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So, today some more documents became public. I didn't see a thread about it so decided to start one.

I guess nothing to report yet, but any predictions? My favourite theory is that he was shot by a clumsy secret service agent, and the cover up was to hide this to avoid embarrassing the SS.
 
So, today some more documents became public. I didn't see a thread about it so decided to start one.

I guess nothing to report yet, but any predictions? My favourite theory is that he was shot by a clumsy secret service agent, and the cover up was to hide this to avoid embarrassing the SS.

It will probably be nothing. Its tantalizing to think there was/is a wider conspiracy at play because JFK was famously anti-globalism and wanted to dismantle the CIA.
 
It sounds like there hasn't been too much revelation. I think the government didn't want to look so bad in that they had absolutely no clue clue why JFK was assassinated.
 
I really don't know much about the story, but was curious how they found Oswald so quickly. But it turns out there are reasonable answers to that question.

There are theories that the mafia was behind it, but I ponder if the mafia was only behind the killing of Oswald. Ruby shot Oswald once, just once. That sounds kind of professional.
 
So, today some more documents became public. I didn't see a thread about it so decided to start one.

I guess nothing to report yet, but any predictions? My favourite theory is that he was shot by a clumsy secret service agent, and the cover up was to hide this to avoid embarrassing the SS.

I wonder if it was Ted Cruz' dad all along.
 
Out of context, this might make some noise:
Referring to Nicholas Katzenbach, the deputy attorney general at the time, Hoover dictated: "The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin."
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/j...r-hoover-said-public-must-believe-lee-n814881

Also, this:
The introduction of biological agents, which would "appear to be of natural origins" to produce crop failures. One of the members present, Gen. Carter, "emphasized the extreme sensitivity of any such operation and the disastrous results that would flow from something going wrong, particularly if there was obvious attribution to the U.S." Bundy said he wasn't worried "about any such sabotage which could clearly be made to appear as the result of local Cuban disaffection or of a natural disaster, but that the [U.S.] must avoid external activities such as release of chemicals, etc., unless they could be completely covered up."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-highlight-talks-on-clandestine-anti-cuba-ops

and this:
The JFK files reveal the US government considered paying Cubans two cents to assassinate Castro
https://qz.com/1113447/jfk-files-th...aying-cubans-two-cents-to-assassinate-castro/
 
Cheato withholds *some* of the documents that were scheduled for release.
Maybe because he wants to perpetuate the general conspiracy theorist mindset, or maybe to keep his previous contention that Ted's dad helped Oswald from becoming an even more blatant lie than it already is.

Or maybe he wanted to protect Hillary from proof of the Nation Enquirer's assertion that she gave birth to an alien hybrid... yeah, that's probably it.
 
Cheato withholds *some* of the documents that were scheduled for release.
Maybe because he wants to perpetuate the general conspiracy theorist mindset, or maybe to keep his previous contention that Ted's dad helped Oswald from becoming an even more blatant lie than it already is.

Or maybe he wanted to protect Hillary from proof of the Nation Enquirer's assertion that she gave birth to an alien hybrid... yeah, that's probably it.

I heard the intelligence agencies put in a bunch of requests to keep the docs classified on the last day when the law in question gave them 25 years to file such requests.
 
So, today some more documents became public. I didn't see a thread about it so decided to start one.

I guess nothing to report yet, but any predictions? My favourite theory is that he was shot by a clumsy secret service agent, and the cover up was to hide this to avoid embarrassing the SS.

I wonder if it was Ted Cruz' dad all along.

Dammit. Beat to the punch.

Anyway, I tend to believe that this is going to resolve nothing. The myths compared to the probable reality are so much more interesting. And at this point the myths are also harmless. Therefore, what will likely happen is that if it does get cleared up, it won't matter because there's going to be stuff to foment new myths and theories, which will get far more coverage and interest.

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My favourite theory is that he was shot by a clumsy secret service agent, and the cover up was to hide this to avoid embarrassing the SS.

I saw a TV show about that. How anticlimactic would that be? All these intriguing theories and it turns out that it was all just "Oops, I didn't practice basic gun safety."
 
I'm sticking to my theory that the butler did it.

Oh and, fuck Oliver Stone.
 
But that is all old news.

(1) Dallas motorcycle patrolmen Stavis Ellis and H. R. Freeman both observed a penetrating bullet hole in the limousine windshield at Parkland Hospital. Ellis told interviewer Gil Toff in 1971: "There was a hole in the left front windshield...You could put a pencil through it...you could take a regular standard writing pencil...and stick [it] through there." Freeman corroborated this, saying: "[I was] right beside it. I could of [sic] touched it...it was a bullet hole. You could tell what it was." [David Lifton published these quotations in his 1980 book, Best Evidence.]


(2) St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Richard Dudman wrote an article published in The New Republic on December 21, 1963, in which he stated: "A few of us noted the hole in the windshield when the limousine was standing at the emergency entrance after the President had been carried inside. I could not approach close enough to see which side was the cup-shaped spot which indicates a bullet had pierced the glass from the opposite side."

(3) Second year medical student Evalea Glanges, enrolled at Southwestern Medical University in Dallas, right next door to Parkland Hospital, told attorney Doug Weldon in 1999: "It was a real clean hole." In a videotaped interview aired in the suppressed episode 7 of Nigel Turner's The Men Who Killed Kennedy, titled "The Smoking Guns," she said: "...it was very clear, it was a through-and-through bullet hole through the windshield of the car, from the front to the back...it seemed like a high-velocity bullet that had penetrated from front-to-back in that glass pane." At the time of the interview, Glanges had risen to the position of Chairperson of the Department of Surgery, at John Peter Smith Hospital, in Fort Worth. She had been a firearms expert all her adult life.

(4) Mr. George Whitaker, Sr., a senior manager at the Ford Motor Company's Rouge Plant in Detroit, Michigan, told attorney (and professor of criminal justice) Doug Weldon in August of 1993, in a tape recorded conversation, that after reporting to work on Monday, November 25th, he discovered the JFK limousine – a unique, one-of-a-kind item that he unequivocally identified – in the Rouge Plant's B building, with the interior stripped out and in the process of being replaced, and with the windshield removed. He was then contacted by one of the Vice Presidents of the division for which he worked, and directed to report to the glass plant lab, immediately. After knocking on the locked door (which he found most unusual), he was let in by two of his subordinates and discovered that they were in possession of the windshield that had been removed from the JFK limousine. They had been told to use it as a template, and to make a new windshield identical to it in shape – and to then get the new windshield back to the B building for installation in the Presidential limousine that was quickly being rebuilt. Whitaker told Weldon (quoting from the audiotape of the 1993 interview): "And the windshield had a bullet hole in it, coming from the outside through...it was a good, clean bullet hole, right straight through, from the front. And you can tell, when the bullet hits the windshield, like when you hit a rock or something, what happens? The back chips out and the front may just have a pinhole in it...this had a clean round hole in the front and fragmentation coming out the back." Whitaker told Weldon that he eventually became superintendent of his division and was placed in charge of five plant divisions. He also told Weldon that the original windshield, with the bullet hole in it, had been broken up and scrapped – as ordered – after the new windshield had been made.


When Doug Weldon interviewed Whitaker in August of 1993, his witness insisted on anonymity. Weldon reported on the story without releasing Whitaker's name in his excellent and comprehensive article titled: "The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963," which was published in Jim Fetzer's anthology Murder in Dealey Plaza, in 2000. After Weldon interviewed Whitaker in August of 1993, Mr. Whitaker subsequently – on November 22, 1993 (the 30th anniversary of President Kennedy's assassination) – wrote down all he could remember about the events he witnessed involving the Presidential limousine and its windshield. After George Whitaker's death in 2001, his family released his written testament to Nigel Turner, who with their permission revealed Mr. Whitaker's name, as well as the text of his "memo for history," in episode 7 of The Men Who Killed Kennedy, "The Smoking Guns."

In "The Smoking Guns," the text of Whitaker's memo can be read on the screen employing freeze frame technology with the DVD of the episode. It said, in part: "When arrived at the lab the door was locked. I was let in. There were 2 glass engineers there. They had a car windshield that had a bullet hole in it. The hole was about 4 or 6 inches to the right of the rear view mirror [as viewed from the front]. The impact had come from the front of the windshield. (If you have spent 40 years in the glass [illegible] you know which way the impack [sic] was from."

(5) The sixth credible witness to a bullet hole in the windshield of the limousine was Secret Service agent Charles Taylor, Jr., who wrote a report on November 27, 1963 in which he detailed his activities providing security for the limousine immediately after the car's return to Washington following the assassination. The JFK limousine and the Secret Service follow-up car known as the "Queen Mary" arrived at Andrews AFB aboard a C-130 propeller-driven cargo plane at about 8:00 PM on November 22, 1963. Agent Taylor rode in the Presidential limousine as it was driven from Andrews AFB to the White House garage at 22nd and M Streets, N.W. In his report about what he witnessed inside the White House garage during the vehicle's inspection, he wrote: "In addition, of particular note was the small hole just left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0...inkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0984314431
 
This is manna from heaven for the JFK conspiracy enthusiasts.

But who gives a shit who killed JFK? It is ancient history and nobody or no document will be found that gives any definitive proof of anything.
 
I remember watching a CT documentary on the assassination. What was odd is that they debunk a bunch of misconceptions off the bat... and then go CT mode.
 
So, today some more documents became public. I didn't see a thread about it so decided to start one.

I guess nothing to report yet, but any predictions? My favourite theory is that he was shot by a clumsy secret service agent, and the cover up was to hide this to avoid embarrassing the SS.
Was there a secret service guy in front of the car?

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https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32144493.pdf

What a shocker to find Will Wiley all aboard yet another ct.
 
Hey, we all know it was the FBI CIA LBJ Mafia Illuminati WAPWAG Rockefeller Rosicrucian Jewish Catholic Freemason Invisible Lizard Saucer Nazi Space Aliens who run everything from their cardboard box in the slums of Calcutta. If you deny this you are RACIST! RACIST! RACIST!

Eldarion Lathria
 
The really funny thing is that people think that it is perfectly normal that the CIA and the FBI wont release what actually happened even 54 years later.

The Biggest Revelation Of The JFK File Releases Isn’t In The JFK Files
Seasoned conspiracy buffs refrained from getting their hopes up too high after President Trump’s announcement that he wouldn’t prevent the scheduled release of thousands of files pertaining to the assassination of President John F Kennedy by the National Archives. They were right to do so; hundreds of files ended up being held back which won’t be released until well into 2018, if at all.
Despite Trump’s assurances of eventual transparency, the probability of those files being released in full at that time is approximately zero. If they were going to be released, they would have been released as scheduled. The US intelligence community has had a quarter of a century to prepare for the release of those documents, yet they’re still being withheld at the request of the FBI and the CIA for further review on the grounds of “national security” concerns. Like that’s a thing. Like after fifty years documents pertaining to a president’s assassination could expose vulnerabilities in America’s nuclear arsenal or espionage operations or something.

:D
 
The really funny thing is that people think that it is perfectly normal that the CIA and the FBI wont release what actually happened even 54 years later.

The Biggest Revelation Of The JFK File Releases Isn’t In The JFK Files
Seasoned conspiracy buffs refrained from getting their hopes up too high after President Trump’s announcement that he wouldn’t prevent the scheduled release of thousands of files pertaining to the assassination of President John F Kennedy by the National Archives. They were right to do so; hundreds of files ended up being held back which won’t be released until well into 2018, if at all.
Despite Trump’s assurances of eventual transparency, the probability of those files being released in full at that time is approximately zero. If they were going to be released, they would have been released as scheduled. The US intelligence community has had a quarter of a century to prepare for the release of those documents, yet they’re still being withheld at the request of the FBI and the CIA for further review on the grounds of “national security” concerns. Like that’s a thing. Like after fifty years documents pertaining to a president’s assassination could expose vulnerabilities in America’s nuclear arsenal or espionage operations or something.

:D

I guess Twitler isn't a perfect fit for you.
 
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