Immigration Issues

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Oh for the love of god. A quarter of the people sent to Dachau died there. How many inmates have died at Alligator Alcatraz?

I agree the comparison is flawed, but your metric is also a bit misleading. You are looking at the end result of a 12-year process and applying it to the beginning. The Dachau death rate increased over time with a full third of deaths occurring in the last year and with epidemics and other peak issues occurring many years after establishment. It's also a bit difficult to answer such a question as how many people died at AA since there is a lot of information lacking and people who have disappeared from tracking. I am skeptical that the vast majority of those people were murdered or died in custody but I don't think we have a full account of the data to give a number of deaths.

 

[unapologetic]

so they're being detained pending hearings

No hearings were scheduled. No lawyers were allowed. No due process. No oversight. Not a 'jail'. A 'camp', out in the middle of nowhere. Like Alcatraz, not a 'holding' place, a final PRISON.

If none have had their hearings then how could you possibly know there's no evidence to support any of that?

You don't fucking know either. No records. There wasn't gonna BE hearings. That's the point. No oversight. No due process.

How many inmates have died at Alligator Alcatraz?

Fourtinately they weren't there long enough.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Well, Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Jacob Frey have done it again. Stirred up emotions to prompt another soft headed and gullible stooge to interfere with federal agents and tragically, the stooge has been killed.

An ICU nurse with a legal firearm was murdered in cold blood by renegade Trump thugs terrorizing an American city.
The cowardly fascists didn’t even SEE the gun until six of them pinned him to the ground. When they saw it they were scared. So they killed him because they could get away with it.
Apologists like Swiz are disgusting.

Weird how the "all lives matter" crowd is defending these murders now.

 

[Elixir]

“You people”? What are you on about?

How fucking stupid ARE you?
He means trumpsuckers like you, who support terrorizing Americans who did not support their deranged choice for president.

 

[pood]

The USA is such as weird place now. I was never content in my UK homeland, I always wanted to leave. I really wanted to go to someplace like Spain, Portugal, Italy or maybe the USA. Growing up in the UK the USA always seemed a great place because most of the TV programs and movies presented a positive image, Beverly Hills 90210, Cheers, Beverly Hills Cop etc. Even the crime movies made it exciting, Dirty Harry, The Streets of San Francisco. Anyway, as a youngish IT professional in the early 90s I got an opportunity to work in Los Angeles and came here on an H1B and have been a naturalized US citizen for quite a while. But my view of the USA is no longer the starry eyed immigrant that sees a land of opportunity. I am very skeptical of the way the USA is socially structured. It seems to me that the USA consists of a top tier of people, an exclusive social club that runs the USA as its own private club. Membership is strictly controlled as is the opportunity for plebs to join. I see a deliberate tier system where the illegals are kept at the bottom of the totem pole, crushed beneath a dysfunctional immigration system that will keep them and their children cleaning the toilets etc while the elites get to lord over them. I have done well coming to the USA but I have been lucky in regards to timing. I would not come to the USA now. The USA may still seem attractive to developing countries or countries mired in strife but the USA does not offer much in the way of opportunity. Something is sick within its society.

You wrote something sensible!

And how do you figure that … Trump is some kind of solution to all this?

 

[Elixir]

Ordinary jails are full of prisoners who haven't had trials.

All of whom have had the opportunity to talk to a lawyer and/or have been assigned one to represent them. False equivalence noted.
The question “why does Bomb#20 who certainly knows better, drawvfskse equivalences?” raised its ugly head.

That's what happens when police arrest someone -- he's detained while awaiting trial, held based on what he's accused of, not what he's convicted of.

Yeah, sometimes they even tell them what they’re accused of.

Do you feel that means an ordinary jail is a concentration camp and accused burglars are a persecuted minority?

Stupid question; another attempt to draw a false equivalence.
Shame, B20. Keep pretending this is “normal” if it comforts you. I’m pretty sure the thought police won’t target you for that particular delusion.

 

[Elixir]

Something is sick within its society.

Good post, very perceptive for someone with a bag over their head.
I strongly suggest Portugal; it’s a fairly egalitarian State, but you will find that governing bodies, even in the “free world”
tend to have rich people “clubs” that congeal around them.
If you start now you could be outa this shithole by the time the rich people stop protecting you next fall.
Bon fucking voyage.

 

[pood]

What you’re describing, the hierarchy, the gatekeeping, the illusion of mobility, isn’t new. It’s just more visible now. America has always had tiers. But more people are waking up to the fact that this country doesn’t run on merit, it runs on carefully managed access and the preservation of privilege for those deemed part of the in-group. Or as I put it: this system protects those tied to the “right kind” of blood that built the empire. The rest of us? We were always expected to serve beneath it.

Your story matters because it shows that even those who come here legally, with skills and ambition, still hit the wall, that moment when you realize this place isn’t broken. It’s working exactly as intended. Some of us never had the chance to believe in the American Dream. We were born under a ceiling that started pressing down before we even learned how to speak.

It's hard to put a finger on it but you have said it better than I did. This is the stuff of conspiracy theory but the USA does seem to be set up the way you described and for the reasons you state.

Same thing for the fossil-fuel company elites that suppressed their own scientific studies dating to the 1960s confirming human-induced climate change. You can look it up.

No different than tobacco companies suppressing their own scientific studies in the 1930s confirming the link between cigarette smoking and cancer.

 

[pood]

So if the mugger is an agent of the government, got it. How does that boot taste?

Yet, what is the actual argument for the government as a “mugger,” apart from murderous ICE agents and policies that funnel money from the poor and the middle class into oligarchs who buy elections?

Is Social Security, which so many people depend on, mugging? Medicare? Medicaid? The civil rights acts? All these are “muggings?”

In most cases likening the government to a mugger is just rhetorical performance art by libertarians and people like Ayn Rand.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Let's not get tedious and pedantic with this one.

Indeed. It's always tedious and pedantic when someone correctly points out that you are wrong, isn't it.

This really the hill you want to die on?

ICE has murdered two US civilians with the blessing of the Trump Admin in DHS and DoJ. And this is the pedantic shit you are whining about?

 

[scombrid]

Well, Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Jacob Frey have done it again. Stirred up emotions to prompt another soft headed and gullible stooge to interfere with federal agents and tragically, the stooge has been killed. Cannon fodder for the clowns Tim and Frey.

I wish they had mowed you people down on the steps of the Capitol. My SHTF retribution list just keeps getting longer and longer.

“You people”? What are you on about? Interesting that you would be okay with “mowing people down” when you find that behavior objectionable.

In any event, this has been another tragic and totally avoidable incident but unfortunately there will probably more thanks to the irresponsible rhetoric of clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey.

You people are gleeful when the government kills some “soy boy”. Fair is fair.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The USA is such as weird place now. I was never content in my UK homeland, I always wanted to leave. I really wanted to go to someplace like Spain, Portugal, Italy or maybe the USA. Growing up in the UK the USA always seemed a great place because most of the TV programs and movies presented a positive image, Beverly Hills 90210, Cheers, Beverly Hills Cop etc. Even the crime movies made it exciting, Dirty Harry, The Streets of San Francisco. Anyway, as a youngish IT professional in the early 90s I got an opportunity to work in Los Angeles and came here on an H1B and have been a naturalized US citizen for quite a while. But my view of the USA is no longer the starry eyed immigrant that sees a land of opportunity. I am very skeptical of the way the USA is socially structured. It seems to me that the USA consists of a top tier of people, an exclusive social club that runs the USA as its own private club. Membership is strictly controlled as is the opportunity for plebs to join. I see a deliberate tier system where the illegals are kept at the bottom of the totem pole, crushed beneath a dysfunctional immigration system that will keep them and their children cleaning the toilets etc while the elites get to lord over them. I have done well coming to the USA but I have been lucky in regards to timing. I would not come to the USA now. The USA may still seem attractive to developing countries or countries mired in strife but the USA does not offer much in the way of opportunity. Something is sick within its society.

Well, comrade, if equality is truly one of your primary values, then you've been choosing the wrong political allies.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Something is sick within its society.

You included.

 

[TSwizzle]

Well, Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Jacob Frey have done it again. Stirred up emotions to prompt another soft headed and gullible stooge to interfere with federal agents and tragically, the stooge has been killed. Cannon fodder for the clowns Tim and Frey.

I wish they had mowed you people down on the steps of the Capitol. My SHTF retribution list just keeps getting longer and longer.

“You people”? What are you on about? Interesting that you would be okay with “mowing people down” when you find that behavior objectionable.

In any event, this has been another tragic and totally avoidable incident but unfortunately there will probably more thanks to the irresponsible rhetoric of clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey.

You people are gleeful when the government kills some “soy boy”. Fair is fair.

Behave yourself. I am certainly not gleeful about these poor saps foolishly putting themselves in danger because they have been manipulated by clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey. They are the ones that will be gleeful, not me.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Let's not get tedious and pedantic with this one.

Indeed. It's always tedious and pedantic when someone correctly points out that you are wrong, isn't it.

This really the hill you want to die on?

ICE has murdered two US civilians with the blessing of the Trump Admin in DHS and DoJ. And this is the pedantic shit you are whining about?

Are you quoting me or someone else?

If so, then see my posts today.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Jacob Frey have done it again. Stirred up emotions to prompt another soft headed and gullible stooge to interfere with federal agents and tragically, the stooge has been killed. Cannon fodder for the clowns Tim and Frey.

I wish they had mowed you people down on the steps of the Capitol. My SHTF retribution list just keeps getting longer and longer.

“You people”? What are you on about? Interesting that you would be okay with “mowing people down” when you find that behavior objectionable.

In any event, this has been another tragic and totally avoidable incident but unfortunately there will probably more thanks to the irresponsible rhetoric of clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey.

You people are gleeful when the government kills some “soy boy”. Fair is fair.

Behave yourself. I am certainly not gleeful about these poor saps foolishly putting themselves in danger because they have been manipulated by clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey. They are the ones that will be gleeful, not me.

Of more importance is DHS and DoJ have condoned these killings and abusive attacks on American citizens.

It doesn't matter what you or I think. This immoral shit is going to continue.

 

[TSwizzle]

Well, Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Jacob Frey have done it again. Stirred up emotions to prompt another soft headed and gullible stooge to interfere with federal agents and tragically, the stooge has been killed. Cannon fodder for the clowns Tim and Frey.

I wish they had mowed you people down on the steps of the Capitol. My SHTF retribution list just keeps getting longer and longer.

“You people”? What are you on about? Interesting that you would be okay with “mowing people down” when you find that behavior objectionable.

In any event, this has been another tragic and totally avoidable incident but unfortunately there will probably more thanks to the irresponsible rhetoric of clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey.

You people are gleeful when the government kills some “soy boy”. Fair is fair.

Behave yourself. I am certainly not gleeful about these poor saps foolishly putting themselves in danger because they have been manipulated by clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey. They are the ones that will be gleeful, not me.

Of more importance is DHS and DoJ have condoned these killings and abusive attacks on American citizens.

It doesn't matter what you or I think. This immoral shit is going to continue.

It will continue while soft headed saps insert themselves into dangerous situations after being encouraged to do so by the likes of Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Well, Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Jacob Frey have done it again. Stirred up emotions to prompt another soft headed and gullible stooge to interfere with federal agents and tragically, the stooge has been killed. Cannon fodder for the clowns Tim and Frey.

I wish they had mowed you people down on the steps of the Capitol. My SHTF retribution list just keeps getting longer and longer.

“You people”? What are you on about? Interesting that you would be okay with “mowing people down” when you find that behavior objectionable.

In any event, this has been another tragic and totally avoidable incident but unfortunately there will probably more thanks to the irresponsible rhetoric of clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey.

You people are gleeful when the government kills some “soy boy”. Fair is fair.

Behave yourself.

You're excusing murder and you're telling people to "behave themselves".

 

[TSwizzle]

Well, Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Jacob Frey have done it again. Stirred up emotions to prompt another soft headed and gullible stooge to interfere with federal agents and tragically, the stooge has been killed. Cannon fodder for the clowns Tim and Frey.

I wish they had mowed you people down on the steps of the Capitol. My SHTF retribution list just keeps getting longer and longer.

“You people”? What are you on about? Interesting that you would be okay with “mowing people down” when you find that behavior objectionable.

In any event, this has been another tragic and totally avoidable incident but unfortunately there will probably more thanks to the irresponsible rhetoric of clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey.

You people are gleeful when the government kills some “soy boy”. Fair is fair.

Behave yourself. I am certainly not gleeful about these poor saps foolishly putting themselves in danger because they have been manipulated by clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey. They are the ones that will be gleeful, not me.

You're excusing murder and you're telling people to "behave themselves".

Why do you cut what I actually posted?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Jacob Frey have done it again. Stirred up emotions to prompt another soft headed and gullible stooge to interfere with federal agents and tragically, the stooge has been killed. Cannon fodder for the clowns Tim and Frey.

I wish they had mowed you people down on the steps of the Capitol. My SHTF retribution list just keeps getting longer and longer.

“You people”? What are you on about? Interesting that you would be okay with “mowing people down” when you find that behavior objectionable.

In any event, this has been another tragic and totally avoidable incident but unfortunately there will probably more thanks to the irresponsible rhetoric of clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey.

You people are gleeful when the government kills some “soy boy”. Fair is fair.

Behave yourself. I am certainly not gleeful about these poor saps foolishly putting themselves in danger because they have been manipulated by clowns like Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey. They are the ones that will be gleeful, not me.

Of more importance is DHS and DoJ have condoned these killings and abusive attacks on American citizens.

It doesn't matter what you or I think. This immoral shit is going to continue.

It will continue while soft headed saps insert themselves into dangerous situations after being encouraged to do so by the likes of Tampon Tim and effeminate soy boy Frey.

Dangerous situations? Neither of those siuations were dangerous until ICE escalated it. Escalation blessed by DoJ, DHS, and Trump. They don't regret the deaths at all.