Israel kills terrorists digging their way into Israel, guess who blames Israel?

[Derec]

A couple of days ago, Israel detected and eliminated a tunnel being dug by Palestinian Islamic Jihad into Israeli territory. By stroke of luck, a number of PIJ and Hamas terrorists were killed in the process, including a senior PIJ leader. Really good job.
Israel destroys tunnel from Gaza, killing seven Palestinians
The death toll increased somewhat since then. I think it now stands at 9 dead terrorists.
Terrorism-supporting states Iran and Qatar are condemning Israel for the attack, even though this was clearly and unequivocally an act of Palestinian aggression.
Iran slams 'bloodthirsty' Israel following Gaza terror tunnel destruction
Qatar: IDF bombing of Gaza attack tunnel violates Palestinian rights
Sorry Qataris, but there is no "right" to dig tunnels into a sovereign country's territory.

For their part, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other Palestinian terrorist groups have vowed revenge, but luckily they have not done anything yet.
Gaza vows to respond to Israeli air raids

Btw, these are some of the dead terrorists.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, it would be Israel's fault for the deaths. The deaths would likely be justified, though. But Israeli is definitely to blame, unless you are claiming someone else did it.

 

[Derec]

Well, it would be Israel's fault for the deaths. The deaths would likely be justified, though. But Israeli is definitely to blame, unless you are claiming someone else did it.

You are confusing "fault" with "accomplishment" and "blame" with "congratulate".

 

[Jayjay]

Just like Palestinians are justified in killing Jewish invaders in West Bank, Israel is jutified in killing Palestinian invaders near Gaza. I have no problem with this operation and it's perfectly acceptable self defense.

 

[untermensche]

What is to blame is decades and decades of unending Israeli oppression, torture and murder.

We are decades into unrelenting oppression.

Yes it is ugly.

Oppression does not create anything beautiful.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Oppression does not create anything beautiful.

Well, I don't know about that. Centuries of slavery and racial oppression led to Spike Lee movies, so it was all kind of worth it.

 

[Jayjay]

What is to blame is decades and decades of unending Israeli oppression, torture and murder.

We are decades into unrelenting oppression.

Yes it is ugly.

Oppression does not create anything beautiful.

It's not "oppression" to not want your enemies to build tunnels on your land, especially when those tunnels are known to be used for offense instead of defense. The diggers knew the risks, and they could have avoided the accident by staying on their side of the border.

 

[untermensche]

What is to blame is decades and decades of unending Israeli oppression, torture and murder.

We are decades into unrelenting oppression.

Yes it is ugly.

Oppression does not create anything beautiful.

It's not "oppression" to not want your enemies to build tunnels on your land, especially when those tunnels are known to be used for offense instead of defense. The diggers knew the risks, and they could have avoided the accident by staying on their side of the border.

People digging tunnels is the result of oppression.

Oppression is not allowing people to exchange with the world.

Oppression is deliberately suppressing an economy.

Oppression is stealing land and illegally building on stolen land.

Oppression is cutting up the land people live on and not allowing a contiguous free flow of travel.

 

[Jayjay]

It's not "oppression" to not want your enemies to build tunnels on your land, especially when those tunnels are known to be used for offense instead of defense. The diggers knew the risks, and they could have avoided the accident by staying on their side of the border.

People digging tunnels is the result of oppression.

Oppression is not allowing people to exchange with the world.

Oppression is deliberately suppressing an economy.

Oppression is stealing land and illegally building on stolen land.

Oppression is cutting up the land people live on and not allowing a contiguous free flow of travel.

None of which excuses aggression against illegitimate targets. You are a broken record with your "oppression" bullshit. Israel and zionism themselves are results of centuries of oppression against the jews, but that does not excuse their behaviour. If you were not a hypocrite, you'd realize this, but you are like a reverse Loren: your world sees only the west and America and Israel as culprit for everything bad that ever happened, the same way he sees Arabs and Islamists as shadow conspirators behind the curtain. You are both wrong.

 

[untermensche]

People digging tunnels is the result of oppression.

Oppression is not allowing people to exchange with the world.

Oppression is deliberately suppressing an economy.

Oppression is stealing land and illegally building on stolen land.

Oppression is cutting up the land people live on and not allowing a contiguous free flow of travel.

None of which excuses aggression against illegitimate targets. You are a broken record with your "oppression" bullshit. Israel and zionism themselves are results of centuries of oppression against the jews, but that does not excuse their behaviour. If you were not a hypocrite, you'd realize this, but you are like a reverse Loren: your world sees only the west and America and Israel as culprit for everything bad that ever happened, the same way he sees Arabs and Islamists as shadow conspirators behind the curtain. You are both wrong.

No it does not justify any acts of violence.

It just is the root cause of them.

 

[LordKiran]

People digging tunnels is the result of oppression.

Oppression is not allowing people to exchange with the world.

Oppression is deliberately suppressing an economy.

Oppression is stealing land and illegally building on stolen land.

Oppression is cutting up the land people live on and not allowing a contiguous free flow of travel.

None of which excuses aggression against illegitimate targets. You are a broken record with your "oppression" bullshit. Israel and zionism themselves are results of centuries of oppression against the jews, but that does not excuse their behaviour. If you were not a hypocrite, you'd realize this, but you are like a reverse Loren: your world sees only the west and America and Israel as culprit for everything bad that ever happened, the same way he sees Arabs and Islamists as shadow conspirators behind the curtain. You are both wrong.

I dunno. I think its a fair point that the Israeli's (And the British) are all collectively responsible for putting themselves in the position they're in to begin with. I mean presumably israel is a democracy run by its people correct? So is it not then fair to say they are all collectively implicit in the actions of Israeli settlers as they are all a part of the government that allows it to happen and indeed promotes it?

You reap what you sow, correct? Well there is one difference: The British had the good sense to wipe their hands clean of the situation and stroll away whistling casually.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's not "oppression" to not want your enemies to build tunnels on your land, especially when those tunnels are known to be used for offense instead of defense. The diggers knew the risks, and they could have avoided the accident by staying on their side of the border.

People digging tunnels is the result of oppression.

Oppression is not allowing people to exchange with the world.

Oppression is deliberately suppressing an economy.

Oppression is stealing land and illegally building on stolen land.

Oppression is cutting up the land people live on and not allowing a contiguous free flow of travel.

Not allowing people to exchange with the world? The only one doing that is Hamas. Israel only prohibits the import of weapons and some dual-use stuff.

Suppressing an economy? Hamas, again. The Palestinians were growing too prosperous to be used as cannon fodder.

Stealing land? The border with Gaza isn't moving.

Cutting up land? There are plenty of enclaves and exclaves in the world. Strangely enough they are only a problem when one side is Muslim.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I dunno. I think its a fair point that the Israeli's (And the British) are all collectively responsible for putting themselves in the position they're in to begin with. I mean presumably israel is a democracy run by its people correct? So is it not then fair to say they are all collectively implicit in the actions of Israeli settlers as they are all a part of the government that allows it to happen and indeed promotes it?

You reap what you sow, correct? Well there is one difference: The British had the good sense to wipe their hands clean of the situation and stroll away whistling casually.

The settlers are almost all dead. We don't assign the sins of the father to the offspring.

And what's your solution? The Israelis move out? To where--most of them have nothing but Israeli citizenship.

And when you simply relocate the violence elsewhere (the people funding it want war, they'll just change the battlefront) what are you going to do, give them that land also? When does it stop?

 

[Arctish]

I dunno. I think its a fair point that the Israeli's (And the British) are all collectively responsible for putting themselves in the position they're in to begin with. I mean presumably israel is a democracy run by its people correct? So is it not then fair to say they are all collectively implicit in the actions of Israeli settlers as they are all a part of the government that allows it to happen and indeed promotes it?

You reap what you sow, correct? Well there is one difference: The British had the good sense to wipe their hands clean of the situation and stroll away whistling casually.

The settlers are almost all dead. We don't assign the sins of the father to the offspring.

Please try to remember that the next time someone claims that the decisions made by Palestinians in the 1940s justifies the treatment of their grandkids today.

Also, I'm curious. If a Palestinian with no criminal record has a Jewish grandmother on their mother's side, why isn't he or she eligible for full citizenship in Israel, if not because they are being assigned their father's sins?

 

[untermensche]

People digging tunnels is the result of oppression.

Oppression is not allowing people to exchange with the world.

Oppression is deliberately suppressing an economy.

Oppression is stealing land and illegally building on stolen land.

Oppression is cutting up the land people live on and not allowing a contiguous free flow of travel.

Not allowing people to exchange with the world? The only one doing that is Hamas. Israel only prohibits the import of weapons and some dual-use stuff.

Suppressing an economy? Hamas, again. The Palestinians were growing too prosperous to be used as cannon fodder.

Stealing land? The border with Gaza isn't moving.

Cutting up land? There are plenty of enclaves and exclaves in the world. Strangely enough they are only a problem when one side is Muslim.

Israel does not allow the Palestinians to even have a port or an airport.

It does not allow the Palestinians free travel in their lands.

Israel has stolen so much land it has cut Palestinian lands into shreds.

All imports and exports are totally controlled by an oppressive power that tells the world all is right and they are so so fair.

And only the most gullible fools buy it.

 

[Derec]

Israel does not allow the Palestinians to even have a port or an airport.

They had an airport until the Palestinians started another campaign of terror in 2000 following Arafat leaving peace talks.
Terrorism is why Palestinians can't have nice things.

And only the most gullible fools buy it.

No, the most gullible fools buy into the Palestinian propaganda.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The settlers are almost all dead. We don't assign the sins of the father to the offspring.

Please try to remember that the next time someone claims that the decisions made by Palestinians in the 1940s justifies the treatment of their grandkids today.

Also, I'm curious. If a Palestinian with no criminal record has a Jewish grandmother on their mother's side, why isn't he or she eligible for full citizenship in Israel, if not because they are being assigned their father's sins?

The decision of the Palestinians in the 1940s lead to the war, that's all. The current problems are because they are unwilling to give up on the path of war.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Israel does not allow the Palestinians to even have a port or an airport.

Areas that small don't need their own ports or airports. The only reason to have either is to import weapons. They can import peaceful stuff through Israel, no problem.

It does not allow the Palestinians free travel in their lands.

Israel says nothing about transit between Gaza and the West Bank. They simply do not allow transit through Israel. Both areas have other borders.

Are you going to blame the US because our visa policies can make it hard for a third worlder from Asia to reach South America? (or vice versa.) Most flights to South America go to the US and the few that don't almost all go to Europe or Canada.

All imports and exports are totally controlled by an oppressive power that tells the world all is right and they are so so fair.

But they aren't restricting peaceful things. The horrible shortages you hear about in Gaza are not because Israel isn't allowing stuff in, it's because Hamas doesn't want to pay for it--and it's been getting much worse recently due to fighting between Hamas and Fatah resulting in the Palestinian Authority not paying bills they should. If the Palestinian Authority tells Israel they'll only pay for 6 hours of power per day, guess what Gaza gets--6 hours of power per day.

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No, the most gullible fools buy into the Palestinian propaganda.

Islamist.

Palestinian propaganda is merely a subset of Islamist propaganda.

 

[Arctish]

Please try to remember that the next time someone claims that the decisions made by Palestinians in the 1940s justifies the treatment of their grandkids today.

Also, I'm curious. If a Palestinian with no criminal record has a Jewish grandmother on their mother's side, why isn't he or she eligible for full citizenship in Israel, if not because they are being assigned their father's sins?

The decision of the Palestinians in the 1940s lead to the war, that's all. The current problems are because they are unwilling to give up on the path of war.

The Palestinians in the West Bank have, under Abbas and Fatah. And yet the Occupation and the theft of land and resources continues.

You didn't answer my question. If a Palestinian with no criminal record has a Jewish grandmother on their mother's side, why isn't he or she eligible for full citizenship in Israel, if not because they are being assigned their father's sins?

 

[untermensche]

They had an airport until the Palestinians started another campaign of terror in 2000 following Arafat leaving peace talks.
Terrorism is why Palestinians can't have nice things.

And only the most gullible fools buy it.

No, the most gullible fools buy into the Palestinian propaganda.

In other words you agree.

They do not have a port or an airport.

The master does not allow it.

They are under the constant boot of a despotic insane racist foreign power.

This is what gives you things like Hamas.

It is unlikely anything much different would arise under this kind of Israeli oppression.

To think Hamas is some strange outcome when Israel has been so despotic and violent is to be incredibly ignorant and blind.