How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Russia turned Finland into a pile of rubble during World War 2. Everybody in that country carries generational deep scars from that war. Everybody.

No, we did not, we did not even enter Finland, during WW2 that is

 

[barbos]

Well, which one of us lives in Finland, follows the Finnish media and talk to the Finnish people?

really? you refer to finnish media? really?
Your english is not that bad, but you don't seem to know the meaning of a word "believe". So I am confused.

By the way, congratulations, on your 10th post!

By the way, what happened to JayJay, can you go and check up on him? he stopped posting right after Finland's capitulation to NATO.

 

[barbos]

As to your claim that Finland would try to promise Russia that there would not be major NATO forces, it is not true. This very day the news has it that Finland wants to have NATO Forward Land Forces deployed in the country.

We are not worried about a thousand drunken sailors from UK/Germany/US landing in Finland.
We are worried about certain types of military hardware.

 

[Harry Bosch]

As to your claim that Finland would try to promise Russia that there would not be major NATO forces, it is not true. This very day the news has it that Finland wants to have NATO Forward Land Forces deployed in the country.

We are not worried about a thousand drunken sailors from UK/Germany/US landing in Finland.
We are worried about certain types of military hardware.

If you stop invading other countries, you won't have to worry about their military hardware.

 

[Ovazor]

Russia turned Finland into a pile of rubble during World War 2. Everybody in that country carries generational deep scars from that war. Everybody.

No, we did not, we did not even enter Finland, during WW2 that is

First part is true, Russia did not turn Finland into a pile of rubble. The second part is patently absurd, as the Red Army invaded Finland in 1939

Well, which one of us lives in Finland, follows the Finnish media and talk to the Finnish people?

really? you refer to finnish media? really?
Your english is not that bad, but you don't seem to know the meaning of a word "believe". So I am confused.

By the way, congratulations, on your 10th post!

Yes, I refer to the Finnish media as a credible source of what the people feel here. Much better for that than the Russian media.

 

[barbos]

As to your claim that Finland would try to promise Russia that there would not be major NATO forces, it is not true. This very day the news has it that Finland wants to have NATO Forward Land Forces deployed in the country.

We are not worried about a thousand drunken sailors from UK/Germany/US landing in Finland.
We are worried about certain types of military hardware.

If you stop invading other countries, you won't have to worry about their military hardware.

If you learn some history and background you would stop posting like this BS

 

[barbos]

First part is true, Russia did not turn Finland into a pile of rubble. The second part is patently absurd, as the Red Army invaded Finland in 1939

Nuances, nuances, my finnish comrade.
Congratulations with 11th post!

 

[Ovazor]

As to your claim that Finland would try to promise Russia that there would not be major NATO forces, it is not true. This very day the news has it that Finland wants to have NATO Forward Land Forces deployed in the country.

We are not worried about a thousand drunken sailors from UK/Germany/US landing in Finland.
We are worried about certain types of military hardware.

How do you like F-35s based 25 min flight away from St.Putinsburg?

 

[barbos]

Yes, I refer to the Finnish media as a credible source of what the people feel here. Much better for that than the Russian media.

Why would a person living in Finland refer to their media to learn what people think?

 

[Ovazor]

First part is true, Russia did not turn Finland into a pile of rubble. The second part is patently absurd, as the Red Army invaded Finland in 1939

Nuances, nuances, my finnish comrade.

Nuance as "did not even enter Finland" equals to "Brutally invaded to conquer"?

 

[barbos]

As to your claim that Finland would try to promise Russia that there would not be major NATO forces, it is not true. This very day the news has it that Finland wants to have NATO Forward Land Forces deployed in the country.

We are not worried about a thousand drunken sailors from UK/Germany/US landing in Finland.
We are worried about certain types of military hardware.

How do you like F-35s based 25 min flight away from St.Putinsburg?

F35s is not on the list of really worrisome hardware. You should know that, Finnish media you trust should have informed you.

 

[barbos]

First part is true, Russia did not turn Finland into a pile of rubble. The second part is patently absurd, as the Red Army invaded Finland in 1939

Nuances, nuances, my finnish comrade.

Nuance as "did not even enter Finland" equals to "Brutally invaded to conquer"?

That's not what happened.

 

[Ovazor]

Yes, I refer to the Finnish media as a credible source of what the people feel here. Much better for that than the Russian media.

Why would a person living in Finland refer to their media to learn what people think?

There was just European elections. Before that lots of opinions were expressed.

But you stated earlier that you were confused. It must be confusing for to conceive a country with free media, so that journalists are not jailed for calling a war war.

And that is just one of the benefits of not having your country run from Moscow.

 

[Ovazor]

First part is true, Russia did not turn Finland into a pile of rubble. The second part is patently absurd, as the Red Army invaded Finland in 1939

Nuances, nuances, my finnish comrade.

Nuance as "did not even enter Finland" equals to "Brutally invaded to conquer"?

That's not what happened.

Tell that to the 300 000+ Soviet (not all were Russian) troops that got killed or wounded while it was not happening.

 

[barbos]

There was just European elections. Before that lots of opinions were expressed.

And russo-phobes lost. Your point?

But you stated earlier that you were confused.

And I am still confused. I asked you to clarify and still have not.\

 

[barbos]

First part is true, Russia did not turn Finland into a pile of rubble. The second part is patently absurd, as the Red Army invaded Finland in 1939

Nuances, nuances, my finnish comrade.

Nuance as "did not even enter Finland" equals to "Brutally invaded to conquer"?

That's not what happened.

Tell that to the 300 000+ Soviet (not all were Russian) troops that got killed or wounded while it was not happening.

Have you been been missing last 80 years? Finland eventually fought Nazi Germany and had had great relationship with USSR afterwards.

 

[Ovazor]

There was just European elections. Before that lots of opinions were expressed.

And russo-phobes lost. Your point?

Actually, Kokoomus, the biggest winner, is where the prime minister, the minister of foreign affairs and the minister of defence come from. Also the former party of the president (in Finland the president has to resign the membership of a political party before inauguration). Hardly a punishment by the electorate.

But you stated earlier that you were confused.

And I am still confused. I asked you to clarify and still have not.\

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The support of NATO membership shot through the roof after the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine. The pre-invasion wisdom here was that economic ties would secure peace, but that mode of thinking died the day Russia invaded Ukraine.

So one is left wondering why Russia - more specifically Putin - would do such a stupid thing. IMHO the likely explanation is that Putin was getting cold feet. He's a criminal of the highest order, no different from Hitler, and realized western freedom and accountability was closing in. In his infantile mind he had no better option. And he's willing to kill as many as it takes, including his own countrymen, same as Hitler, to escape accountability.

 

[Ovazor]

Tell that to the 300 000+ Soviet (not all were Russian) troops that got killed or wounded while it was not happening.

Have you been been missing last 80 years? Finland eventually fought Nazi Germany and had had great relationship with USSR afterwards.

Yes, eventually fought the Germans, but that does not change the fact that the Soviets started a war of aggression against Finland in 1939 and did enter the country, losing 300 000+ in KIA, WIA and MIA by March 1940. You claimed that they did not even enter the country.

 

[barbos]

Tell that to the 300 000+ Soviet (not all were Russian) troops that got killed or wounded while it was not happening.

Have you been been missing last 80 years? Finland eventually fought Nazi Germany and had had great relationship with USSR afterwards.

Yes, eventually fought the Germans, but that does not change the fact that the Soviets started a war of aggression against Finland in 1939 and did enter the country, losing 300 000+ in KIA, WIA and MIA by March 1940. You claimed that they did not even enter the country.

Dude, JayJay agreed with me, go talk to him.