Learner said:
Well I'll have to admit here (not that it was a hidden thing) and as coming from a different angle, I never knew much about the cosmological argument and a few others, (if I did at all) not untill I read Lion's and Remez's posts (plus others in discussion) and believe it or not : discovered who William Lane Craig was (genuine thanks to members on the forum ) I leave other theists to it , not needing to attempt to try and understand if I think its a little complex to delve into (I'm converted anyway).
The Cosmological Argument, as against
spontaneity-of-the-gaps, is as easy to understand (parsimonious) as the claim that a stationary billiard ball sitting on a billiard table won't suddenly
start moving spontaneously. It certainly won't randomly start moving (for no apparent reason) in a straight line at the exact required angle aimed directly towards the back left pocket.
Science doesn't claim that the billiard ball will start moving spontaneously. As Newton's first law of motion tells us, a body at rest (with respect to some local coordinate system, in this case the table) will remain at rest unless it is acted upon by an unbalanced force. I think you are confusing the quantum world with the macroscopic reality we experience through our senses. They are very different things. In the quantum world, particles can pop into existence out of nothing, and then disappear very shortly after. In the world we experience, the world of humans and trees and tables, billiard balls don't pop out of existence out of nothing, nor do they start moving or experience changes in momentum unless it is through their interaction with matter/energy.
The billiard ball not move unless it is acted upon by an unbalanced force. However, given enough time, the arrow of time dictates that the ball will start to erode away as the outer molecules making up the ball detach themselves from the surface of the ball and drift away. But this is a completely different phenomenon than the one you described.
Also noteworthy is the fact that although the ball is stationary from our perspective, it is, in fact, moving at an enormous speed along with the planet it is sitting on the surface of. Nothing in the universe is truly static.
And yet according to atheism we are expected to believe that such a spooky scenario is a perfectly reasonable theory and better alternative to the theistic First Cause argument which says that deliberate (personal) intent is the instigator of such an event.
See above. The ball will not move by itself. However, at the fundamental level our reality behaves very differently than objects we perceive with our senses, and this behavior is described by quantum mechanics. The science of Quantum Mechanics is well established, and verified through countless experiments.
If you want your argument for an intelligent creator to be taken seriously, you have to do better than to point at scripture. You have to explain how this creator came to exist, how it exists without being subject to the arrow of time, how it created the universe out of nothing, and how it created life from dust. You know this, but you don't have any answers or evidence to support your beliefs, so you keep waving your hands around and attacking science. You have nothing, and you and I both know that.
Atheism traces to motion of the billiard ball back in time to when it first started moving (Big Bang) and wants us to believe that the ball spontaneously popped into existence and began to roll. And when asked why the billard ball is not only moving but accelerating, once again, they appeal to spooky invisible dark energy whose ways are mysterious and beyond understanding.
Again, this is incorrect. The billiard ball did not spontaneously pop into existence, it was created by humans. However, the conditions that allowed humans and the billiard ball to exist can be traced back to the initial conditions when our universe began. That much is true.
Dark energy is a placeholder. We don't understand dark energy today, but we can study the effect it has on spacetime. If we keep studying the problem we will probably solve it one day. That is how science works. Just because we don't currently understand what dark energy is doesn't mean your preferred supernatural creature created the universe. Even if we are completely wrong about dark energy it still wouldn't be evidence that your preferred god exists. You understand this, right?
And when the perfectly aimed billiard ball lands squarely in the pocket we are still told it's not billiards - but some trompe L'oel which our pattern seeking brains are imagining.
Our brains see patterns everywhere, probably because it helped our ancestors survive in the wilderness before we invented civilization. But our minds deceive us all the time. Children see monsters in the closet, adults see gods. Especially if said adults have been indoctrinated into believing in supernatural gods from early childhood.
I get it. Through your flawed analogy you wanted to show us that life couldn't possibly exist without the actions of some supernatural creator. You want to believe in god so badly that you are willing to ignore facts and reason. But I'm not.
