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Kentucky sheriff's department sued over handcuffing of eight-year-old boy

I got the impression from the clip on the televised news that this isn't all that uncommon.
 
PTSD?! What happened that resulted in PTSD for such a young kid?

In the world of parenting, and in all other things, there is a thing called "choosing your fights". This officer apparently has no concept of that. Granted, I know nothing else about this case, but it would seem only the most extreme cases would something like this be required... and that would mean something like the kid is trying to stab other kids. It should be noted that whatever happened, required an officer to show up at the school (unless they work there).

It is hard to imagine that such measures would be anywhere as effective as alternative ones designed to calm down the child.
 
I wonder why any school adm would want or allow a police officer instead of social worker, counselor or health professional deal with an unarmed young child with such problems who is not posing a dire imminent threat.
 
And what exactly should the cop have done with a kid trying to attack him?
 
No rational judgment of the cops actions can be made from that video. It could either represent an over-reaction with needless restraint, or a highly professional, sensible, an safe reaction to a child acting violently in the throws of a tantrum and unresponsive to reason. It seems like a cop working in a school should have restraints designed for younger kids, but regardless, such a restraint is unlikely to cause any actual pain or harm beyond the kid being upset about it. People are over-reacting to the symbolic imagery of the handcuffs.

PTSD?! What happened that resulted in PTSD for such a young kid?

These days, quite possibly nothing of note. Like ADHD, PTSD is probably another highly over-diagnosed childhood "disability" label slapped onto kids that do poorly in school and act out aggressively. The medical industry loves it for profit reasons, the parents get an excuse and a comforting rationalization, and the school gets extra funds plus a waiver from having the kids test scores count toward their own evaluations under NCLB.

In the world of parenting, and in all other things, there is a thing called "choosing your fights". This officer apparently has no concept of that. Granted, I know nothing else about this case, but it would seem only the most extreme cases would something like this be required... and that would mean something like the kid is trying to stab other kids.


So no adult should ever try to restrain a kid acting violently, unless the kid has a deadly weapon? IF the kid is being aggressive, swinging, throwing things (including expensive equiptment), the teachers and administrators should just back off and run awa if they can't calm him down with "Gee, Jimmy, its not nice to hit."? Handcuffs are not "extreme", they are actually a far safer way to restrain someone than other methods.


It is hard to imagine that such measures would be anywhere as effective as alternative ones designed to calm down the child.

ADHD and PTSD are highly associated with kids throwing aggressive tantrums in which they refuse to calm down and where your alternative methods are often ineffective.
In fact, these supposed "disabilities" are highly over-diagnosed with little in the way of objective symptoms other than aggression and a refusal to listen and cooperate with verbal requests.

laughing dog said:
I wonder why any school adm would want or allow a police officer instead of social worker, counselor or health professional deal with an unarmed young child with such problems who is not posing a dire imminent threat.

Perhaps because they had tried repeatedly in the past to calm this kid down and failed, or because he was being violent (i.e., "behaviors related to his disability") and they aren't trained to deal with that safely, or because stupid laws prohibit them from protecting from doing reasonable things that cops are allowed to do to protect themselves from violent kids.

BTW, note how much the lawyers are playing the "disability" card here. That implies that here is a higher legal bar for restraining "disabled" kids. That would be a rather stupid distinction, given that the "disabilities" in question are often diagnosed by behaviors that make the kid more of a danger to himself and others, and thus more likely to warrant restraint, than non "disabled" kids.

In sum, more details are needed to reveal whether this specific case warranted restraint. But at a more general level, it seems absurd to pretend that there are not kids who, even at age 8 and without a deadly weapon, should still be restrained, or that handcuffs or something similar are particularly extreme or damaging compared to other forms of restraint.
 
And what exactly should the cop have done with a kid trying to attack him?
Did you watch the video? The kid was crying and not violent. The police officer outweighed that child by at least 140+ lbs. Just holding him or letting sit would be sufficient.
 
And what exactly should the cop have done with a kid trying to attack him?
Certainly not used non-violent methods. He should have killed the kid.

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These days, quite possibly nothing of note. Like ADHD, PTSD is probably another highly over-diagnosed childhood "disability" label slapped onto kids that do poorly in school and act out aggressively. The medical industry loves it for profit reasons, the parents get an excuse and a comforting rationalization, and the school gets extra funds plus a waiver from having the kids test scores count toward their own evaluations under NCLB.
ADHD sure, but PTSD?
 
No rational judgment of the cops actions can be made from that video. It could either represent an over-reaction with needless restraint, or a highly professional, sensible, an safe reaction to a child acting violently in the throws of a tantrum and unresponsive to reason. It seems like a cop working in a school should have restraints designed for younger kids, but regardless, such a restraint is unlikely to cause any actual pain or harm beyond the kid being upset about it.
The child was not in any throes of a tantrum when the police officer was cuffing his arms behind his back. If there was a tantrum, it was clearly over.
N
People are over-reacting to the symbolic imagery of the handcuffs.
We agree - the goosestepping bootlicks of police authority are at it again.


Perhaps because they had tried repeatedly in the past to calm this kid down and failed, or because he was being violent (i.e., "behaviors related to his disability") and they aren't trained to deal with that safely, or because stupid laws prohibit them from protecting from doing reasonable things that cops are allowed to do to protect themselves from violent kids.
Given the video, your conjectures seem far-fetched.
 
Story says this deputy has a habit of handcuffing kids.

He's probably a pedo.
 
Story says this deputy has a habit of handcuffing kids.

He's probably a pedo.
One would hope that officers assigned to such duties receive adequate education and training on how to deal with young children. I will give this officer credit - he did not appear out of control. Which suggests to me that he was trained to cuff children in these situations.
 
No rational judgment of the cops actions can be made from that video. It could either represent an over-reaction with needless restraint, or a highly professional, sensible, an safe reaction to a child acting violently in the throws of a tantrum and unresponsive to reason. It seems like a cop working in a school should have restraints designed for younger kids, but regardless, such a restraint is unlikely to cause any actual pain or harm beyond the kid being upset about it. People are over-reacting to the symbolic imagery of the handcuffs.

Here is the description from the article of why the police officer was called to the school:
linked article said:
He was taken to the vice-principal’s office and after the boy tried to get away from the office the police officer was called.

So, apparently, the kid was handcuffed for leaving the vice-principle's office without permission. Yep, that's some downright violent and dangerous behavior there, worthy of a good handcuffing. :rolleyes:
 
I'm going to go ahead and posit that the people defending handcuffing the kid(s) don't actually have kids or deal with them on a regular basis.
 
he child was not in any throes of a tantrum when the police officer was cuffing his arms behind his back.

Because the cop was physically restraining him by the time the video starts, and physical restraint can stop a physical tantrum where calming words fail.
Why was he being disciplined in the first place and why are the lawyers trying to cover that fact up with nonsense like "for behaviors related to his disability?" When the cop very calmly told the kid "You cannot swing at me like that.", did he just make it up? Why wasn't the kid restrained before hand and why were the restraints later removed if it had nothing to do with the kids's physical aggression? Like I said, we (including you don't know the preceding fact to know whether this kid was engaged in behaviors that warranted restraint, but all the facts we have a highly consistent with that scenario and nothing suggests otherwise. BTW, tantrum is just an example of such a scenario, but is by no means necessary to warrant physical restraint. Physical aggression and property destroying acts are sufficient and don't require a full blown emotional tantrum in any clinical sense.

N
People are over-reacting to the symbolic imagery of the handcuffs.
We agree - the goosestepping bootlicks of police authority at it again.

We don't agree. As always, you distort others statements to suit your ends. Handcuffs are not Goose-stepping authority. That is irrational hysteria. They are objectively less harmful and dangerous than other methods used constantly by non-abusive adults and parents to restrain their child in such situations. The handcuffs add nothing to the objective analysis of the situation. The right or wrongness of the cops actions are the same as they would be without the cuffs and if he had just held the boys hands down by his side so he couldn't swing his arms.


Perhaps because they had tried repeatedly in the past to calm this kid down and failed, or because he was being violent (i.e., "behaviors related to his disability") and they aren't trained to deal with that safely, or because stupid laws prohibit them from protecting from doing reasonable things that cops are allowed to do to protect themselves from violent kids.
Given the video, your conjectures seem far-fetched.

Given the video, nothing is far fetched since the video shows us zero context or zero facts about anything prior to the cop putting the cuffs on him. All we know is that he has "disabilities" largely identified with aggressive acting out, and was pulled from class for "behavior due to his disabilities". The video only begins after the cop has physical control over the kid, and who, btw, is being very calm and non-emotional with the boy and promising he will remove the handcuffs as soon as the boy calms down. I guess with an irrational imagination and cartoonish understanding of human behavior, you could think that any kid that ever is physically aggressive must always be so 100% of the time, thus you know this kid is never like that because in the 1 minute video you saw he wasn't frothing at the mouth and running about smashing into the walls.

Again, unlike you, I am not implying that this particular instance was clearly justified or unjustified use of restraints, because I form rational conclusions and there isn't enough info to form one. I am merely pointing out that all the facts are highly consistent with efforts to restrain a kid engaged in destructive physical aggression and nothing precludes this possibility. I am also arguing that more generally, plenty of situations warrant restraint and this form is no more extreme than others.
 
I'm going to go ahead and posit that the people defending handcuffing the kid(s) don't actually have kids or deal with them on a regular basis.

I'm going to go ahead and posit that people who think handcuffing a kid is any more extreme than how most parents restrain their kids who are hitting are irrational ideologues incapable of reason. And I'm going to go ahead and posit that anyone claiming that kids never need to be physically restrained know nothing about kids (they may have them, but that means nothing as to knowing about them).
 
Here is the description from the article of why the police officer was called to the school:
linked article said:
He was taken to the vice-principal’s office and after the boy tried to get away from the office the police officer was called.

So, apparently, the kid was handcuffed for leaving the vice-principle's office without permission. Yep, that's some downright violent and dangerous behavior there, worthy of a good handcuffing. :rolleyes:

Wrong as usual. Your conclusion is completely invalid given the facts. We don't know why he was removed from class and taken to the principles office, except that his lawyers are trying to whitewash it with the excuse of "behaviors due to his disabilities", which are "disabilities" for which physical aggression is a common symptom and often a primary basis for diagnosis. In addition, the cop did not handcuff the boy as soon as he arrived, showing definitively that you are wrong and that leaving the office was not the primary factor. The video makes it clear there was some altercation prior to the handcuffing that at minimum involved the kid doing something that the cop thought was an attempt to punch him, which combined with why the kid might have been removed from class in the first place, and given his "disability", his likely prior behaviors and response to the resulting discipline, would be the likely reason why he was handcuffed.
 
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