Here are the stats on false sexual assault claims

[phands]

I'm sure this will get the usual crew of local misogynists mansplaining why this isn't fair or correct without having read the full article to the end.. And, as usual, trumpo is a disgusting liar...

(CNN)In the age of #MeToo, who's getting treated more unfairly: men or women?


To hear President Donald Trump tell it, "It is a very scary time for young men in America."
"It's a very scary situation where you're guilty until proven innocent," Trump said about sex assault claims against men, including against his Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.


"You could be somebody that was perfect your entire life, and somebody could accuse you of something."
Trump isn't alone in his concern. Many women, including mothers of boys, are using the hashtag #ProtectOurBoys to denounce what they consider false claims.
We've seen some high-profile cases in which men were wrongfully accused of sexual assault: for example, the Duke lacrosse players and the former football player whose alleged victim later admitted she wasn't raped.
But those appear to be anomalies. Studies suggest the prevalence of false reporting on sexual assault is between 2% and 10%, according to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center.
And there's a big caveat to those numbers: "Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols," the resource center said.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/health/sexual-assault-false-reports/index.html

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

You do realize that these are not mutually exclusive, right? And as high as 10%?? Really? I would have thought much lower.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

You do realize that these are not mutually exclusive, right? And as high as 10%?? Really? I would have thought much lower.

Why the fuck are you pretending not to have already been deeply involved in a thread (began it, no less) that showed the percentages are in fact much much lower?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I tried to take a look at where these numbers are coming from. CNN's citation isn't a study but appears to be a pamphlet citing a study. Googling the actual study, it reveals in the abstract that 5.9% were coded as false. The actual study and how this coding was done is hidden behind a paywall.

CNN makes the distinction between a purposefully false report and a baseless or confused one. There is an important distinction in regard if the people reporting should be punished, but either case is a man (usually a man) being accused of something he didn't do.

The Trump statement that false allegations are frequent is wrong. But his statement that men are treated as guilty until proven innocent has truth to it, especially in the court of public opinion in the age of "you gotta believe the victim". Kavanaugh has indeed already been branded a rapist by many, despite not being charged criminally and despite very little evidence against him.

And if false allegations are between 2% and 10%, then it isn't at all hard to consider that the claim against him could be false, given the extreme political stakes.

 

[phands]

And my prediction came true instantly, the first reply no less....

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

You're welcome. And I could have predicted you would write something thoughtless like that, but I didn't want to stoop to that level.

 

[phands]

You're welcome. And I could have predicted you would write something thoughtless like that, but I didn't want to stoop to that level.

I can assure you it was thoughtful, and with malice aforethought. And I understand your desire to not stoop any lower...first rule of holes....

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

With malice, yes. Thoughful, no. I doubt you even read what I actually wrote.

 

[TSwizzle]

I tried to take a look at where these numbers are coming from. CNN's citation isn't a study but appears to be a pamphlet citing a study.

There are a number of studies referenced in the pamphlet, they are very old. I wonder when that pamphlet was published, probably about 2012.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

You do realize that these are not mutually exclusive, right? And as high as 10%?? Really? I would have thought much lower.

Why the fuck are you pretending not to have already been deeply involved in a thread (began it, no less) that showed the percentages are in fact much much lower?

Apparently the study cited in the OP conflicts with the one you are pushing. Somehow you want to make it about me? Lol

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I tried to take a look at where these numbers are coming from. CNN's citation isn't a study but appears to be a pamphlet citing a study.

There are a number of studies referenced in the pamphlet, they are very old. I wonder when that pamphlet was published, probably about 2012.

Makes it a little hard to see how the numbers came to be. The reality could be quite different in either direction. And course according to phands noting that is rape appologia.

 

[RVonse]

Kavanaugh has indeed already been branded a rapist by many, despite not being charged criminally and despite very little evidence against him.

He hasn't even been charged on the civil side of things.

If Ford and/or the others are so certain he is guilty why don't they press charges with Maryland or whoever has jurisdiction? Why don't they seek damages through the court? Those are questions you are not going to see answered on this board.

Those women are all afraid of the law. They know their cases are so flimsy they would be immediately thrown out in a normal court. This Kavanaugh case is not even up to the standard of "he said, she said". All of the cases are so flimsy that if any of these women attempt a civil case they would be countered sued and they would lose. So you won't be seeing any criminal or civil cases against Kavanaugh. For good reason.

 

[RVonse]

I tried to take a look at where these numbers are coming from. CNN's citation ....

That is all you need Jolly. It came from CNN so we must believe everything! If it came from Fox.....well that's a whole different story. If it came from Fox we need to do fact checking because that outlet can't ever be right. But CNN is always the gospel truth and light coming from the pulpit.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

If Ford and/or the others are so certain he is guilty why don't they press charges with Maryland or whoever has jurisdiction? Why don't they seek damages through the court? Those are questions you are not going to see answered on this board.

Even if the allegation is false, it still served to get Kavanaugh in a defensive position, and that got him to lash out and show his temperment to be poor and unsuitable for the supreme Court. You can bet the Democrats will lean heavily on that. Even if he was set up, he was exposed and will forever have a mark over his head.

 

[laughing dog]

Kavanaugh has indeed already been branded a rapist by many, despite not being charged criminally and despite very little evidence against him.

He hasn't even been charged on the civil side of things.

If Ford and/or the others are so certain he is guilty why don't they press charges with Maryland or whoever has jurisdiction? Why don't they seek damages through the court? Those are questions you are not going to see answered on this board.

There are plenty of possible reasons. First, there is a statute of limitations for crimes. Second, perhaps they don't want him punished - they just feel he should not sit on the Supreme Court. Third, maybe they realize they would have little chance of winning in court and do not want to go through the trouble and agony of a court case. But none of that does not mean they were lying about Kavanaugh.

Those women are all afraid of the law. They know their cases are so flimsy they would be immediately thrown out in a normal court.

You have no clue what these women know or do not know.

This Kavanaugh case is not even up to the standard of "he said, she said".

Actually, at this point, it is perfect example of "he said, she said".

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Actually, at this point, it is perfect example of "he said, she said".

It is. And so we shouldn't be concluding that he did anything wrong, yet he is already convicted of rape in the court of public opinion. This could be completely false and still shadow him and render his position on the court questioned as long as he holds it.

 

[Toni]

Kavanaugh has indeed already been branded a rapist by many, despite not being charged criminally and despite very little evidence against him.

He hasn't even been charged on the civil side of things.

If Ford and/or the others are so certain he is guilty why don't they press charges with Maryland or whoever has jurisdiction? Why don't they seek damages through the court? Those are questions you are not going to see answered on this board.

Those women are all afraid of the law. They know their cases are so flimsy they would be immediately thrown out in a normal court. This Kavanaugh case is not even up to the standard of "he said, she said". All of the cases are so flimsy that if any of these women attempt a civil case they would be countered sued and they would lose. So you won't be seeing any criminal or civil cases against Kavanaugh. For good reason.

The thing is, regardless of what you believe about these allegations or the amount of time that had passed, Kavanaugh’s demeanor during his questioning made him look anything but judicial. Despite being an experienced attorney and judge, despite ample prep time, despite knowing what sorts of questions to expect, he showed nothing remotely resembling an open attitude of wanting to clear his name and demonstrate a calm, considered, methodical approach or even basic civility. He acted like a dry drunk privileged frat boy who could not believe that anyone DARED question him.

To me,that should be the final nail in the coffin for hisnination. I don’t think he has what it takes to sit on a county court. Frankly that shocked me.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I agree and I am even more shocked that I am in total agreement with Toni.

 

[laughing dog]

Actually, at this point, it is perfect example of "he said, she said".

It is. And so we shouldn't be concluding that he did anything wrong, yet he is already convicted of rape in the court of public opinion. This could be completely false and still shadow him and render his position on the court questioned as long as he holds it.

Frankly, his demeanor and testimony makes me wonder about his mental acuity and stability. He certainly appeared to be a partisan jackass - which ought to make him unfit to be on the SCOTUS. And that he did all by himself.

 

[ZiprHead]

https://medium.com/@demandjustice/kavanaugh-29-lies-and-counting-69ab6dee833d

Kavanaugh: 31 Lies and Counting
Jeff Flake told 60 Minutes that Kavanaugh would not be confirmed if the FBI probe showed that he lied to the Senate Judiciary Committee. We already know that Kavanaugh has lied. Repeatedly.