http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/james-madison-university-sexual-assault_n_5509163.html
Since there were apparently no criminal charges filed I doubt the video shows anything more than that it was a sexual act, not that it was non-consensual. They probably just took her word for it that it was assault. As in, "a female says it, we believe it, that settles it".
This is still on their records and thus it will make it virtually impossible for them to be admitted into any grad school.
I am not convinced this is a real case of sexual assault. Have you seen the video?
I haven't seen any video evidence. Have you? All we have is an unsourced synopsis by a writer for HuffPo.
So now you are saying they haven't committed any crime such as sexual assault? Which is it?
Either they committed sexual assault or they haven't. If they have not committed sexual assault why have they been expelled?
I'm not interested in the unsourced synopsis, I am interested in the video.
Since you have no idea what happened, there is no rationale basis for your assumptions.
You can have no ideas whether a) that is true or b) whether it is relevant to their life plans.
It was sufficiently real enough of a case to prompt JMU to act which is the only relevant issue here.
What I said there is unrelated to wanting to see the video for myself.
Yes, but presumably not the author. Which means the author got the synopsis from somebody else (maybe the accuser) and is thus hearsay.
That is extremely poor reasoning. You don't know what prompted JMU to act. Of course you can make any assumption you wish, but your assumptions reflect your mindset, not reality.
And we know from similar cases at Vassar, UND, Occidental, UGA and others that that doesn't mean very much. As I said "a female says it, college administrators believe it, that settles it".
So is it a crime or not? You and RavenSky seem to disagree.
JMU should be more like Vassar, UND, UGA and Occidental and expel more innocent male students. I bet these universities are not under any federal investigation because who cares about due process for accused male students. Surely not the Obama administration!
No, yours is extremely poor reasoning. You assume that because the university acted against the male students they had a good reason to do so.
The reality is that universities have been showing extreme willingness to punish male students accused of sexual assault in absence of sufficient evidence and frequently even with presence of exculpatory evidence. As such they have zero credibility.
Evidence for that? Have there been other cases of alleged bikini top pulling? Are there videos of that? YouTube?
Whether it is a crime is irrelevant. JMU disciplined the 3 people for violating school policy.
It seems the only relevant thing is that male students get punished, by hook or by crook, or by defining "sexual assault" much more broadly than the law does to cover pretty much anything.
No, I am making no assumptions about JMU's decision-making. I don't know if JMU acted harshly or lenienently or appropriately. All I know is that they felt they had to act and did so. I suppose I am assuming that they are not arbitrary and capricious in the decision-making, but I hardly think that is an unreasonable assumption.
There is no logical basis to generalize from a few cherry-picked examples from some universities to all universities. You might have a basis if you had some other evidence about JMU. In the absence of such evidence, your claims reflect your biases not reality.
I have no idea. Given your obvious expertise in this area, I thought you might have some actual evidence.
You seem to be under the delusion that school policy must conform to the local or federal criminal code. And you also seem to ignore that students agree to abide by school policy.
