I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

[Davka]

Give it up, Raven. Apparently your double X chromosomes make you incapable of behavior that is anything other than irrational, emotional, hysterical, and needlessly provocative towards policemen when your child is involved.

I, on the other hand, with my manly Y chromosome cancelling out the debilitating effects of that pesky X, never panicked when I lost track of my young children. I merely began to calmly and methodically scream bloody murder while threatening to deck anyone who attempted to stop me from finding my daughter. Because we men never, ever allow our emotions to get the best of us.

 

[RavenSky]

On a completely different note, here is a key problem with "cops" op-ed, in my opinion:

people who work in law enforcement know they are legally vested with the authority to detain suspects

He is writing the article in the Washington Post. He says:

if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me.

but he also immediately says:

Most field stops are complete in minutes.

In other words, his entire mentality is one of the general public being "suspects" involved in "field stops". As my story and the story of Matthew Clark and Gregory Malandrucco show, not every situation is a "suspect" in a "field stop". But if a police officer approaches every with the assumption that they are "suspects", and consequently expect

He says:

When they use force, they are defending their, or the public’s, safety.

This is clearly not true. When even Barbos is willing to acknowledge that Sergeant Pepper Spray was out of line, fallacies from authority will no longer work. Washington Post op-eds from "I’m a cop" are not going to convince anyone with eyes and a functioning brain that police only use force in the defense of public safety or their own.

 

[repoman]

 

[barbos]

RavenSky, calm down.
Scientific studies have shown there is no such thing as most trust-worthy witnesses. You need at least two independent witnesses saying the same thing for it to have any trust. And you are not even a witness in your story, you are one side of the conflict.

 

[RavenSky]

RavenSky, calm down.
Scientific studies have shown there is no such thing as most trust-worthy witnesses. You need at least two independent witnesses saying the same thing for it to have any trust. And you are not even a witness in your story, you are one side of the conflict.

You are the one who has invested an amazing amount of energy defending a bully cop, and you are the one still trying to make this thread all about me. This thread isn't about me, nor about your piss poor attitude towards women. The more you insist on trying to make it about me, the more you show yourself to be a horse's ass.

You clearly have nothing worthwhile to contribute regarding my experience with the bully cop, so why don't you just quit with your idiotic insults. Buh bye.

 

[barbos]

RavenSky, calm down.
Scientific studies have shown there is no such thing as most trust-worthy witnesses. You need at least two independent witnesses saying the same thing for it to have any trust. And you are not even a witness in your story, you are one side of the conflict.

You are the one who has invested an amazing amount of energy defending a bully cop, and you are the one still trying to make this thread all about me. This thread isn't about me, nor about your piss poor attitude towards women. The more you insist on trying to make it about me, the more you show yourself to be a horse's ass.

You clearly have nothing worthwhile to contribute regarding my experience with the bully cop, so why don't you just quit trying to insult me.

My point in this thread was and still is, public are often at fault, not the police, and I think you may be an example of that. I have nothing against you I just doubt that your version is what really happened and this doubt is supported by statistics. You need to relax and stop talking on a cell phone while driving your daughter to a concert, it's much more dangerous then going into different lines

 

[Davka]

WTF is all this condescending "calm down" and "relax" bullshit, barbos? Are you living in a 1950s sit-com where women who express anger are irrational crazies on the verge of a meltdown?

Here's an idea: why don't you fucking EVOLVE at least a little bit before trying to lay your paternalistic crap on Internet strangers. It's the 21st century, not the Middle Ages.

 

[Nexus]

I have nothing against you I just doubt that your version is what really happened and this doubt is supported by statistics.

What statistics? Have there been surveys that show most women that complain about treatment by the police are lying hysterics?

 

[barbos]

WTF is all this condescending "calm down" and "relax" bullshit, barbos? Are you living in a 1950s sit-com where women who express anger are irrational crazies on the verge of a meltdown?

Here's an idea: why don't you fucking EVOLVE at least a little bit before trying to lay your paternalistic crap on Internet strangers. It's the 21st century, not the Middle Ages.

You stop condescend on Russia then I will consider your suggestion
Anyway, I am glad you criticize my style, that means you agree with substance

And yes, people who talk on cell phones while driving piss me off way more than police.

 

[Davka]

WTF is all this condescending "calm down" and "relax" bullshit, barbos? Are you living in a 1950s sit-com where women who express anger are irrational crazies on the verge of a meltdown?

Here's an idea: why don't you fucking EVOLVE at least a little bit before trying to lay your paternalistic crap on Internet strangers. It's the 21st century, not the Middle Ages.

You stop condescend on Russia then I will consider your suggestion

I'm not condescending on Russia, I'm realistic and honest.

Anyway, I am glad you criticize my style, that means you agree with substance

Um - no. That's not how this works. Your style is condescending paternalism, and your substance is pure bullshit.

And yes, people who talk on cell phones while driving piss me off way more than police.

I'd say they are equally annoying for different reasons. But bully policemen are far worse than inconsiderate civilians.

 

[barbos]

You stop condescend on Russia then I will consider your suggestion

I'm not condescending on Russia, I'm realistic and honest.

You are a bit like than policeman toward Russia

Anyway, I am glad you criticize my style, that means you agree with substance

Um - no. That's not how this works. Your style is condescending paternalism, and your substance is pure bullshit.

I agree with "condescending" but bullshit no.

And yes, people who talk on cell phones while driving piss me off way more than police.

I'd say they are equally annoying for different reasons. But bully policemen are far worse than inconsiderate civilians.

Have never met a bully policeman, lot of cellphone drivers though. That's my anecdotal statistics.

 

[Arctish]

You are the one who has invested an amazing amount of energy defending a bully cop, and you are the one still trying to make this thread all about me. This thread isn't about me, nor about your piss poor attitude towards women. The more you insist on trying to make it about me, the more you show yourself to be a horse's ass.

You clearly have nothing worthwhile to contribute regarding my experience with the bully cop, so why don't you just quit trying to insult me.

My point in this thread was and still is, public are often at fault, not the police, and I think you may be an example of that. I have nothing against you I just doubt that your version is what really happened and this doubt is supported by statistics. You need to relax and stop talking on a cell phone while driving your daughter to a concert, it's much more dangerous then going into different lines.

barbos, you need to relax. Inventing inflammatory bullshit isn't distracting readers from your inability to come up with a rational justification for the cop's actions as reported by RavenSky.

Have you ever been to the Smithsonian Museums in Washington D.C.? I've been there a couple of times. They have the exact same security screening process RavenSky described. People with bags must go through one line. People without bags must go through a different line that moves faster. Mothers and children were routinely separated at the screening point and reunited once inside the museums because in nearly every case the mothers were carrying purses, diaper bags, and all the gear the family was packing around and the kids were unburdened. In some cases fathers were carrying camera bags, but that was unusual.

Anyway, the point is that any guard working that screening point would know that the first thing mothers do when they get through the line is look for their kids. That particular cop should have known it, too, and probably did.

If you can come up with a rational reason why a cop would interfere with a mother seeking her child in a crowd, please post it. Of you can't, then at least have the grace to admit that the cop's behavior as reported by RavenSky was unreasonable and just plain bullying.

 

[barbos]

If you can come up with a rational reason why a cop would interfere with a mother seeking her child in a crowd, please post it.

Here is one, cop was just back from Iraq and thought she could be a distraction used to help smuggle an explosive device to the concert.

Of you can't, then at least have the grace to admit that the cop's behavior as reported by RavenSky was unreasonable and just plain bullying.

As reported, cop looks bad, there is no need to admit it. But that's a description from interested party.
Whereas in both my anecdotes I was not really an interested party.

 

[RavenSky]

My point in this thread was and still is, public are often at fault, not the police

Yes, I know what your opinion is - including your stated but clearly biased and fucked-up opinion of women. Unfortunately for you and your contributions to this thread, your opinions have no basis in reality with regard to my experience with the bully cop.

and I think you may be an example of that. I have nothing against you I just doubt that your version is what really happened

Yes, I am quite aware that you *doubt* my "version" of events, and I am well aware that your irrational opinion is based on your anti-woman, anti-mother biases. As such, your *doubt* really isn't worth the time is takes you to keep repeating it over and over and over

and this doubt is supported by statistics.

bullshit

You need to relax and stop talking on a cell phone while driving your daughter to a concert, it's much more dangerous then going into different lines

Reported for TOU

 

[laughing dog]

RavenSky, calm down.
Scientific studies have shown there is no such thing as most trust-worthy witnesses. You need at least two independent witnesses saying the same thing for it to have any trust.

Bullshit.

And you are not even a witness in your story, you are one side of the conflict.

WTF? Of course she is a witness to the events in her life.

 

[barbos]

People who on a number of occasions accused me of using anecdotes are violently lashing at me for pointing out the same. Is not that ironic.

 

[barbos]

Yes, I am quite aware that you *doubt* my "version" of events, and I am well aware that your irrational opinion is based on your anti-woman, anti-mother biases.

Since when I am all that? Since when I said that women are bad at math?

 

[ksen]

People who on a number of occasions accused me of using anecdotes are violently lashing at me for pointing out the same. Is not that ironic.

whoa, stop getting hysterical.

maybe you should get your estrogen levels checked, they seem a bit high

 

[Arctish]

If you can come up with a rational reason why a cop would interfere with a mother seeking her child in a crowd, please post it.

Here is one, cop was just back from Iraq and thought she could be a distraction used to help smuggle an explosive device to the concert.

That's not rational. If he thought she might be acting as a distraction (by doing what every other mother was doing after going through screening) why would he be spending his time pushing her around instead of reporting the possible threat? If you think Person A is attempting to distract onlookers from what Persons B and C are doing, you don't stand there focusing on whether or not Person A's toes are on the grass.

Of you can't, then at least have the grace to admit that the cop's behavior as reported by RavenSky was unreasonable and just plain bullying.

As reported, cop looks bad, there is no need to admit it.

Actually there is. There is a need to admit bullying asshole cops exist and that everyday ordinary people have the misfortune to meet them. Otherwise, there can be no hope of improving the situation so that more cops live up to the polite professionalism of an Officer Friendly and fewer cops act like Bull Connor

 

[barbos]

And statistics is not on your side, a lot of people accuse police of abuse but most of the time on closer inspection it turns out not so clear.

This is probably the most false assertion every made about police abuse.
First, they don't even keep statistics on how many people they shoot or kill so they sure as hell aren't keeping accurate track of how many people are abused. Second, other police are doing the closer inspections and their bias is no longer trusted by the public.

I detect fellow Daily Show watcher
I like Daily Show and such but you need to be careful when referring to them as factual news program, they are not. In any case, we are not talking about police shooting people. We are talking about overall public impression of the police, and trust me, it's not nearly as bad as this board tries to picture.