Investigation Launched After Cop Punches Teen Girl At Pride Fest

[arkirk]

Insufficient data. Note how--like almost always--the clip starts when the cop is using force. We almost never see the event that caused the cop to use force.

Not surprised loren is defending a police beating of a teenaged girl.

I really cannot understand why Loren would come across with that comment. It is obvious that this guy with the bullhorn was there to put down a gay pride parade. The Christian pig with the bullhorn may have been defended by the cop. The female voice in the video may have been the girl's. The girl may have attacked him and he may have enjoyed watching the cop punch her. The Christian component of the crowd looked just like they came from Duck Dynasty. That'll learn those punk teen girls just where their place is in that town. Yessir!

Don't be too sure he failed to get her on the ground. The video ended before he was through punching the girl. Maybe he was just pulling his punches till the video was off.

 

[RavenSky]

Yeah cause we should all assume he had a good reason. That a "good reason" exists for this kind of thing.

let's brainstorm a bit. What would make this reasonable?

She attacked first.

No she didn't

 

[ksen]

You physically resist an arrest attempt and you should expect that sort of treatment.

. . .

I'm saying it's unconfirmed, not that it's certainly in the right. Both videos shown aren't enough to prove wrongdoing.

You're not fooling anyone.

Not two seconds before you say it's not confirmed and it's not in the right you say you should expect that sort of treatment. You can't even keep it straight in two successive posts.

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I really cannot understand why Loren would come across with that comment.

I can. I've known loren for quite a few years and he has always defended the police.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Obviously this was a justified use of force.[/conservoprogressive]

???

Loren would be the first to support the force, not any liberal here, so I'm not certain what in the heck you are trying to get across.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Insufficient data. Note how--like almost always--the clip starts when the cop is using force. We almost never see the event that caused the cop to use force.

Here is the lead up to it

That makes it clear that it was part of a previous altercation, she appears to be resisting what the cop wants. The camera didn't catch the start of the incident, though.

You physically resist an arrest attempt and you should expect that sort of treatment. I don't know that it's an arrest attempt but it's certainly consistent with one.

The police are supposed to keep the peace, not escalate into serious violence. What in the world could she have done to warrant that?

 

[ksen]

Insufficient data. Note how--like almost always--the clip starts when the cop is using force. We almost never see the event that caused the cop to use force.

Here is the lead up to it

That makes it clear that it was part of a previous altercation, she appears to be resisting what the cop wants. The camera didn't catch the start of the incident, though.

You physically resist an arrest attempt and you should expect that sort of treatment. I don't know that it's an arrest attempt but it's certainly consistent with one.

The police are supposed to keep the peace, not escalate into serious violence. What in the world could she have done to warrant that?

Srsly, did you see her rainbow socks?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The police are supposed to keep the peace, not escalate into serious violence. What in the world could she have done to warrant that?

Srsly, did you see her rainbow socks?

Some people just seem to think if violence is put forth by an Officer, it must be justified.

- Disorientated black male moves towards a cop, it is okay for him to shoot. Obviously the male was drugged or something.
- This girl, man she must have done something crazy to deserve that beating.
- Hey baby, why do you make me so made that I have to hit you?

I'm not in the all police are evil crowd, but the size of that female seemed to make such a show of force entirely unnecessary, though I suppose she should feel lucky she wasn't shot.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Obviously this was a justified use of force.[/conservoprogressive]

???

Loren would be the first to support the force, not any liberal here, so I'm not certain what in the heck you are trying to get across.

I must be getting under your skin. Am I hitting too close to home?

 

[braces_for_impact]

Whether resisting arrest or not, minimum force necessary is used to subdue arrest subjects. Irregardless, he at no time informed her she was under arrest. From what I can see, she's not arresting, she's defending herself. She's almost fetal, just not on the ground; she's trying to shield herself from the blows. She is probably also doubled over from being hit in the stomach. She is most likely unable to come up straight at that point, and is probably in shock and so cannot follow instructions anyway (not that's he's giving her any).

This is pretty damning evidence. Unfortunately, too many people are authoritarian like some other commentators on this thread, and will always justify an officer's use of force, under virtually any circumstances. It's safer for them that way.

 

[ksen]

Watching the longer video it first looked like the officer was a broad. But upon further watching it turned out he's just a spindly little guy that would have got his ass kicked if he tried to pull this on a normal guy.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Obviously this was a justified use of force.[/conservoprogressive]

???
Loren would be the first to support the force, not any liberal here, so I'm not certain what in the heck you are trying to get across.

I must be getting under your skin. Am I hitting too close to home?

Well, you are welcomed to try and find a single post where I was supportive of police violence.

 

[Jarhyn]

Ok, so this is fucking disgusting. A girl calls out a hate monger in a more civil manner than he is using to litteraly tell people that they deserve to be tortured and hurt for not letting him control their sex lives. He tricks a cop into thinking she assaulted him and he goes pretty much on autopilot, which is disgusting in its own way since that apparently means repeatedly punching her rather than telling everyone to stop and investigating on the scene.

The way it was handled was terrible. I would actually hold the bigoted shit who cried wolf on a teenage girl more culpable here, though. A cop will be a cop, and react as the paid thug that cops are in the US. Some people will always be hurt through the accidental discharge of cop. It's the asshole that intentionally set a cop on an innocent girl that is the problem here

 

[Archimedes]

The police are supposed to keep the peace, not escalate into serious violence. What in the world could she have done to warrant that?

In Loren's own words - "resisting something the cop wants".

Cop wants something, you give it to him otherwise being repeatedly punched in the gut is the kind of treatment you should "expect". Doesn't he make "moderate libertarianism" sound wonderful?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The police are supposed to keep the peace, not escalate into serious violence. What in the world could she have done to warrant that?

In Loren's own words - "resisting something the cop wants".

Cop wants something, you give it to him otherwise being repeatedly punched in the gut is the kind of treatment you should "expect". Doesn't he make "moderate libertarianism" sound wonderful?

"Expect" indeed. Screwing around with a cop could get in you cuffs, not abdominal bruisng. Oh gosh, imagine if it turned out she was pregnant!

One thing is certain, he won't lose his job. That's troubling. What does a cop have to do to be fired?

Expect whatever can be dished out darling. This is America!

 

[Jarhyn]

So the other thing, get off the cop's nuts. He did his job. He might not be the best cop, but he certainly isn't the worst either. You don't punish a dog for him biting someone you told him to bite, even if it was a mistake to tell it that. Cops are trained animals in America, neither selected for intelligence or philosophical/moral ability. This itself is a problem, but one everyone in the country is culpable for. If you want to be mad about cops that punch girls, be mad at yourselves. If you want to be mad at street preachers who sick girl punching cops on INNOCENT girls, then sick the cops on THAT bastard. Ask yourself who the real asshole is.

 

[ksen]

Nah, I'll settle for being mad at the cop.

 

[Jarhyn]

Nah, I'll settle for being mad at the cop.

And you'll accomplish nothing other than arguing over trivia with the likes of LP. There is a problem in this situation and the cop's reaction is the very least of it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nah, I'll settle for being mad at the cop.

And you'll accomplish nothing other than arguing over trivia with the likes of LP. There is a problem in this situation and the cop's reaction is the very least of it.

You say this, yet the examples of police brutality aren't exactly flooding the Internet. When I say flood, I mean countless examples daily. I think you overstate the situation.

 

[KeepTalking]

Nah, I'll settle for being mad at the cop.

And you'll accomplish nothing other than arguing over trivia with the likes of LP. There is a problem in this situation and the cop's reaction is the very least of it.

Uh, no. The cop's reaction is the one and only problem. He did not have to take the asshat preacher's word. Even then, he did not have to place the girl under arrest before obtaining ANY other side of the story. Even then, he did not have to have to lay hands on the girl to inform her she was under arrest. Even then, he did not have to punch the 98 pound teenage girl repeatedly to subdue her.

No, this is not our fault. It isn't even the preacher's fault. It's the cop's fault, end of story.

 

[arkirk]

So the other thing, get off the cop's nuts. He did his job. He might not be the best cop, but he certainly isn't the worst either. You don't punish a dog for him biting someone you told him to bite, even if it was a mistake to tell it that. Cops are trained animals in America, neither selected for intelligence or philosophical/moral ability. This itself is a problem, but one everyone in the country is culpable for. If you want to be mad about cops that punch girls, be mad at yourselves. If you want to be mad at street preachers who sick girl punching cops on INNOCENT girls, then sick the cops on THAT bastard. Ask yourself who the real asshole is.

So you think we are ALL responsible for the cop punching that girl? That is NOT TRUE. From what I see and hear in the video, the cops made a judgment and zeroed in on the girl as the agitator. She obviously was agitated by people with signs and bullhorns calling her and "her kind" abominations in the sight of God. This quasi-Duck Dynasty collection of flapping beards and preachers was there to break up a public demonstration with condemnation and opprobrium and loud speakers. The cops obviously chose the Duck Dynasty over the gays and started "cleaning up the abomination." Somebody was to blame, but it certainly was not "all of us."