Is Ignorance Even a Good Excuse at this Point?

[Juma]

I was more referring to the DNC's treatment of Sanders and the recent revelation that a CNN employee provided her campaign certain debate questions.

Then there's her foundation and its role in gaining rich people special access to her as a government employee. And of course all the other unsavory things.

While a misstep here and there can be blamed solely on her employees or supporters acting on their own, the amount and scope of the stuff we're talking about makes it hard to accept excuses that she was personally unaware of all the misconduct and that it was all just her supporters or the people who worked for her doing it without her approval.

There is no question that she is corrupt and pay to play, but at the end of the day she isn't Trump.... Yes that is how pathetic your country has become.

In what way is she "corrupt"?

 

[Juma]

There is rarely a regime change without a body count.

But a regime change that produces something worse that before with a high cost of lives is not worthwhile in the first place. Libya will follow her around and will be enshrined in history.

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It does tend to be a competition to elect the perceived least worst of the two. I don't know we can assess who is more dishonest than the other without establishing the facts in their own scandalous areas.

What? Wait.... what?
You cannot establish who is more dishonest of these two? It's as simple as watch five minutes of the debates. There is no question that Trump is lying ALL the time. Everything he says is wrong.

That's why they are campaigning. Everyone? Did you speak to everyone?

What? Seems you had an accident while reading my post... try again.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Any voters who are undecided in the face of a Nazi regime under Trump are too stupid to write, surely?

When your choices are arsenic or cyanide, Hitler or Stalin, beheading or hanging, sometimes indecision lingers.

 

[Elixir]

Any voters who are undecided in the face of a Nazi regime under Trump are too stupid to write, surely?

When your choices are arsenic or cyanide, Hitler or Stalin, beheading or hanging, sometimes indecision lingers.

When your choices are Hitler or Darth Vader and you're still indecisive, you've been drinking too much StarWars Kool-Ade.

 

[credoconsolans]

There is rarely a regime change without a body count.

But a regime change that produces something worse that before with a high cost of lives is not worthwhile in the first place. Libya will follow her around and will be enshrined in history.

It's not over yet in Libya.

These things take time. Expecting immediate rainbows and freedom is unrealistic.

 

[iolo]

Given the size and scope of questionable behavior surrounding her campaign, is there anyone who doesn't believe Clinton to be personally involved in at least some of it?

I doubt if anyone honest believes she is other that a normal politician, whereas Trump is a lying Nazi, and unbelievably stupid with it. If the US votes such a scumbag in the whole country will be tarred with the same brush.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Given the size and scope of questionable behavior surrounding her campaign, is there anyone who doesn't believe Clinton to be personally involved in at least some of it?

I doubt if anyone honest believes she is other that a normal politician, whereas Trump is a lying Nazi, and unbelievably stupid with it. If the US votes such a scumbag in the whole country will be tarred with the same brush.

Normal must be a terrible word. They're still counting the bodies in Libya. As for Trump well he's simply competing for worst of the two.

 

[iolo]

I doubt if anyone honest believes she is other that a normal politician, whereas Trump is a lying Nazi, and unbelievably stupid with it. If the US votes such a scumbag in the whole country will be tarred with the same brush.

Normal must be a terrible word. They're still counting the bodies in Libya. As for Trump well he's simply competing for worst of the two.

I have yet to learn that this Libya thing is other than a Republican lie, but very few people were killed. Compare Bush and Bliar, who killed hundreds of thousands, and whom no-one criticised at the time.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I doubt if anyone honest believes she is other that a normal politician, whereas Trump is a lying Nazi, and unbelievably stupid with it. If the US votes such a scumbag in the whole country will be tarred with the same brush.

Normal must be a terrible word. They're still counting the bodies in Libya. As for Trump well he's simply competing for worst of the two.

Not much of a competition. Hillary Clinton is a politican with conflicts of interest and a bit dubious business history. Donald Trump was a failure of a businessman and the only way he could stay afloat was by declaring bankruptcies, defrauding subcontractors, and committing egregious insider trading violations when defrauded shareholders into overpaying for two casinos grossly overleveraged in debt that couldn't possibly be recovered from (and then selling out his shares before anyone noticed). He also admitted to sexually molesting women because he was a star and it was okay. He is also a pathological liar.

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Normal must be a terrible word. They're still counting the bodies in Libya. As for Trump well he's simply competing for worst of the two.

I have yet to learn that this Libya thing is other than a Republican lie, but very few people were killed. Compare Bush and Bliar, who killed hundreds of thousands, and whom no-one criticised at the time.

Yeah, the concern is nothing but bullshit from the likes of whichphilosophy.

 

[whichphilosophy]

But a regime change that produces something worse that before with a high cost of lives is not worthwhile in the first place. Libya will follow her around and will be enshrined in history.

It's not over yet in Libya.

These things take time. Expecting immediate rainbows and freedom is unrealistic.

Libya is several times worse off than before. There were no rainbows of Freedom just like for Syria.
Saudi is much worse than Libya was many of its own nationals facing poverty while 5,000 of the country's princes have a lavish lifestyle.

What did Libya have before:
Free Education
Free Healthcare
Free Electricity
Clean water in nearly every household
0% interest loans for citizen loans
The highest GDP in Africa
The highest standard of living in Africa
A form of democracy excluding Political parties wherein his own powers were being handed over to the People's committees
Separation of Church from State, where the "Fanatics' seized their chance to turn the clock back thanks to US and NATO intervention
Government subsidies when purchasing a car (note instead of tax but subsidy)

The rainbow revolution turned the clock back a few hundred years.
Now there are 3 claimed states including ISIS.

When fixing something, fix it don't wreck it completely to make it a FUBAR (F*****up beyond all repair).
In other words don't replace a despot with something much worse.

 

[Elixir]

When fixing something, fix it don't wreck it completely to make it a FUBAR (F*****up beyond all repair).
In other words don't replace a despot with something much worse.

Nothing is worse than a despot. The proof? Now they have nothing, and it's worse than their despot. Same in Iraq.
But if we're playing a blame game, let's not leave out the key players: Bush, Cheney, their failure to heed the actual intelligence reports in favor of their personal and political goals, and the Republican congress. Whatever happened after that was inevitably tainted with dishonesty and stupidity of the original actions.

 

[credoconsolans]

It's not over yet in Libya.

These things take time. Expecting immediate rainbows and freedom is unrealistic.

Libya is several times worse off than before. There were no rainbows of Freedom just like for Syria.
Saudi is much worse than Libya was many of its own nationals facing poverty while 5,000 of the country's princes have a lavish lifestyle.

What did Libya have before:
Free Education
Free Healthcare
Free Electricity
Clean water in nearly every household
0% interest loans for citizen loans
The highest GDP in Africa
The highest standard of living in Africa
A form of democracy excluding Political parties wherein his own powers were being handed over to the People's committees
Separation of Church from State, where the "Fanatics' seized their chance to turn the clock back thanks to US and NATO intervention
Government subsidies when purchasing a car (note instead of tax but subsidy)

The rainbow revolution turned the clock back a few hundred years.
Now there are 3 claimed states including ISIS.

When fixing something, fix it don't wreck it completely to make it a FUBAR (F*****up beyond all repair).
In other words don't replace a despot with something much worse.

It's easy to run a country at gunpoint.

You enjoy your free education and healthcare and if the men in power like your daughter or want your wife...too bad you can't argue with them. Enjoy your free electricity.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Normal must be a terrible word. They're still counting the bodies in Libya. As for Trump well he's simply competing for worst of the two.

I have yet to learn that this Libya thing is other than a Republican lie, but very few people were killed. Compare Bush and Bliar, who killed hundreds of thousands, and whom no-one criticised at the time.

Well, very few Americans were killed, and they're the only ones who are actually people...

 

[ZiprHead]

Just thought I'd drop this here since this thread is about ignorant people.
[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/191kow6kLUM[/YOUTUBE]

 

[iolo]

I have yet to learn that this Libya thing is other than a Republican lie, but very few people were killed. Compare Bush and Bliar, who killed hundreds of thousands, and whom no-one criticised at the time.

Well, very few Americans were killed, and they're the only ones who are actually people...

Ah, well - except you should add 'British' to that, it goes without saying amongst our masters!