Hello? Police? There are BLACK PEOPLE using our neighborhood pool!

[laughing dog]

What you propose is tantamount to just walking away, but he chose to engage.

No, what I proposing is not acting like an officious clueless moron.

That shit didn't turn out so hot, and then he did the one thing he should of done; with the inability to caress his way into her good graces, he chose the course of action that in days past would have kept him out the hot seat.

You mean in the days past when “those people” had the good graces to do whatever their “betters” said, otherwise they were visited by the KKK or arrested by the police?

You call that escalating the situation.

Because it is escalating the situation. However, the police handled the situation in a calm and professional matter.

Somehow, calling the very people you're supposed to call when a potential conflict is about to ensue is escalation. Well, kiss my grits, at least it's an escalation of the non violent variety. But, that doesn't matter to you since doing so was just a waste of time. Never mind his duty. Never mind his predicament.

It is wasting the police time. He had no duty to call the police.
Let me get this straight – you think some black woman questioning a white guy about his asking for an id to get into a pool is a “predicament”?

Maybe when the child is about to drown, he should set up an appointment with his attorney to discuss the pros and cons of calling 911.

I would think the life guard would act, so there would be no need for your moronic analogy to even be brought up.

It doesn't matter if it's a waste of time. It's better to be safe than sorry. Sometimes, when you're dealing with a race card wielding thug, it's better to just back off and let authorities handle it, just like you should let the courts handle a cop that wrongly writes you a ticket.

Why would anyone refer to that woman as a "Race wielding thug"?

 

[laughing dog]

Is the operative word, "here?" Try that shit in the south and even the white folk will be apart of her possey that shows up at 3 in the morning. Whites and blacks get along pretty well where I'm at.

People who get along pretty well do not show up in the 3 am with a posse to avenge perceived insults.

 

[fast]

Race card wielding thug. Niggers on a string. You pull their cord and it's their only response. Blacks don't like that shit any more than whites do. It's the whites and blacks that get along. Insinuating racist motives pisses people off (when it's quick-lipped), but you're right; sometimes it's called for, but when it's their only go-to as if there can be no other option is bullshit.

I've been in the mix of witnessing some black person hollering about as if race was an issue. Even the blacks are rolling their eyes. You've heard, "you can take the boy out the country but you can't take the country out the boy?" Same applies with some black people. You can dress 'em up, but when their quick temper gets the best of 'em, ... well, let's just say there's no need in informing anyone what color they are.

As to your posse comment, I think you weren't catching what I was throwing down. We treat everyone with respect. We cut up, but at the end of the day, we're all friends who look after each other. It's the weirdos who think they can just come in and think they're apart of the click that get themselves in trouble--white or black. As to white or black, that goes for if the situation was such that it was a white woman. If you start disrespecting her, both whites and blacks are going to take up for her, just like the black woman would of if she hadn't been such a cunt about it.

The problem is; let me tell you what the problem is; the problem is the IMMEDIATE speculation that race is what fuels these kinds of issues. Ya know what, it's shit like this that increases racist tension. Could you imagine a genuinely non racist person being exposed to this crap? Hell, if they weren't racist before, how long will it take?

I guess now you want to know what in the holy hell would possess me to call this poor pitiful black woman a cunt. First off, let me tell you why I blame the victim. No wait, let me do that second. First off, had things been just a tad bit different, I would be on your side in all this. Well, I'd be on her side on all this. This woman (and I don't even give a damn if she wasn't supposed to be there); the stupid ass white guy who clearly hasn't a fucking clue how to talk to people waltzes his slack white ass up on there and talk whatever kind of way he pleases. Had I been there, I just might have gave him a piece of my mind--the honkey shrimp dick fucker. Let the woman be! Ok, so maybe he's too inept and is completely clueless how to interact with people of color--they are different ya know: I've mentioned that already.

So, there I am ready and willing to back up black momma and baby. Ya know why; because arrogant fuck wits that don't have the common decency and manners to talk to people need to be jackslapped.

Second, all that crap went out the window when she played the only card bs card apparently at her disposal. Wanna know why he approached the only black person out there? Because she was the only person out there that he was focused on. Did you read the other articles on the situation? The lesson here is that there is very (very) often non racial issues underlying situations that just have what some would call an appearance of racism in action.

She got upset. I get that. I say take his slinky ass out to the woodshed. I got a sisters back. Hell yeah. They don't call me crazy for nothing. But then she goes and plays that fucking race card vilifying him. Hell, I'm now in a complete 180. I go from wanting to be her back up to defending that piece of shit.

Shit. All the way around. Pure crap. When it's about race, it's about race, but damn it, when it's not, don't make it about it--even if the underlying precipitating factor is questionable.

 

[laughing dog]

You and I were not there. The woman who was there believes it was about race. Why are you dismissing her experience?

 

[repoman]

So this situation was two white guys on BART. The older guy called the cops on the younger for eating a burrito. If the younger guy was black or hispanic what would have happened with the news media and social media reaction?

 

[fast]

So this situation was two white guys on BART. The older guy called the cops on the younger for eating a burrito. If the younger guy was black or hispanic what would have happened with the news media and social media reaction?

#eating while black

We'd get to meet our newest hashtag demonstrating that racism knows no bounds.

 

[ronburgundy]

So, the article says the guy (described as "pool chair") first asked her for ID. Does that mean she refused and then he called the police?That certainly would be different than if he had just immediately called the cops. It also matters whether he has previously (as he claims he does every week) asked others for ID.

 

[Derec]

This world is getting completely crazy. It's gotten to the point that you can't enforce any rules against black people because to do so is "racist".

 

[laughing dog]

This world is getting completely crazy. It's gotten to the point that you can't enforce any rules against black people because to do so is "racist".

The world is getting completely crazy when someone can draw such an outlandish conclusion and expect it to be taken seriously.

 

[Derec]

The world is getting completely crazy when someone can draw such an outlandish conclusion and expect it to be taken seriously.

In this case the pool is for residents only yet the black person refused to show her id.
In another case a black man was wearing socks in the pool, a violation of pool rules. The manager who tried to get him to take them off got fired.
There is a clear trend here - if you try to get black people to follow rules, you will get fired. So you must allow black people to violate rules if you want to keep your job. Isn't that fucked up?

 

[laughing dog]

The world is getting completely crazy when someone can draw such an outlandish conclusion and expect it to be taken seriously.

In this case the pool is for residents only yet the black person refused to show her id.

You don't know that. You don't know how this interaction went down - the tone of voice, body language, etc....

In another case a black man was wearing socks in the pool, a violation of pool rules. The manager who tried to get him to take them off got fired.

Given your demonstrated inability to accurately portray these situations, please provide a link to substantiate your version.

There is a clear trend here - if you try to get black people to follow rules, you will get fired. So you must allow black people to violate rules if you want to keep your job. Isn't that fucked up?

If you agree your logic is fucked up, why do you persist?

 

[Horatio Parker]

The normal procedure here is to go up to the woman, introduce yourself, and ask where she lives. Maybe make a comment that nonresidents are not allowed in the pool and you hadn't seen her before, and just wanted to make sure she was a resident. Not make a complete ASS of yourself by calling the cops. The guy is a complete dick.

To which I'd add, when asked to apologize, he walked away. Now maybe an apology wasn't required, but it still could've been discussed ie there still could've been an attempt to smooth things over. He chose to walk away.

 

[phands]

Occam's razor says he is a racist piece of garbage. And from the evidence of his postings, so is the vile Derec..
The fact of implicit white racism is SO ingrained in US culture that it is on plain view almost everywhere. I see it a lot, because although I'm white, I have a majority non-white circle of friends, and am exposed to it almost daily. My fiancee is a black woman, and we get racist comments just for walking together hand-in-hands. Some white thugs have even accused me of some form of race-treason.

When fucktards like Derec try to claim that blacks are getting away with too much by playing the race card, they are reinforcing the acceptance of racism as OK - if you're white.
If anyone gets the chance, go visit the superb new Museum of African-American History in Washington DC. Then you'll see how racist this country was and still is.

 

[Derec]

Occam's razor says he is a racist piece of garbage.

No, it does not.

And from the evidence of his postings, so is the vile Derec..

No, I do not.

The fact of implicit white racism is SO ingrained in US culture that it is on plain view almost everywhere.

Actually, black racism is a lot plainer because white racists (and even non-racists because there are many false positives) get shunned while black racists (like for example Al Shapton) do not.

I see it a lot, because although I'm white, I have a majority non-white circle of friends, and am exposed to it almost daily. My fiancee is a black woman, and we get racist comments just for walking together hand-in-hands. Some white thugs have even accused me of some form of race-treason.

For the record, I think interracial dating and marriage is fine. However, from what I have read, there is at least as much of an opposition to interracial dating/marriage from blacks as there is from whites. So I don't believe that you have encountered hostility from whites but none from blacks. I think this is yet another instance where black racism gets swept under the rug.

When fucktards like Derec try to claim that blacks are getting away with too much by playing the race card, they are reinforcing the acceptance of racism as OK - if you're white.

Bullshit on steroids. I think rules should apply too everybody equally. But it seems that every time there is an incident with a black person involved, racism on behalf of white people is invoked as an explanation even though there is no evidence for it.
If you imply that every time a black person is called out for violating the rules the reason is racism is to basically say that rules should not apply to black people.
And "race card playing" is a real phenomenon.

If anyone gets the chance, go visit the superb new Museum of African-American History in Washington DC. Then you'll see how racist this country was and still is.

Racism can go both ways. I think you are one of those self-hating whites.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Police called when white man spotted at pool, by black family, doesn’t show ID.

 

[Arctish]

So, the article says the guy (described as "pool chair") first asked her for ID. Does that mean she refused and then he called the police?That certainly would be different than if he had just immediately called the cops. It also matters whether he has previously (as he claims he does every week) asked others for ID.

The article I read said he asked her for her address and she told him. She also had the card residents get so they can unlock the gate. Then he came back and asked her for ID. She asked him why he wanted it since it isn't posted on the signs that residents are required to show ID and no one else had to show it to get in.

Instead of backing down and bringing the matter up at the next neighborhood association meeting, the guy called to cops. It was a needless escalation of a confrontation he created because he didn't recognize the black family who showed up at the pool.

I don't think he should have lost his job. I don't know what it was, but even if it was in public relations he should have been allowed to take leave and take stock.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Getting fired from his job for being an ass on his personal time seems a bit excessive, but then again, I don't know what his job was so maybe it was something that would harm his job performance. Like, if he was a salesman at a local store, it could hurt the business if customers went "hey aren't you that racist pool guy?"

Publicly embarrassing the company is generally a firing offense. Doing something very unpopular and being named as an employee of a company qualifies.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

So, the article says the guy (described as "pool chair") first asked her for ID. Does that mean she refused and then he called the police?That certainly would be different than if he had just immediately called the cops. It also matters whether he has previously (as he claims he does every week) asked others for ID.

The article I read said he asked her for her address and she told him. She also had the card residents get so they can unlock the gate. Then he came back and asked her for ID. She asked him why he wanted it since it isn't posted on the signs that residents are required to show ID and no one else had to show it to get in.

Instead of backing down and bringing the matter up at the next neighborhood association meeting, the guy called to cops. It was a needless escalation of a confrontation he created because he didn't recognize the black family who showed up at the pool.

I don't think he should have lost his job. I don't know what it was, but even if it was in public relations he should have been allowed to take leave and take stock.

I'll go along with that.

And his "job" may have been voluntary. When an employee gets himself or herself into trouble, so long as it is not egregious, we typically give them a few days to decompress before re-interviewing them to see if termination is appropriate.

 

[ronburgundy]

So, the article says the guy (described as "pool chair") first asked her for ID. Does that mean she refused and then he called the police?That certainly would be different than if he had just immediately called the cops. It also matters whether he has previously (as he claims he does every week) asked others for ID.

The article I read said he asked her for her address and she told him. She also had the card residents get so they can unlock the gate. Then he came back and asked her for ID. She asked him why he wanted it since it isn't posted on the signs that residents are required to show ID and no one else had to show it to get in.

Instead of backing down and bringing the matter up at the next neighborhood association meeting, the guy called to cops. It was a needless escalation of a confrontation he created because he didn't recognize the black family who showed up at the pool.

The NYPost article didn't say anything about him first asking for the address, but that doesn't make much difference. Anyone can give say a fake address, so this situation is no different than if he'd asked for the ID to begin with and she refused.
It also doesn't matter whether anyone else was asked for ID at that time. What matters is whether he or someone regularly ask people for ID when they don't recognize them as a resident. IF not, then he's a racist and 100% responsible for the incident.
He claims he does and it should be easy to verify if other residents have been asked in the past. If so, then he was doing what he is supposed to and it had nothing to do with race, then she escalated it by refusing to show ID and claiming racial discrimination.
Arguably, even then, he should have asked her to leave rather than call the cops, and if she wasn't a resident she either would have left or maybe called his bluff but still not returned to press her luck.
There is no way to keep out non-residents if people cannot be kicked out when they can't or won't verify residency when asked, but asking every person every time is needless burdensome to all.
The only way to avoid such a situation would be for the board to either create a burdensome policy that requires even well known 30 year residents to automatically show ID every time they enter the pool, or a policy that allows anyone who can get in the gate to use the pool without being asked to verify residency and without consequence. Can you think of any other policy that would avoid this situation?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, the article says the guy (described as "pool chair") first asked her for ID. Does that mean she refused and then he called the police?That certainly would be different than if he had just immediately called the cops. It also matters whether he has previously (as he claims he does every week) asked others for ID.

The article I read said he asked her for her address and she told him. She also had the card residents get so they can unlock the gate. Then he came back and asked her for ID. She asked him why he wanted it since it isn't posted on the signs that residents are required to show ID and no one else had to show it to get in.

Instead of backing down and bringing the matter up at the next neighborhood association meeting, the guy called to cops. It was a needless escalation of a confrontation he created because he didn't recognize the black family who showed up at the pool.

The NYPost article didn't say anything about him first asking for the address, but that doesn't make much difference. Anyone can give say a fake address, so this situation is no different than if he'd asked for the ID to begin with and she refused.
It also doesn't matter whether anyone else was asked for ID at that time. What matters is whether he or someone regularly ask people for ID when they don't recognize them as a resident. IF not, then he's a racist and 100% responsible for the incident.
He claims he does and it should be easy to verify if other residents have been asked in the past. If so, then he was doing what he is supposed to and it had nothing to do with race, then she escalated it by refusing to show ID and claiming racial discrimination.
Arguably, even then, he should have asked her to leave rather than call the cops, and if she wasn't a resident she either would have left or maybe called his bluff but still not returned to press her luck.

She had a pass key to get in and showed it to the man... so either 1) she is a resident 2) she is friends with a resident 3) she has a forged key. The third is only likely in a Loren Pechtel hypothetical in which he is justifying her shooting death by police.

So she has a key that grants her access... there is little else to suggest she shouldn't be there.