Idaho governor signs into law anti-transgender legislation

[TSwizzle]

Not sure why this should be described as "anti-transgender"

Idaho Gov. Brad Little on Monday signed into law two anti-transgender bills, making Idaho the first among states that introduced some 40 such bills this year to enact them. The Republican governor approved legislation that prohibits transgender people from changing the sex listed on their birth certificates, and another that bans transgender girls and women from competing in women’s sports. The sports ban applies to all sports teams sponsored by public schools, colleges and universities. A girls’ or women’s team will not be open to transgender students who identify as female.

AP News

 

[repoman]

Activist judges will toss this out.

Activist judges will have the U.S. be a neoliberal corporate hellhole sprinkled with window dressing of confused men in sports with women.

These trans are squeaky wheels getting the judicial kritarchy grease.

These athletes should have the self respect to not compete with women. It is wholly unethical to do so. A person with hiring authority seeing trans applicants who have and have not competed in cash prizes sports against women, the latter would probably be a better employee with less chance of going psycho.

 

[laughing dog]

Activist judges will toss this out.

Activist judges will have the U.S. be a neoliberal corporate hellhole sprinkled with window dressing of confused men in sports with women.

These trans are squeaky wheels getting the judicial kritarchy grease.

These athletes should have the self respect to not compete with women. It is wholly unethical to do so. A person with hiring authority seeing trans applicants who have and have not competed in cash prizes sports against women, the latter would probably be a better employee with less chance of going psycho.

LOL - activist judges.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, here are some facts for you:

1: you have absolutely no right to the knowledge of what is in someone else's pants.
2: the competitive advantage in sports is imparted by testosterone exposure, and if HRT or blockers were administered before puberty, that advantage does not exist. Arguably, it ceases to be meaningful following any medium to long term HRT administration even in adulthood.

The only persons in your life that need to know what parts you were born with are your doctor and your lover(s). The government doesn't need to know.

These laws are anti-transgender because they ignore both the right to medical privacy and the natural (but sadly not constitutionally enumerated) right to be considered for eligibility on the basis of valid criterion.

 

[Half-Life]

Born with a penis = male
Born with a vagina = female

The only exception are intersex / hermaphrodite people.

It's nonsensical to say, "I have a penis but I'm a woman! or "I have a vagina but I'm a man!"

Then you just made everything arbitrary. Men and women have no coherent meaning.

There's nothing stopping someone from saying, "I know I have white skin but I just feel like I'm black instead!" They are still white, don't you agree?

Even drug companies test drugs on men and women separately and differently. If Arnold Schwarzenegger identified as a woman, and the FDA decided to test a woman's drug on him, that would be beyond stupid, agree?

 

[seanie]

So, here are some facts for you:

1: you have absolutely no right to the knowledge of what is in someone else's pants.
2: the competitive advantage in sports is imparted by testosterone exposure, and if HRT or blockers were administered before puberty, that advantage does not exist. Arguably, it ceases to be meaningful following any medium to long term HRT administration even in adulthood.

The only persons in your life that need to know what parts you were born with are your doctor and your lover(s). The government doesn't need to know.

These laws are anti-transgender because they ignore both the right to medical privacy and the natural (but sadly not constitutionally enumerated) right to be considered for eligibility on the basis of valid criterion.

HRT or blockers being administered before puberty is not a pre-requisite being applied to allow participation in female sports by male born athletes who identify as female. Since you acknowledge an advantage without this, you obviously concede a physical difference between the two classifications.

And "arguably" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your second sentence. Evidence is limited, as little research has actually been done, but what has been does suggests that trans women, even after hormone treatment (which isn't a requirement to be trans) still retain significant physical advantages over women on average.

Sex segregation in most sports is done for a very good reason based on fundamental physiological differences between males and females. Segregating on the basis of gender identity is just silly.

 

[seanie]

So you don't accept sex segregated sports?

There should be no women's golf, soccer, tennis?

 

[seanie]

So, here are some facts for you:

1: you have absolutely no right to the knowledge of what is in someone else's pants.
2: the competitive advantage in sports is imparted by testosterone exposure, and if HRT or blockers were administered before puberty, that advantage does not exist. Arguably, it ceases to be meaningful following any medium to long term HRT administration even in adulthood.

The only persons in your life that need to know what parts you were born with are your doctor and your lover(s). The government doesn't need to know.

These laws are anti-transgender because they ignore both the right to medical privacy and the natural (but sadly not constitutionally enumerated) right to be considered for eligibility on the basis of valid criterion.

So you don't accept sex segregated sports?

There should be no women's golf, soccer, tennis?

Because if only you doctor and your lover(s) need to know your sex, how can anyone administrate sex segregated sports?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Even drug companies test drugs on men and women separately and differently. If Arnold Schwarzenegger identified as a woman, and the FDA decided to test a woman's drug on him, that would be beyond stupid, agree?

you know, last time you prattled this claim i asked you if you knew what a 'woman's drug'was? And could you explain why they would reject Arnold.
Would thry refuse to accept Arnold as a test patient for a breast cancer drug because he has a penis?

You said a grand total of fuck-all.

You cannot, it seems, actually refute any of the science involved in the development of sexual reassignment treatment. You just reject it and pretend your blanket statement is the scientific approach. But it's just bumperstickrr logic, Halfie.

 

[bilby]

Born with a penis = male
Born with a vagina = female

The only exception are intersex / hermaphrodite people.

It's nonsensical to say, "I have a penis but I'm a woman! or "I have a vagina but I'm a man!"

Then you just made everything arbitrary. Men and women have no coherent meaning.

There's nothing stopping someone from saying, "I know I have white skin but I just feel like I'm black instead!" They are still white, don't you agree?

Even drug companies test drugs on men and women separately and differently. If Arnold Schwarzenegger identified as a woman, and the FDA decided to test a woman's drug on him, that would be beyond stupid, agree?

It must be incredibly boring to genuinely believe that reality is as simple as you evidently believe it to be.

Not to mention constantly frustrating, as you keep encountering real things that just cannot be made to fit your worldview.

The temptation to forcibly eliminate the complexities of reality is understandable, but it's a path that leads to disaster.

There really is no substitute for accepting and learning about the complexity of the real world. You should try it sometime.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, here are some facts for you:

1: you have absolutely no right to the knowledge of what is in someone else's pants.
2: the competitive advantage in sports is imparted by testosterone exposure, and if HRT or blockers were administered before puberty, that advantage does not exist. Arguably, it ceases to be meaningful following any medium to long term HRT administration even in adulthood.

The only persons in your life that need to know what parts you were born with are your doctor and your lover(s). The government doesn't need to know.

These laws are anti-transgender because they ignore both the right to medical privacy and the natural (but sadly not constitutionally enumerated) right to be considered for eligibility on the basis of valid criterion.

HRT or blockers being administered before puberty is not a pre-requisite being applied to allow participation in female sports by male born athletes who identify as female. Since you acknowledge an advantage without this, you obviously concede a physical difference between the two classifications.

And "arguably" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your second sentence. Evidence is limited, as little research has actually been done, but what has been does suggests that trans women, even after hormone treatment (which isn't a requirement to be trans) still retain significant physical advantages over women on average.

Sex segregation in most sports is done for a very good reason based on fundamental physiological differences between males and females. Segregating on the basis of gender identity is just silly.

Those physiological differences you bang on about are not created in a vacuum. They have causes to the effects. Those causes are the hormones.

I'm not here to argue the cases created by a messy and ultimately human failure to be good to each other early and often. That would be expecting too much. Rather, offering a path forward, a compromise which acknowledges that there may be some lasting impacts of hormone exposure (whether over time that turns out a net benefit or a net loss is to be seen; I merely wish to argue the clear case exclusively). But regardless of that irrelevancy to my point, which you stepped away from in the first sentence: that is a situation that this law runs roughshod over. I provided the counterexample to the ethics of the law, showed how it is anti-trans. That was the bar. It was met.

You are right only insofar as we segregate sports on an imperfect proxy for what amounts to steroid exposure, and some jackasses seem to want to make a really big deal about forcing certain language to describe people in some official capacity when there is no actual need for that particular description in this context. That's what this is about.

Really, there is a tell in your argument that tells me that you just want to disadvantage and reject trans people: instead of offering a solution that helps trans people going forward without harming the integrity of sports, you propose to ban them forever from participation on the basis that it what, the actual correct prescription isn't currently a requirement? So turn the dial up from 0 to 11 instead of where it actually sounds good?

And the thing is, if we segregate by hormone exposure, we are not segregating strictly on the basis of sex OR gender identity.

 

[repoman]

At least you are saying that what someone's mental state of gender dysphoria is not part of the decision process here.

 

[Trausti]

 

[bilby]

No, we shall not.

What a fucking stupid thing to say - and to quote, apparently in an approving manner.

That you fear such improbable things simply shows us that your life is far too easy, and your brain, starved of the daily existential threats with which it evolved, is inventing things to be scared by; and that your higher bain functions are apparently insufficiently developed to override that primitive impulse.

That's very sad.

 

[Trausti]

No, we shall not.

What a fucking stupid thing to say - and to quote, apparently in an approving manner.

That you fear such improbable things simply shows us that your life is far too easy, and your brain, starved of the daily existential threats with which it evolved, is inventing things to be scared by; and that your higher bain functions are apparently insufficiently developed to override that primitive impulse.

That's very sad.

Fear? Your reaction to the quote shows fear. The rest of us are not denying reality and are simply pointing out the absurd beliefs of our present mystics. I've yet to see an explanation on how or why it is that for the rest of the animal kingdom, sexual dimorphism is an uncontroversial fact. Yet for humans, the only difference between men an woman is apparently hormones during puberty. FFS, how do people become so dumb?

 

[Trausti]

 

[Trausti]

"I'm actually wondering what are we trying to accomplish here? Are we trying to reduce the number of gay & lesbian adults?"

[video]https://archive.org/details/professorericvilainwhyarelesbianandgaychildrenbein gtransitioned1[/video]

 

[repoman]

Just sticking to XY males for now, there may a few ways in which they can become transgender.

There may be a very basic level section of the brain dealing with gender "proprioception" for the lack of a better word that is for the female in MTFs. These dedicated parts of the brain are crazy. Face blindness is one example of a dedicated face detection hardware not working. There is no backup that works as well as it.

There also could be many mental reasons having to do with our self image, position in society and so on.

For the former, lots of other mammals at least may have this happen. For the latter that is the human blessing and curse of these big brains.

Are some of these gay animals actually transgender in the specialized gender brain region in the same way as humans?

Gender is what sex you feel you are (or want to be treated as a stereotypical member of) and orientation is who you want to fuck.

Are there trans who want the body of the opposite sex but still want to be treated as their birth sex?

 

[Trausti]

Just sticking to XY males for now, there may a few ways in which they can become transgender.

There may be a very basic level section of the brain dealing with gender "proprioception" for the lack of a better word that is for a female.

There also could be many mental reasons having to do with our self image, position in society and so on.

For the former, lots of other mammals at least may have this happen. For the latter that is the human blessing and curse of these big brains.

Are some of these gay animals actually transgender in the specialized gender brain region in the same way as humans?

That a person may have a mental/psychological condition for feeling more comfortable as the opposite sex is fine. Life is messy. But that feeling does not cancel out millions of years of evolution.

 

[Trausti]

Greater male than female variability in regional brain structure across the lifespan

Abstract

For many traits, males show greater variability than females, with possible implications for understanding sex differences in health and disease. Here, the ENIGMA (Enhancing Neuro Imaging Genetics through Meta-Analysis) Consortium presents the largest-ever mega-analysis of sex differences in variability of brain structure, based on international data spanning nine decades of life. Subcortical volumes, cortical surface area and cortical thickness were assessed in MRI data of 16,683 healthy individuals 1-90 years old (47% females). We observed patterns of greater male than female between-subject variance for all brain measures. This pattern was stable across the lifespan for 50% of the subcortical structures, 70% of the regional area measures, and nearly all regions for thickness. Our findings that these sex differences are present in childhood implicate early life genetic or gene-environment interaction mechanisms. The findings highlight the importance of individual differences within the sexes, that may underpin sex-specific vulnerability to disorders.

What? Sex differences present in childhood? Before sacred puberty? Oh, noes!