In Texas, whether you have a miscarriage or an abortion, they'd force you to have a burial

[ZiprHead]

It is indisputable that a newly fertilized egg is not a person. If it were, given that ah estimated 70% or more of them spontaneously abort, that would make god the biggest abortionist of all.

Lemme see if I have this right
Heaps of unborn humans die anyway so abortion is ok

Well heaps of adult humans die of natural causes so ???


I know, I know. Not my body. None of my business.

Now you got it.

Question for all: If this passes, would it be okay to bury the remains in the governor's front yard?

 

[phands]

It is indisputable that a newly fertilized egg is not a person. If it were, given that ah estimated 70% or more of them spontaneously abort, that would make god the biggest abortionist of all.

Lemme see if I have this right
Heaps of unborn humans die anyway so abortion is ok

Well heaps of adult humans die of natural causes so ???


I know, I know. Not my body. None of my business.

Now you got it.

Question for all: If this passes, would it be okay to bury the remains in the governor's front yard?

So...gawd is a murderer on a grand scale....that fits with the evil bible.

 

[Keith&Co.]

HUMANS die needlessly every day, so it's difficult to accept arguments based on the desires of some allpowerfull-but-does-fuckall-about-it skybeast who watches it all play out.

 

[Keith&Co.]

So...gawd is a murderer on a grand scale....that fits with the evil bible.

The god that uses abortion as a test of infidelity? Yep

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Person tells person that they aren't a real person.
How many times have we seen that throughout history? Yuck!

A person has a mind. A fetus doesn't until the 7th month at the earliest.

 

[Lion IRC]

Mind? How much does mind weigh? How big is it?
What is this magical term?
I thought everything was brain.
...and a fetus certainly has a brain and sensory perception well before 7 months.

 

[phands]

Person tells person that they aren't a real person.
How many times have we seen that throughout history? Yuck!

A person has a mind. A fetus doesn't until the 7th month at the earliest.

Funnily enough, the tactics the shitgibbon uses are to dehumanise actual people...like Latinos....in order to deny them basic rights. Remember the "animals" comment?
Trumpo tells actual people that they aren't real people, while simultaneously saying that a ball of cells IS?????

This is what passes for reasoning in the religitard community, for which LIRC is such a Dunning-Kruger spokesman (they don't have spokeswomen), and why he always fails.

Religion A tells religion B that they aren't people, and then genocide for gawd...yuck...but that ball of cells IS a person...WTF???

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Mind? How much does mind weigh? How big is it?
What is this magical term?
I thought everything was brain.
...and a fetus certainly has a brain and sensory perception well before 7 months.

A mind is what you get with a brain that functions.

The fetus has reflexes before the 7th month, that's not the same as being conscious. Reflexes can exist without having a brain at all.

 

[Lion IRC]

7 months???
Try 7 WEEKS

 

[phands]

Mind? How much does mind weigh? How big is it?
What is this magical term?
I thought everything was brain.
...and a fetus certainly has a brain and sensory perception well before 7 months.

A mind is what you get with a brain that functions.

The fetus has reflexes before the 7th month, that's not the same as being conscious. Reflexes can exist without having a brain at all.

There is conjecture and beginnings of experimental evidence that mind is an emergent property of a large enough set of neurons with enough connectivity. Simple brains can react to stimuli (even unicellular organisms react to environmental stimulus) and exhibit self awareness in the most basic sense. I make an effort to distinguish self awareness from consciousness here, but that's a topic in itself.

Larger and more interconnected neural meshes exhibit more and more complex behaviours... we humans being the most complex we know of. Our near cousins, the higher apes, are close, and I think they are conscious, but not as conscious as we are.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

7 months???
Try 7 WEEKS

Tried--failed. No brain waves detected.

What the pro-"life" crowd says are brain waves are just static.

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Mind? How much does mind weigh? How big is it?
What is this magical term?
I thought everything was brain.
...and a fetus certainly has a brain and sensory perception well before 7 months.

A mind is what you get with a brain that functions.

The fetus has reflexes before the 7th month, that's not the same as being conscious. Reflexes can exist without having a brain at all.

There is conjecture and beginnings of experimental evidence that mind is an emergent property of a large enough set of neurons with enough connectivity. Simple brains can react to stimuli (even unicellular organisms react to environmental stimulus) and exhibit self awareness in the most basic sense. I make an effort to distinguish self awareness from consciousness here, but that's a topic in itself.

Larger and more interconnected neural meshes exhibit more and more complex behaviours... we humans being the most complex we know of. Our near cousins, the higher apes, are close, and I think they are conscious, but not as conscious as we are.

The 7th month is when brain waves appear, rather than just random neural static.

 

[RavenSky]

...it’s an overt effort to deter women from seeking abortion—and to establish embryos as legal entities deserving of the same treatment as people.

Excellent.
Why shouldn't we make overt efforts to stop;
- drinking while pregnant
- gender specific abortion
- medical malpractice that harms unborn babies
- commercial fetus farming

Not your body or your business...

An excellent argument for turning a blind eye to other things which are none of my business. (Like fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)
I wonder how many dead beat dads love that argument.

An excellent argument for you keeping your religion out of my vagina. I wonder how many rational people roll their eyes at your false equivalencies.

 

[RavenSky]

It is indisputable that a newly fertilized egg is not a person. If it were, given that ah estimated 70% or more of them spontaneously abort, that would make god the biggest abortionist of all.

Lemme see if I have this right
Heaps of unborn humans die anyway so abortion is ok

Well heaps of adult humans die of natural causes so ???


I know, I know. Not my body. None of my business.

Now you got it.

Question for all: If this passes, would it be okay to bury the remains in the governor's front yard?

And send Lion the bill

 

[Lion IRC]

An excellent argument for turning a blind eye to other things which are none of my business. (Like fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)
I wonder how many dead beat dads love that argument.

An excellent argument for you keeping your religion out of my vagina. I wonder how many rational people roll their eyes at your false equivalencies.

I can't believe you're accusing me of false equivalency.

I say fetal alcohol spectrum disorder and you respond by saying keep religion out of this.

 

[Rhea]

I say fetal alcohol spectrum disorder and you respond by saying keep religion out of this.

Those fetuses shouldn’t have been in that womb. They should know better. If it were _real_ FAS, the fetus has ways of shutting that down.

 

[phands]

I say fetal alcohol spectrum disorder and you respond by saying keep religion out of this.

Those fetuses shouldn’t have been in that womb. They should know better. If it were _real_ FAS, the fetus has ways of shutting that down.

You have to remember that LIRC et al don't give a flying fuck about what happens once the fetus is born, even if it's to a damaged or disabled, painful life. And gawd existed, she is a crap designer for letting the placental barrier be permeable to alcohol.