Kentucky sheriff's department sued over handcuffing of eight-year-old boy

[Toni]

I'm going to go ahead and posit that the people defending handcuffing the kid(s) don't actually have kids or deal with them on a regular basis.

I'm going to go ahead and posit that people who think handcuffing a kid is any more extreme than how most parents restrain their kids who are hitting are irrational ideologues incapable of reason. And I'm going to go ahead and posit that anyone claiming that kids never need to be physically restrained know nothing about kids (they may have them, but that means nothing as to knowing about them).

I'm pretty sure I'd go to jail for putting my kid or anybody else's kid in handcuffs.

I'm pretty sure that most of us here know the difference between sending a kid to his room and putting the kid in handcuffs.

I'm also pretty sure that you know very little about...(fill in the blank. With anything. Really. Anything at all.)

 

[ksen]

I'm going to go ahead and posit that the people defending handcuffing the kid(s) don't actually have kids or deal with them on a regular basis.

I'm going to go ahead and posit that people who think handcuffing a kid is any more extreme than how most parents restrain their kids who are hitting are irrational ideologues incapable of reason. And I'm going to go ahead and posit that anyone claiming that kids never need to be physically restrained know nothing about kids (they may have them, but that means nothing as to knowing about them).

I knew it.

 

[fast]

Nm

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm going to go ahead and posit that the people defending handcuffing the kid(s) don't actually have kids or deal with them on a regular basis.

I'm going to go ahead and posit that people who think handcuffing a kid is any more extreme than how most parents restrain their kids who are hitting are irrational ideologues incapable of reason. And I'm going to go ahead and posit that anyone claiming that kids never need to be physically restrained know nothing about kids (they may have them, but that means nothing as to knowing about them).

Kentucky law indicates restraints are only allowed in extreme cases. Are you suggesting this was an extreme case?

 

[KeepTalking]

Here is the description from the article of why the police officer was called to the school:


So, apparently, the kid was handcuffed for leaving the vice-principle's office without permission. Yep, that's some downright violent and dangerous behavior there, worthy of a good handcuffing.

Wrong as usual. Your conclusion is completely invalid given the facts. We don't know why he was removed from class and taken to the principles office, except that his lawyers are trying to whitewash it with the excuse of "behaviors due to his disabilities", which are "disabilities" for which physical aggression is a common symptom and often a primary basis for diagnosis. In addition, the cop did not handcuff the boy as soon as he arrived, showing definitively that you are wrong and that leaving the office was not the primary factor. The video makes it clear there was some altercation prior to the handcuffing that at minimum involved the kid doing something that the cop thought was an attempt to punch him, which combined with why the kid might have been removed from class in the first place, and given his "disability", his likely prior behaviors and response to the resulting discipline, would be the likely reason why he was handcuffed.

Incorrect. You are assuming facts that are not in evidence. We only know that the officer was called because the boy attempted to leave the Vice Principal's office without permission, and that he was handcuffed by the officer at some point after the officer arrived. Everything else you typed above is speculation.

 

[KeepTalking]

I'm going to go ahead and posit that the people defending handcuffing the kid(s) don't actually have kids or deal with them on a regular basis.

I'm going to go ahead and posit that people who think handcuffing a kid is any more extreme than how most parents restrain their kids who are hitting are irrational ideologues incapable of reason. And I'm going to go ahead and posit that anyone claiming that kids never need to be physically restrained know nothing about kids (they may have them, but that means nothing as to knowing about them).

Try having someone restrain you by holding your arms at your side, and then by holding your arms behind you so that your elbows are nearly touching. I guarantee you one of these positions is more painful than the other, and is also unnecessary when an adult is restraining an 8 year old child.

 

[Toni]

Here is the description from the article of why the police officer was called to the school:


So, apparently, the kid was handcuffed for leaving the vice-principle's office without permission. Yep, that's some downright violent and dangerous behavior there, worthy of a good handcuffing.

Wrong as usual. Your conclusion is completely invalid given the facts. We don't know why he was removed from class and taken to the principles office, except that his lawyers are trying to whitewash it with the excuse of "behaviors due to his disabilities", which are "disabilities" for which physical aggression is a common symptom and often a primary basis for diagnosis.

We do not know why this child was removed from the classroom. We do not have any description of the actions or behaviors which led to his removal and being sent to the principal's office.

We won't know, either, because the kid is 8 years old.

In addition, the cop did not handcuff the boy as soon as he arrived, showing definitively that you are wrong and that leaving the office was not the primary factor. The video makes it clear there was some altercation prior to the handcuffing that at minimum involved the kid doing something that the cop thought was an attempt to punch him, which combined with why the kid might have been removed from class in the first place, and given his "disability", his likely prior behaviors and response to the resulting discipline, would be the likely reason why he was handcuffed.

We hear the cop for hire say that the kid tried to hit him. We don't see that happen. Thank heavens cops never lie or exaggerate.

He was handcuffed because that's the training that police receive as a way of dealing with unruly suspects or any suspect being taken into custody.

They receive no training for how to deal with young children, which is one of the many reasons that they do not belong in an elementary school setting.

The officer was not equipped with appropriate restraints, if there are such things, for a person of this child's size and in fact, had to use them in a way for which they were not designed because the child was too small to fit them. Because handcuffs are not designed to be used on children. Because they are children.

 

[laughing dog]

Because the cop was physically restraining him by the time the video starts, and physical restraint can stop a physical tantrum where calming words fail......

Which mean the handcuffs were unnecessary at that point, so the rest of that response is moot. Unless you are implying that handcuffing a child is appropriate punishment for swinging at a police officer.

We don't agree. As always, you distort others statements to suit your ends. Handcuffs are not Goose-stepping authority. ..

I didn't write that it was. You missed some boot polish.

Given the video, nothing is far fetched.....

The child was crying and calming down, so yes, your conjectures appear far-fetched and irrelevant.

 

[arkirk]

Which mean the handcuffs were unnecessary at that point, so the rest of that response is moot. Unless you are implying that handcuffing a child is appropriate punishment for swinging at a police officer.

We don't agree. As always, you distort others statements to suit your ends. Handcuffs are not Goose-stepping authority. ..

I didn't write that it was. You missed some boot polish.

Given the video, nothing is far fetched.....

The child was crying and calming down, so yes, your conjectures appear far-fetched.

From the look of things it appears the cop felt he could not physically control this eight year old and relied on his trusty handcuffs. In all fairness, we do not know what came before the video started, but the handcuffs seem gross overkill in this situation. Now that is just me speaking. I have had the occasion to have to restrain a child while his tantrum eased and never used handcuffs or any other form of pain inducing restraint on the child. It appears that could have been done here, but wasn't.

 

[laughing dog]

I'm going to go ahead and posit that the people defending handcuffing the kid(s) don't actually have kids or deal with them on a regular basis.

I'm going to go ahead and posit that people who think handcuffing a kid is any more extreme than how most parents restrain their kids who are hitting are irrational ideologues incapable of reason. And I'm going to go ahead and posit that anyone claiming that kids never need to be physically restrained know nothing about kids (they may have them, but that means nothing as to knowing about them).

I don't know how "most parents" restrain their children where you live, but everywhere I have lived, handcuffing an 8 year old arms behind his back would, at the minimum, merit a visit from child services.

 

[Tristan Scott]

Looks like the ACLU has filed a lawsuit against the deputy and the school for violating the Disabilities Act.http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/04/lawsuit-ky-deputy-shackled-2-disabled-students/31102823/

 

[Frikki]

I work as a dispatcher and I have never heard of police here in Iceland handcuffing a small child or spraying them. Is it that US police are pussies?

 

[ksen]

yes

 

[laughing dog]

You people obviously have no idea how most real people restrain their children.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I work as a dispatcher and I have never heard of police here in Iceland handcuffing a small child or spraying them. Is it that US police are pussies?

The word is sociopath. Though not all cops are sociopaths. Only the ones that do crap like this.

 

[ZiprHead]

Why didn't they call the kids fucking parents?

 

[Togo]

I work as a dispatcher and I have never heard of police here in Iceland handcuffing a small child or spraying them. Is it that US police are pussies?

Pretty much. They're poorly paid, poorly trained, poorly regarded, and often badly treated by local municpalities. As a result they don't really get the respect they need to do their job. Because of this they end up using physical retraint and firearms to reinforce their own importance. In this case it seems unlikely that the 8-year old needed to be restrained, and more likely that he was being handcuffed in response to daring to defy the police officer.

 

[ZiprHead]

My guess is if someone did that to that cop's kid, the cop would have gone ballistic.

 

[Frikki]

I work as a dispatcher and I have never heard of police here in Iceland handcuffing a small child or spraying them. Is it that US police are pussies?

Pretty much. They're poorly paid, poorly trained, poorly regarded, and often badly treated by local municpalities. As a result they don't really get the respect they need to do their job. Because of this they end up using physical retraint and firearms to reinforce their own importance. In this case it seems unlikely that the 8-year old needed to be restrained, and more likely that he was being handcuffed in response to daring to defy the police officer.

DOn´t get me wrong, I have degree in Crim, I have worked in law enforcement and I work with cops day in and day, I´m not anti police but the incompetence and cowardice displayed is mind boggling.

 

[credoconsolans]

Much ado about nothing.

ADHD does not excuse violence toward others.

That's the reason the school called the police in the first place. The school was concerned with the kids' violence toward others. What's the cop supposed to do with a violent child who won't behave? Tase the kid? Let him run wild?

My mom - who worked in a grade school - saw kids attack teachers, trying to scratch out their eyes or kick them in the groin. Nice.

He did the right thing.

Just saw an interview where a 'counselor' or someone is now explaining how the kid is having trouble sleeping and 'suffering' from this incident.

It's shocking that she doesn't think ADHD is why the kid having trouble sleeping since that IS a trait of ADHD sufferers.

As for the kid being afraid...maybe it's the first time he's ever been held accountable for his actions and suddenly he doesn't get his way anymore...yeah, that could scare him.

Stuff and nonsense.