider the whole Bible to be God-breathed.