Ima need a fool to fall down. TRUMP YOU FOOL, FALL DOWN! (Or why there really was a reason for the US Civil War)

[fromderinside]

That's correct - Lincoln precipitated the war by refusing to allow slavery in the new territories. I'm sure Cheato would have been very happy - eager, even - to 'compromise' on that.

Hmm, interesting. I thought we were talking about what Andrew Jackson would have done. Given he was a slaveholding southern Democrat with a pro-union track record one imagines he would have been less likely to foment secession.

Pro union. Allowing states to regulate and establish banks and to print money? Pro union. BS!!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hmm, interesting. I thought we were talking about what Andrew Jackson would have done. Given he was a slaveholding southern Democrat with a pro-union track record one imagines he would have been less likely to foment secession.

Pro union. Allowing states to regulate and establish banks? Pro union. BS!!

Well, he was pro-Florida being in the Union.

 

[dismal]

Hmm, interesting. I thought we were talking about what Andrew Jackson would have done. Given he was a slaveholding southern Democrat with a pro-union track record one imagines he would have been less likely to foment secession.

Pro union. Allowing states to regulate and establish banks? Pro union. BS!!

Try googling "Andrew Jackson nullification crisis".

 

[fromderinside]

Pro union. Allowing states to regulate and establish banks? Pro union. BS!!

Try googling "Andrew Jackson nullification crisis".

That is countered by:When banks were able to print their own money https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...-were-able-to-print-their-own-money-literally

...sand I suggest by the issueance of  Specie Circular.

 

[dismal]

Try googling "Andrew Jackson nullification crisis".

That is countered by:When banks were able to print their own money https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...-were-able-to-print-their-own-money-literally

...sand I suggest by the issueance of  Specie Circular.

Given the issue here is secession, it seems like Jackson's pro-unionism during the nullification crisis is a tad more relevant.

 

[jonatha]

You are suggesting that if John C. Breckenridge had been elected in November 1860, the 8 secessionist states that had not at that point held elections for the House would have done so, and the war would have been averted despite the President's party's loss of 53 seats in the House and the Republicans' majority in both chambers?

Historians (not me) largely view the election of Lincoln as having precipitated the civil war. I believe this is a rather conventional view. You ought to be able to confirm this with some minimal research.

While one can speculate greatly about events in an alternative history wherein Andrew Jackson is president in 1860, it seems hard to avoid the conclusion that this would mean Lincoln wasn't elected in 1860.

I see I need to Trumpify my vocabulary...

The second greatest President in history might have had trouble controlling history with the opposition in charge of Congress. Sad.

 

[Elixir]

That's correct - Lincoln precipitated the war by refusing to allow slavery in the new territories. I'm sure Cheato would have been very happy - eager, even - to 'compromise' on that.

Hmm, interesting. I thought we were talking about what Andrew Jackson would have done. Given he was a slaveholding southern Democrat with a pro-union track record one imagines he would have been less likely to foment secession.

Absolutely. If Jackson had survived and was President at the time, things likely would have gone Cheato's way, and we'd still have slavery. There is nothing to suggest that Cheato would have any problem with that, so he is probably correct saying he could have prevented the Civil War. And just think of the economy! It would still be booming, if the goddam yankees hadn't ruined it by taking away their slave free labor!

 

[fromderinside]

That is countered by:When banks were able to print their own money https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...-were-able-to-print-their-own-money-literally

...sand I suggest by the issueance of  Specie Circular.

Given the issue here is secession, it seems like Jackson's pro-unionism during the nullification crisis is a tad more relevant.

Obviously I disagree. Couple hard money federal government and everybody gets to play state government one could not but presume favoring limiting the right of SC to have separate tariff really doesn't get to pro/anti union. Two bills, force bill and tarrif favoring SC position Bill suggests purely political for the moment.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Seems to me that DT was trying to put the pieces together from what he recalled from history classes and history documentaries.

Less than that, in my opinion. He was just in Tennessee, and was going on and on about how "they love Andrew Jackson in Tennessee". All he was doing was parroting some misinformation some confederate-flag waving knuckle-dragger said to him while he was there, much like he parrots faux-news on a regular basis.

Now to be fair, The Donald could have been told good information and then muddled it all by himself.

 

[dismal]

Given the issue here is secession, it seems like Jackson's pro-unionism during the nullification crisis is a tad more relevant.

Obviously I disagree. Couple hard money federal government and everybody gets to play state government one could not but presume favoring limiting the right of SC to have separate tariff really doesn't get to pro/anti union. Two bills, force bill and tarrif favoring SC position Bill suggests purely political for the moment.

Yeah, right, that's obviously more relevant in a discussion about he would deal with secession as President than an prior secession crisis. When he was President.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Y'all do know if Jackson had been elected in 1860, he would have been 93 years old and most likely senile, crippled, deaf and blind. right?

 

[Ford]

Less than that, in my opinion. He was just in Tennessee, and was going on and on about how "they love Andrew Jackson in Tennessee". All he was doing was parroting some misinformation some confederate-flag waving knuckle-dragger said to him while he was there, much like he parrots faux-news on a regular basis.

Now to be fair, The Donald could have been told good information and then muddled it all by himself.

According to this article, all that good information came from the fountain of all good information in Trumpland:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/01/donald-trump-s-andrew-jackson-civil-war-answer-is-all-steve-bannon

If you’re wondering why Donald Trump enjoys chatting about Andrew Jackson so much, the answer to that question is Stephen Bannon, the chief strategist in the Trump White House.

As The Daily Beast reported in March, Bannon has, since the 2016 presidential campaign, actively pushed Trump to learn more about Jackson and to play up comparisons, however flawed, between Jackson’s populism and Trumpian nationalist-populist rhetoric and themes. In March, Trump even made a high-profile visit to Jackson’s Nashville tomb, where Trump solemnly saluted the deceased president.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Y'all do know if Jackson had been elected in 1860, he would have been 93 years old and most likely senile, crippled, deaf and blind. right?

So still more competent than 45.

 

[Elixir]

Yeah, right, that's obviously more relevant in a discussion about he would deal with secession as President than an prior secession crisis. When he was President.

There's no "discussion" about that. Cheato has as much as admitted that he'd have permitted slavery in the new territories.
Is anyone surprised?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Historians (not me) largely view the election of Lincoln as having precipitated the civil war.

You mean the attempted Secession of the southern states. It'd be the rebel attack on Fort Sumter that would start the Civil War.

 

[dismal]

Historians (not me) largely view the election of Lincoln as having precipitated the civil war.

You mean the attempted Secession of the southern states. It'd be the rebel attack on Fort Sumter that would start the Civil War.

You better get over to wikipedia and fix it Jimmy.

The United States presidential election of 1860 was the nineteenth quadrennial presidential election to select the President and Vice President of the United States. The election was held on Tuesday, November 6, 1860, and served as the immediate impetus for the outbreak of the American Civil War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860

 

[fromderinside]

So a Russian inspired secession crisis in CA will make Trump a pro union gee. Wow. All because el cheato wants to punish cities and states for not going out of their way to gather up non citizen working migrants just like the US wanted to impose unreasonable tariff laws SC back in the day. He was an economy busting asshole who was consistent in busting economies and el cheato is a law and order busting asshole. You my friend? No. Then here's a little bad ass hate for you kind of guys they are and were.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You mean the attempted Secession of the southern states. It'd be the rebel attack on Fort Sumter that would start the Civil War.

You better get over to wikipedia and fix it Jimmy.

The United States presidential election of 1860 was the nineteenth quadrennial presidential election to select the President and Vice President of the United States. The election was held on Tuesday, November 6, 1860, and served as the immediate impetus for the outbreak of the American Civil War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860

Oh, I get it, you mean that the southern reaction to the results of a fair and democratic election was what precipitated the Civil War.

 

[laughing dog]

Historians view the election of Lincoln as precipitating secession.

South Carolina precipitated the war by bombarding Fort Sumter.

Stop splitting those hairs.

 

[laughing dog]

You better get over to wikipedia and fix it Jimmy.

The United States presidential election of 1860 was the nineteenth quadrennial presidential election to select the President and Vice President of the United States. The election was held on Tuesday, November 6, 1860, and served as the immediate impetus for the outbreak of the American Civil War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860

Oh, I get it, you mean that the southern reaction to the results of a fair and democratic election was what precipitated the Civil War.

Apparently an election in November immediately caused the start of the Civil War five months later in April.

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Chelsea Clinton: "When Andrew Jackson died in 1845 (16 yrs before the Civil War began), he owned 150 men, women and children."

To be fair, Trump's friend Frederick Douglas is not around to help with these nitpicking details.