Kaepernick's Grievance

[ronburgundy]

According to his ad campaign, that's still his twitter background, yes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Kaepernick7

His settlement has no relevance to that. Although you likely want to forget, his cause that he believes in and that the Ad refers to is not about the NFL or this collusion case. It is about the violent racist criminals who pollute US police departments and the corrupt justice system that goes to lengths to protect them from recourse. Going to trial or settling the NFL collusion case has no direct bearing on that cause. The enormous risk he took by making his protest for his actual cause is unchanged by the current settlement, which he had no way of expecting he would get. The fact that the NFL wanted to pay him to prevent the evidence of their wrongdoings being made public isn't his fault and doesn't undermine the level of sacrifice he made when he made it, nor does his acceptance of the settlement undermine his sincerity in his actual beliefs and cause the started the whole thing and has nothing to do with the NFL actions.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kaep is an idiot who (along with other BLM activists) helped get Trump elected by encouraging blacks and BLM supporters not to vote in 2016. I also think the nature of his protest was poorly thought out and the predictable backlash ultimately harmed his own cause or at least negated much of the attention he brought to the issue.
But he still showed more ethics, selflessness, and principles than the NFL, it's owners, or their racist fans who the NFL was trying to appease by keeping him out of the league, which they obviously did, regardless of whether the court standards for proving an explicit collusion could be met.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Colin Kaepernick, Eric Reid reach settlement in collusion case vs. NFL | SI.com

Confidential agreements are the worst.

Makes you wonder what could ever cause a heroic fighter for truth and justice to agree to one.

The fact that the NFL’s decision to settle has proved his point. The amount and terms are just details. The league was probably deathly afraid of having some of their more clueless owners testifying under oath.

 

[untermensche]

Colin Kaepernick, Eric Reid reach settlement in collusion case vs. NFL | SI.com

Confidential agreements are the worst.

Makes you wonder what could ever cause a heroic fighter for truth and justice to agree to one.

The fact that the NFL’s decision to settle has proved his point. The amount and terms are just details. The league was probably deathly afraid of having some of their more clueless owners testifying under oath.

Most of these owners are authoritarian scumbags.

It doesn't take collusion for them to not want free thinkers around.

Trump makes his cabinet say nice things about him.

So many people that inherited great wealth like Trump and his man boys are total assholes.

 

[dismal]

Colin Kaepernick, Eric Reid reach settlement in collusion case vs. NFL | SI.com

Confidential agreements are the worst.

Makes you wonder what could ever cause a heroic fighter for truth and justice to agree to one.

The fact that the NFL’s decision to settle has proved his point. The amount and terms are just details. The league was probably deathly afraid of having some of their more clueless owners testifying under oath.

People with money settle meritless cases to make them go away. It costs time and money to fight frivolous lawsuits.

If kaepernick had some evidence I’d guess we’d know about it.

 

[laughing dog]

The fact that the NFL’s decision to settle has proved his point. The amount and terms are just details. The league was probably deathly afraid of having some of their more clueless owners testifying under oath.

People with money settle meritless cases to make them go away. It costs time and money to fight frivolous lawsuits.

If kaepernick had some evidence I’d guess we’d know about it.

Of course it did not occur to you that the reason the settlement is not public is because the NFL does not want the evidence public?

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

The fact that the NFL’s decision to settle has proved his point. The amount and terms are just details. The league was probably deathly afraid of having some of their more clueless owners testifying under oath.

People with money settle meritless cases to make them go away. It costs time and money to fight frivolous lawsuits.

If kaepernick had some evidence I’d guess we’d know about it.

LOL. The NFL just paid big money to bury the evidence. And you’re ignoring the gag order that kept it under wraps before now.

Given how incredibly hard it would have been to prove collusion, there’s no way the all-powerful NFL settled a meritless case. And an arbitrator had already ruled that it had merit. They were just afraid of what would come out.

 

[dismal]

I

The fact that the NFL’s decision to settle has proved his point. The amount and terms are just details. The league was probably deathly afraid of having some of their more clueless owners testifying under oath.

People with money settle meritless cases to make them go away. It costs time and money to fight frivolous lawsuits.

If kaepernick had some evidence I’d guess we’d know about it.

LOL. The NFL just paid big money to bury the evidence. And you’re ignoring the gag order that kept it under wraps before now.

Given how incredibly hard it would have been to prove collusion, there’s no way the all-powerful NFL settled a meritless case. And an arbitrator had already ruled that it had merit. They were just afraid of what would come out.

So, we know two things: 1) when the lawsuit was filed there was not a shred of evidence in it (we discussed it here) 2) there never was any indication any evidence was found in the fishing expedition.

Let’s say you’re kaep and you had found a bunch of evidence. You are on a quest for justice and to put pressure on the NFL to give you money (if not win the suit!). Why wouldn’t you release some of the evidence? Why hasn’t it been dripping out?

 

[ronburgundy]

The fact that the NFL’s decision to settle has proved his point. The amount and terms are just details. The league was probably deathly afraid of having some of their more clueless owners testifying under oath.

People with money settle meritless cases to make them go away. It costs time and money to fight frivolous lawsuits.

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A bullshit excuse refuted by the NFL's proven track record of not being willing to settle legal cases, including the most frivolous cases imaginable (deflategate) that they fought for years and spent tens of millions and didn't spend triple that only b/c Brady chose not to appeal. Plus, the NFL had already spent almost 2 years and millions fighting this case and only settled once it came time for the information to go public.

Not to mention, the extremely dangerous precedent that the NFL just set for itself by settling a case such as this. There is now a precedent to encourage very player that winds up not getting signed one year to sue and get a payday. There is no way in hell the NFL would set that precedent if they didn't know that it was still better for them than allowing the public to hear the depositions of the owners and the facts of this case.

It is beyond any reasonable doubt that this settlement was hush money to suppress public knowledge of the damning facts that they knew would come out.

And more generally, this is the reason why most big corporations settle before trial. Settlements of truly baseless cases set precedents that cost the company more in the long run than it would to go to trial and soundly and quickly win the case (which should be easy in any actual frivolous case) to discourage future suits. Companies settle when it is NOT frivolous and there is enough evidence against them to either risk losing or at least to damage them PR wise. That is especially true if the case is already international front page news before the settlement, because then the settlement serves no purpose to keep the public from even being aware of the case and can only serve to keep the public ignorant of the facts that are clearly worse than settling and making obvious they are hiding something.

 

[ronburgundy]

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LOL. The NFL just paid big money to bury the evidence. And you’re ignoring the gag order that kept it under wraps before now.

Given how incredibly hard it would have been to prove collusion, there’s no way the all-powerful NFL settled a meritless case. And an arbitrator had already ruled that it had merit. They were just afraid of what would come out.

So, we know two things: 1) when the lawsuit was filed there was not a shred of evidence in it (we discussed it here) 2) there never was any indication any evidence was found in the fishing expedition.

Let’s say you’re kaep and you had found a bunch of evidence. You are on a quest for justice and to put pressure on the NFL to give you money (if not win the suit!). Why wouldn’t you release some of the evidence? Why hasn’t it been dripping out?

Because there was a gag-order issued that made it illegal for Kaep to leak any information and would have caused to whole suit to be dismissed if he had. Also, the most damning evidence was always going to be in the depositions of the owner's, GMs, Godell, etc., that were not-coincidentally about the begin, which is why the NFL settled now rather than before 18 months, many millions in lawyer fees, and bad press.

 

[ZiprHead]

Report: Colin Kaepernick paid in $60 to $80 million range by NFL

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

I

LOL. The NFL just paid big money to bury the evidence. And you’re ignoring the gag order that kept it under wraps before now.

Given how incredibly hard it would have been to prove collusion, there’s no way the all-powerful NFL settled a meritless case. And an arbitrator had already ruled that it had merit. They were just afraid of what would come out.

So, we know two things: 1) when the lawsuit was filed there was not a shred of evidence in it (we discussed it here) 2) there never was any indication any evidence was found in the fishing expedition.

Let’s say you’re kaep and you had found a bunch of evidence. You are on a quest for justice and to put pressure on the NFL to give you money (if not win the suit!). Why wouldn’t you release some of the evidence? Why hasn’t it been dripping out?

Are you really too stupid to understand a gag order? Are you really too stupid to understand that the suit was filed so his legal team could get access to private communications and could force owners and staff to submit to interviews under oath?

You’re a waste of electrons.

 

[dismal]

I

LOL. The NFL just paid big money to bury the evidence. And you’re ignoring the gag order that kept it under wraps before now.

Given how incredibly hard it would have been to prove collusion, there’s no way the all-powerful NFL settled a meritless case. And an arbitrator had already ruled that it had merit. They were just afraid of what would come out.

So, we know two things: 1) when the lawsuit was filed there was not a shred of evidence in it (we discussed it here) 2) there never was any indication any evidence was found in the fishing expedition.

Let’s say you’re kaep and you had found a bunch of evidence. You are on a quest for justice and to put pressure on the NFL to give you money (if not win the suit!). Why wouldn’t you release some of the evidence? Why hasn’t it been dripping out?

Are you really too stupid to understand a gag order? Are you really too stupid to understand that the suit was filed so his legal team could get access to private communications and could force owners and staff to submit to interviews under oath?

You’re a waste of electrons.

What “gag order”? The one that Kaepernick accepted a day ago? Do you imagine that was in effect this whole time?

Tip: it wasn’t.

 

[untermensche]

Only a child wouldn't understand that Kaepernick was black balled because of the protests.

Much worse QB's were hired before him on many teams.

And whether you think protesting injustice should cost you your career or not is the only issue.

 

[laughing dog]

Are you really too stupid to understand a gag order? Are you really too stupid to understand that the suit was filed so his legal team could get access to private communications and could force owners and staff to submit to interviews under oath?

You’re a waste of electrons.

What “gag order”? The one that Kaepernick accepted a day ago? Do you imagine that was in effect this whole time?

Tip: it wasn’t.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Most grievance procedures with unions require confidentiality during the process. Anyone familiar with this case or who can Google knows there has been a gag order for sometime. It was reported that Denver Bronco GM John Elway may have violated the gag order in August, 2018 ( see https://sports.yahoo.com/colin-kaepernicks-lawyer-john-elway-violated-gag-order-collusion-case-230413175.html[/URL for one report).

 

[untermensche]

Yeah. That was just the post resolution gag order.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Are you really too stupid to understand a gag order? Are you really too stupid to understand that the suit was filed so his legal team could get access to private communications and could force owners and staff to submit to interviews under oath?

You’re a waste of electrons.

What “gag order”? The one that Kaepernick accepted a day ago? Do you imagine that was in effect this whole time?

Tip: it wasn’t.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Most grievance procedures with unions require confidentiality during the process. Anyone familiar with this case or who can Google knows there has been a gag order for sometime. It was reported that Denver Bronco GM John Elway may have violated the gag order in August, 2018 ( see https://sports.yahoo.com/colin-kaepernicks-lawyer-john-elway-violated-gag-order-collusion-case-230413175.html[/URL for one report).

We're wasting our time with this fuckwit. Can't even Google "Kaepernick gag order" before spouting lies.

 

[steve_bank]

It is ironic considering that as an institution pro sports has probably did more to combat racism than any other institution.

Pro sports was openly racists and not open to blacks. Managers and owners would say publicly no 'niggers' will be hired on their teams. There was a good documentary on the history of black basketball narrated by Jabar.

He was in decline as an athlete, and also he is not black he is biracial.

Kaepernick' was harking back to the days when black athletes made the black power salute at the Olympics. Yes there are issues, but he seems like a whining rich kid.

We have freedom of speech but not freedom from consequences. He made a choice and has to live with it. If I had heros Ali would be one of them and not for sports. He took a moral stand and took the consequences. He lost everything not knowing if he would get it all back.

Tiger Woods said when questioned on his biracial black Asian ethnicity said he was not black he was American.

 

[untermensche]

Yes there are issues, but he seems like a whining rich kid.

He felt like he couldn't salute the flag because of social injustice.

The flag has nothing to do with football or concussions.

He started by just sitting but a member of the military told him that sitting was disrespectful and he should kneel instead because kneeling is a posture of respect.

He respectfully knelt.

That anyone had a problem with it merely displays a problem with them and with the lockstep mentality of many Americans.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Here is the official document for the grievance:
https://www.scribd.com/document/361...urce=impactradius&medium=affiliate#from_embed

What merit does it have? Personally, I think it has some merit in that it identifies behaviors of the owners/NFL.

What gaps does it have? Personally, it isn't clear to me that it adequately demonstrates owners cooperating with each other toward the goal of not hiring Kaepernick.

What things are yet to be determined? Lawyers might request some documents even if they cannot subpoena anything. What such documents may say are to be determined. Anything else?

Here are some interesting things I was unaware of:

On or around October 10, 2017, NFL Commissioner Goodell announced a proposed NFL rule change requiring players to stand during the national anthem...

The owners of Respondent NFL Teams have been quoted describing their communications with President Trump, who has been an organizing force in the collusion among team owners in their conduct towards Mr. Kaepernick and other NFL players. Owners have described the Trump Administration as causing paradigm shifts in their views toward NFL players.

NFL General Managers and team leaders have referred to directives from NFL owners to not let Mr. Kaepernick so much as practice with a team.

He's an athlete. It's not a real job. Why not just be grateful for the time he was allowed to play around and get paid massive amounts of money for it? I hate privileged asses. He learned the hard way that sports is pure entertainment, and people watch it in order to not get reminded of politics and the real world. It's 100% pure escapism and he ruined that for the public, and now they don't want to see him. Bu the fuck hu.

 

[untermensche]

He's an athlete. It's not a real job.

He an athletic performer. People willingly pay to watch him and other's like him perform.

It is entertainment. Man does not live by bread alone.

And it is most definitely a job. A very difficult job that 99.9% of people can't do.

You have no point.