Infinite Past

[untermensche]

Humans are in no position to answer that question.

But they can understand that applying magical qualities like immortality to things is no real answer to anything.

But you seem to be answering it.

We can't logically make the positive claim that something is immortal.

We also can't make the positive claim that we know for certain all things end.

Existence is paradoxical, not understandable.

All we can understand are the things we can rationally say about existence.

And to rationally claim existence has some quality takes evidence.

 

[ryan]

But you seem to be answering it.

We can't logically make the positive claim that something is immortal.

We also can't make the positive claim that we know for certain all things end.

Okay, I appreciate this.

 

[DBT]

You don't have arguments. You have unsupported assertions of what you happen to believe,




That's a good example of the nonsense you call an argument. Basic logic should tell you that objects like boats have a beginning, but time is not an object. Think about the implications.

A boat is real. Time is real.

You have no special right to apply special definitions of "no beginning" to time.

Your argument is nothing but a desire to apply magical special nonsensical definitions to "no beginning" when it applies to time.

It is absolute nonsense.

OK, so it's clear that you cannot distinguish between objects and measurements of duration, individual object come and go and the related durations during and in between, we call time. Which is common to all things and all events. But then, you aren't very good with distinctions, however obvious they may be....especially not if these happen to disagree with your favourite beliefs,

And to not see it as nonsense shows serious flaws in reasoning abilities.

Nah, that's still you.

 

[untermensche]

A boat is real. Time is real.

You have no special right to apply special definitions of "no beginning" to time.

Your argument is nothing but a desire to apply magical special nonsensical definitions to "no beginning" when it applies to time.

It is absolute nonsense.

OK, so it's clear that you cannot distinguish between objects and measurements of duration, individual object come and go and the related durations during and in between, we call time. Which is common to all things and all events. But then, you aren't very good with distinctions, however obvious they may be....especially not if these happen to disagree with your favourite beliefs,

Time is not a measurement of duration. A minute is a measurement of duration.

Time is a real entity that can be measured.

It is irrational to say that the term "no beginning" somehow has a special magical meaning when applied to time.

It is absolute nonsense.

 

[abaddon]

OK, so it's clear that you cannot distinguish between objects and measurements of duration, individual object come and go and the related durations during and in between, we call time. Which is common to all things and all events. But then, you aren't very good with distinctions, however obvious they may be....especially not if these happen to disagree with your favourite beliefs,

Time is not a measurement of duration. A minute is a measurement of duration.

Time is a real entity that can be measured.

It is irrational to say that the term "no beginning" somehow has a special magical meaning when applied to time.

It is absolute nonsense.

You think people claimed time is infinite (though no one did). Now, you imagine they claim that some words have special magical meaning (though they don't claim or imply this at all).

You are applying imaginary concepts to real people.

Stop telling other people the logical outcome of what they say, because you have no ability at this at all. It's just you and your imaginations. Your thoughts are all over the place. You don't have your ducks in order. The square pegs are squeezed into the round holes in your head.

 

[untermensche]

Time is not a measurement of duration. A minute is a measurement of duration.

Time is a real entity that can be measured.

It is irrational to say that the term "no beginning" somehow has a special magical meaning when applied to time.

It is absolute nonsense.

You think people claimed time is infinite (though no one did). Now, you imagine they claim that some words have special magical meaning (though they don't claim or imply this at all).

You are applying imaginary concepts to real people.

Stop telling other people the logical outcome of what they say, because you have no ability at this at all. It's just you and your imaginations. Your thoughts are all over the place. You don't have your ducks in order. The square pegs are squeezed into the round holes in your head.

This is not an argument.

It is a rant.

You are frustrated because I understand that trying to apply imaginary concepts to real entities is absolute nonsense.

But you for some reason still want to do it.

 

[bilby]

 

[untermensche]

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Are you making excuses for your bad understandings?

Do you claim it is rational to apply imaginary concepts like infinity to real entities like time?

Speak up.

Your little memes don't cut it.

 

[bilby]

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Are you making excuses for your bad understandings?

No, I am pointing out why it is futile to engage with you.

Do you claim it is rational to apply imaginary concepts like infinity to real entities like time?

This question is so poorly formed as to be unanswerable; It embeds a number of false assumptions that you appear to be unaware that you are even making. Refer to the meme above for details.

Speak up.

Why? You have demonstrated repeatedly that you won't understand.

Your little memes don't cut it.

Nothing cuts it. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you cannot grasp the simplest concepts needed to add anything productive to this discussion. All that is left to do is laugh.

 

[untermensche]

Do you claim it is rational to apply imaginary concepts like infinity to real entities like time?

This question is so poorly formed as to be unanswerable; It embeds a number of false assumptions that you appear to be unaware that you are even making. Refer to the meme above for details.

The question is clear.

So is your dance in response.

Infinity is an imaginary concept.

Trying to apply it to time is like saying; "Time is the Easter Bunny".

 

[beero1000]

This question is so poorly formed as to be unanswerable; It embeds a number of false assumptions that you appear to be unaware that you are even making. Refer to the meme above for details.

The question is clear.

So is your dance in response.

Infinity is an imaginary concept.

Trying to apply it to time is like saying; "Time is the Easter Bunny".

How many more times do you think you'll have to repeat your assertions before you convince even one other person that you're right? Multiple threads, multiple posters, multiple YEARS, and you still think it's obvious and everyone else still thinks you're wrong. What do you think the odds are that you're actually some sort of unlauded genius when everyone else thinks you're Bozo the Clown?

 

[untermensche]

The question is clear.

So is your dance in response.

Infinity is an imaginary concept.

Trying to apply it to time is like saying; "Time is the Easter Bunny".

How many more times do you think you'll have to repeat your assertions before you convince even one other person that you're right? Multiple threads, multiple posters, multiple YEARS, and you still think it's obvious and everyone else still thinks you're wrong. What do you think the odds are that you're actually some sort of unlauded genius when everyone else thinks you're Bozo the Clown?

As long as people claim time is the Easter Bunny I will correct them and tell them they are speaking gibberish.

 

[bilby]

How many more times do you think you'll have to repeat your assertions before you convince even one other person that you're right? Multiple threads, multiple posters, multiple YEARS, and you still think it's obvious and everyone else still thinks you're wrong. What do you think the odds are that you're actually some sort of unlauded genius when everyone else thinks you're Bozo the Clown?

As long as people claim time is the Easter Bunny I will correct them and tell them they are speaking gibberish.

As soon as you can present evidence that anybody claims that time is the Easter Bunny, you can start to expect that claimant to take you seriously. I will even join you in demanding that they provide a justification for that absurd claim.

As nobody is claiming that, all we can do is refer back to Bertrand Russell.

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[beero1000]

How many more times do you think you'll have to repeat your assertions before you convince even one other person that you're right? Multiple threads, multiple posters, multiple YEARS, and you still think it's obvious and everyone else still thinks you're wrong. What do you think the odds are that you're actually some sort of unlauded genius when everyone else thinks you're Bozo the Clown?

As long as people claim time is the Easter Bunny I will correct them and tell them they are speaking gibberish.

The question is clear.

So is your dance in response.

 

[untermensche]

As long as people claim time is the Easter Bunny I will correct them and tell them they are speaking gibberish.

The question is clear.

So is your dance in response.

Your question is a bunch of whining.

Are you still claiming time is the Easter Bunny?

 

[DBT]

How many more times do you think you'll have to repeat your assertions before you convince even one other person that you're right? Multiple threads, multiple posters, multiple YEARS, and you still think it's obvious and everyone else still thinks you're wrong. What do you think the odds are that you're actually some sort of unlauded genius when everyone else thinks you're Bozo the Clown?

As long as people claim time is the Easter Bunny I will correct them and tell them they are speaking gibberish.

You are the one who's claiming that there is an 'Easter Bunny.' You are the one claiming that infinity or eternity is impossible when you have no evidence and no argument to shw that this is true. You just assert your belief. When asked to account for the problems, from what state did the Universe emerge from, if any, or what came before time, if anything (eternal nothingness), you just repeat your assertions while ignoring the whatever objections are raised. You don't have a valid argument.

 

[untermensche]

As long as people claim time is the Easter Bunny I will correct them and tell them they are speaking gibberish.

You are the one who's claiming that there is an 'Easter Bunny.' You are the one claiming that infinity or eternity is impossible when you have no evidence and no argument to shw that this is true. You just assert your belief. When asked to account for the problems, from what state did the Universe emerge from, if any, or what came before time, if anything (eternal nothingness), you just repeat your assertions while ignoring the whatever objections are raised. You don't have a valid argument.

To show something is possible requires evidence.

If there is no evidence, to think something possible is just imagining something. It isn't real.

So are you also claiming time is the Easter Bunny?

I can imagine he is real.

 

[DBT]

You are the one who's claiming that there is an 'Easter Bunny.' You are the one claiming that infinity or eternity is impossible when you have no evidence and no argument to shw that this is true. You just assert your belief. When asked to account for the problems, from what state did the Universe emerge from, if any, or what came before time, if anything (eternal nothingness), you just repeat your assertions while ignoring the whatever objections are raised. You don't have a valid argument.

To show something is possible requires evidence.

If there is no evidence, to think something possible is just imagining something. It isn't real.

So are you also claiming time is the Easter Bunny?

I can imagine he is real.

So can you explain what came before time got started? Which is your claim, that everything that exists must have a beginning. Nothing before time? Eternal nothing? Something before time? What something? Eternal something?

What?

You are making claims from ignorance.

You have no idea.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

There are an infinite number of moments between now and 1 second ago, assuming a non-granular time. There might be a finite number of well defined thoughts and forms between now and 1 second ago, but AFASIAIOK, spacetime is smooth, not granular, which means it can be divided into any number of pieces we desire.

Plank length, Plank time. Space and time are in fact discrete. There is a lower limit to how far one can divide time.

 

[ryan]

There are an infinite number of moments between now and 1 second ago, assuming a non-granular time. There might be a finite number of well defined thoughts and forms between now and 1 second ago, but AFASIAIOK, spacetime is smooth, not granular, which means it can be divided into any number of pieces we desire.

Plank length, Plank time. Space and time are in fact discrete. There is a lower limit to how far one can divide time.

No, that's the smallest measurable amount. Spacetime granularity is still unknown.