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And if MM weren't so damn wrong one could at least take him semi-seriously. But to claim to have 'read up' on something as trivial as this, and the bloody wikipedia page shows how wrong he is.... well, that smells of something other than intellectual honesty.

No, I said I read an encyclopedia of Serial killers and didn't recall any from when Bob Hope was a youngster. That wasn't A lie. I simply couldn't recall a serial killer from that time.

Now you're defending you wrongness.

Bob hope was born in 1903. From the wiki list there were almost twenty serial killers active between 1900 and 1920.

Considering your poor showing of your research on serial killers, it makes me wonder about the quality of your research on fascism. I'm suspecting a shit-ton of confirmation bias.
 
And if MM weren't so damn wrong one could at least take him semi-seriously. But to claim to have 'read up' on something as trivial as this, and the bloody wikipedia page shows how wrong he is.... well, that smells of something other than intellectual honesty.

No, I said I read an encyclopedia of Serial killers and didn't recall any from when Bob Hope was a youngster. That wasn't A lie. I simply couldn't recall a serial killer from that time.

Now you're defending you wrongness.

Bob hope was born in 1903. From the wiki list there were almost twenty serial killers active between 1900 and 1920.

Considering your poor showing of your research on serial killers, it makes me wonder about the quality of your research on fascism. I'm suspecting a shit-ton of confirmation bias.

I studied serial killers as a kid. I said I could not "RECALL" any from that young Bob Hope time period. I then said "BUT I'M PROBABLY WRONG".

I did not study every serial killer. I studied roughly 20 of them.

I never claimed to do a thorough study on serial killers which is why I said " I'm probably wrong ".

I have done a thorough study on Fascism and the life of Benito Mussolini.
 
The Qur'an is full of violence

So is the Bible.

And the Qur'an contains amputation of limbs , crucifixion, pouring boiling water on faces, and barbaric tortures for those who oppose Muhammad.

God ordered Jews to annihilate gentiles on occasion, but he never said to amputate hands and feet and torture them to death in the most gruesome psychopathic ways that Muslims act out in my lifetime.

Also, when Christians rape children or murder, they do the opposite of what Christ taught. When Muslims rape children and murder, they do what Muhammad did.

Big difference!
 
The Doctrine of Fascism is the essence of Fascism and is without violence or racism, therefore Fascism in it's intrinsic nature is peaceful.

Democracy is racist and violent by your logic, because look at all the racist laws we had in America, genocide of Indians, and the terrorist attacks on civilians when we dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

No, that was not a reflection of Democracy. Neither is behavior of Fascists a reflection of the intrinsic nature and essence of Fascism.

The Doctrine of Fascism has no violence, so...

So how come all fascist dictatorships ended up being incredibly violent, constantly searching for anything weak to attack. Italy wasn't the only fascist state. Argentina under Peron. Chile under Pinochet. Syria under Assad. Iraq under Saddam. Turkey under Atatürk. Spain under Franco. Japan under Kunoye. Hungary under Horthy. While Germany under Hitler technically isn't fascism. It certainly comes pretty damn close. Not to mention the large group of fascist dictators in banana republics and in Africa.

All very similar. All a complete shit show of corrupt governments committing gross acts of violence upon it's own population and most often others.

If the doctrine of fascism doesn't preach violence, how come that's always how it's ended up being? They're ALL the same. There's no example of a fascist state that hasn't turned into an orgy of violence upon it's own population. And the degree of violence is another point. They're unsurpassed in the grotesqueness of the violence. Their torture methods are the cruelest humanity has ever devised. And they didn't hesitate to use it. They would execute people for the mildest of transgressions.

Your point of fascism being a peaceful ideology is a hard sell. You'd might as well convince me that Stalin was the friend of the working class.
 
Yeah, I get it.
Personally, I'm tired of being told to have empathy for people like Andrea Constand and George Floyd.

But there you have it.
Tom
Really? Ok, well, I guess MM isn't the biggest asshole in this thread then.

I don't think Matt breaks into the top 5.
Tom
 
That's why the Bible sucks.

Don't get me wrong...there is an enormous amount of good in the Bible, but I'm a Shinto, meaning I reject Scripture because it goes against my conscience and is bad for my mental health.

For someone who rejects scripture, you sure do bring it up a lot to support your arguments.

I take what doesn't go against my conscience. I didn't say it's all falsehood. I just don't believe it is without error
 
Now you're defending you wrongness.

Bob hope was born in 1903. From the wiki list there were almost twenty serial killers active between 1900 and 1920.

Considering your poor showing of your research on serial killers, it makes me wonder about the quality of your research on fascism. I'm suspecting a shit-ton of confirmation bias.

I studied serial killers as a kid. I said I could not "RECALL" any from that young Bob Hope time period. I then said "BUT I'M PROBABLY WRONG".

I did not study every serial killer. I studied roughly 20 of them.

I never claimed to do a thorough study on serial killers which is why I said " I'm probably wrong ".

I have done a thorough study on Fascism and the life of Benito Mussolini.

And yet today you're an adult and still using your child based arguments.
 
That's why the Bible sucks.

Don't get me wrong...there is an enormous amount of good in the Bible, but I'm a Shinto, meaning I reject Scripture because it goes against my conscience and is bad for my mental health.

For someone who rejects scripture, you sure do bring it up a lot to support your arguments.

I'm a vaguely deistic agnostic.

But I live in a culture dominated by Abrahamic religionists in general, and Christians in particular. Some conversations are difficult to have without referring to Scripture.

Especially anything referring to ideology.
Tom
 
For someone who rejects scripture, you sure do bring it up a lot to support your arguments.

I take what doesn't go against my conscience. I didn't say it's all falsehood. I just don't believe it is without error

How far did you go with English Classes?
You did not say you reject some scripture. You say you're Shinto exactly because you reject scripture, and Shinto doesn't have any.
But you reject Islam because of the scripture in the Koran, for example. That's not rejecting scripture....
 
For someone who rejects scripture, you sure do bring it up a lot to support your arguments.

I'm a vaguely deistic agnostic.

But I live in a culture dominated by Abrahamic religionists in general, and Christians in particular. Some conversations are difficult to have without referring to Scripture.

Especially anything referring to ideology.
Tom
yeah, i mean there's pop music quoting Ecclesiastes, cliches from various litany, etc.

But this isn't just referring to scripture, he's using holy writings as his evidence. "Islam is violent, i know because SCRIPTURE."

If i say, "i reject math" i should not also say, "and my calculations indicate...."
 
Mussolini kept families together, eliminated unwanted pregnancies ( practically), outlawed pornography, closed down night clubs and places of immorality, censored the entertainment industry from pushing hedonism, lowered crime, made a safe country for children with few rapists and pedophiles, taught children to fire guns in youth groups yet had no school shootings, taught men to be real men, didn'
...survived five assassination attempts including getting shot point blank in the face and poisoned by a mistress,...

So...st. mussolini had a mistress?

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For someone who rejects scripture, you sure do bring it up a lot to support your arguments.

I take what doesn't go against my conscience. I didn't say it's all falsehood. I just don't believe it is without error

How far did you go with English Classes?
You did not say you reject some scripture. You say you're Shinto exactly because you reject scripture, and Shinto doesn't have any.
But you reject Islam because of the scripture in the Koran, for example. That's not rejecting scripture....

Some of what people call Scripture is historical accounts. If I find wisdom or proverbs that don't go against my conscience, I choose to reflect on it or practice it. But I almost never read the Bible. Even atheists should know the Bible to know how to debate theists.

Just because I think some of the Bible is true, doesn't mean I believe in Scripture. I believe in some of the world book encyclopedia too, that doesn't make it Scripture.

And yes, I am Shinto, and I do reject Scripture.
 
The Doctrine of Fascism is the essence of Fascism and is without violence or racism, therefore Fascism in it's intrinsic nature is peaceful.

Democracy is racist and violent by your logic, because look at all the racist laws we had in America, genocide of Indians, and the terrorist attacks on civilians when we dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

No, that was not a reflection of Democracy. Neither is behavior of Fascists a reflection of the intrinsic nature and essence of Fascism.

The Doctrine of Fascism has no violence, so...

So how come all fascist dictatorships ended up being incredibly violent, constantly searching for anything weak to attack. Italy wasn't the only fascist state. Argentina under Peron. Chile under Pinochet. Syria under Assad. Iraq under Saddam. Turkey under Atatürk. Spain under Franco. Japan under Kunoye. Hungary under Horthy. While Germany under Hitler technically isn't fascism. It certainly comes pretty damn close. Not to mention the large group of fascist dictators in banana republics and in Africa.

All very similar. All a complete shit show of corrupt governments committing gross acts of violence upon it's own population and most often others.

If the doctrine of fascism doesn't preach violence, how come that's always how it's ended up being? They're ALL the same. There's no example of a fascist state that hasn't turned into an orgy of violence upon it's own population. And the degree of violence is another point. They're unsurpassed in the grotesqueness of the violence. Their torture methods are the cruelest humanity has ever devised. And they didn't hesitate to use it. They would execute people for the mildest of transgressions.

Your point of fascism being a peaceful ideology is a hard sell. You'd might as well convince me that Stalin was the friend of the working class.

For the same reason Democracies can be so violent.

In the 20th century, I'm guessing atheist regimes killed five times as many people as Fascists. Does that make Atheism violent?
 
How far did you go with English Classes?
You did not say you reject some scripture. You say you're Shinto exactly because you reject scripture, and Shinto doesn't have any.
But you reject Islam because of the scripture in the Koran, for example. That's not rejecting scripture....

Some of what people call Scripture is historical accounts. If I find wisdom or proverbs that don't go against my conscience, I choose to reflect on it or practice it. But I almost never read the Bible. Even atheists should know the Bible to know how to debate theists.

Just because I think some of the Bible is true, doesn't mean I believe in Scripture. I believe in some of the world book encyclopedia too, that doesn't make it Scripture.

And yes, I am Shinto, and I do reject Scripture.

Except the scripture of fascism.
 
Some of what people call Scripture is historical accounts.
So your stand on scripture is still unknown, until you define scripture.
And identify the scriptures you do not reject.
So, again, maybe you should try to communicate, rather than take stances you don't really mean?
If I find wisdom or proverbs that don't go against my conscience, I choose to reflect on it or practice it.
Why?
If you already have a conscience, why adopt something from litany?
But I almost never read the Bible. Even atheists should know the Bible to know how to debate theists.
scripture runs deep in our culture. We should understand the themes and stories of The Books in order to know what people are saying, or alluding to, or invoking. Also, to know if a theological point that someone believes is true of Hell comes from The Books or The Divine Comedy.
Just because I think some of the Bible is true, doesn't mean I believe in Scripture. I believe in some of the world book encyclopedia too, that doesn't make it Scripture.
i think you have this a bit backwards.

What, exactly, do you use as a definition of 'scripture?'
And yes, I am Shinto, and I do reject Scripture.
no, you do not.
 
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