Knife intifada in Germany

[Derec]

Immigrant from UAE charged in fatal knife attack at German supermarket, authorities say

German media reported that the man had Islamist views and was known to authorities. Der Tagesspiegel, a daily based in Berlin, said the suspect was of Palestinian ethnicity and had come to Germany seeking asylum. Eyewitnesses told reporters that he shouted “God is great” in Arabic during the attack.

He was born in UAE. There is no war in UAE. Muslims are not persecuted in UAE. Based on what was he allowed to seek "asylum" in GerMoney?
He was known to authorities as an Islamist. Why wasn't he deported long ago?

 

[laughing dog]

Immigrant from UAE charged in fatal knife attack at German supermarket, authorities say

German media reported that the man had Islamist views and was known to authorities. Der Tagesspiegel, a daily based in Berlin, said the suspect was of Palestinian ethnicity and had come to Germany seeking asylum. Eyewitnesses told reporters that he shouted “God is great” in Arabic during the attack.

He was born in UAE. There is no war in UAE. Muslims are not persecuted in UAE. Based on what was he allowed to seek "asylum" in GerMoney?
He was known to authorities as an Islamist. Why wasn't he deported long ago?

Probably because being an "Islamist" is not a deportable offense in Germany,and if you had bothered to read your report:

Scholz said the suspect should have been deported, a move that was not taken, he said, because the man had no papers.

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Kudos to the German citizenry who subdued this criminal without resorting to killing him.

 

[Derec]

Probably because being an "Islamist" is not a deportable offense in Germany,

Well maybe it should be. In any case, fraudulently seeking asylum is.

 

[fromderinside]

Immigrant from UAE charged in fatal knife attack at German supermarket, authorities say

German media reported that the man had Islamist views and was known to authorities. Der Tagesspiegel, a daily based in Berlin, said the suspect was of Palestinian ethnicity and had come to Germany seeking asylum. Eyewitnesses told reporters that he shouted “God is great” in Arabic during the attack.

He was born in UAE. There is no war in UAE. Muslims are not persecuted in UAE. Based on what was he allowed to seek "asylum" in GerMoney?
He was known to authorities as an Islamist. Why wasn't he deported long ago?

FYI: from wiki

The country is a federation of seven emirates, and was established on 2 December 1971. The constituent emirates are Abu Dhabi (which serves as the capital), Ajman, Dubai, Fujairah, Ras al-Khaimah, Sharjah and Umm al-Quwain. Each emirate is governed by an absolute monarch; together, they jointly form the Federal Supreme Council. One of the monarchs (traditionally always the Emir of Abu Dhabi) is selected as the President of the United Arab Emirates.

The UAE is criticised for its human rights record, including the specific interpretations of Sharia used in its legal system

Re: refugee - He may have crossed one or more of the royals?

Well now that he's done something Germans can seek to have him deported if they don't give a damn about recompense for injured citizens. In most democracies a person has to act on his violent beliefs before something is 'done' about her.

Definitely a racist tinged intro Derec.

We've been trying to get your president, the self centered vain responsibility shedding really overweight brass haired one, to understand this simple principle. You're not helping.

 

[laughing dog]

Probably because being an "Islamist" is not a deportable offense in Germany,

Well maybe it should be.

Maybe your unconstitutional views about the lack of the freedom of religion and thought should be a reasons to lose citizen and then be deported.

In any case, fraudulently seeking asylum is.

Okay. How do you know (as opposed to believe) he was fraudulently seeking asylum?

 

[Derec]

The UAE is criticised for its human rights record, including the specific interpretations of Sharia used in its legal system

Which means that an Islamist like Ahmad would feel right at home there. But maybe the "specific interpretation of Sharia" is not going far enough for Ahmad. After all, UAE is trying to attract foreign investment and travel, especially to Dubai, so they can't be too backward.

Re: refugee - He may have crossed one or more of the royals?

Pure speculation. Reality is that there is no war in UAE and Muslims and Palestinians are not persecuted for being Muslims and Palestinians. And if he is not safe in UAE because he for example advocates deposing the emirs and imposing a more direct Islamic rule, why the hell would somebody like that be welcomed in Germany or anywhere in Europe/West?
Should the West also take ISIS "refugees" from Mosul or Hamas "refugees" from Gaza should that government fall anytime soon?

Well now that he's done something Germans can seek to have him deported if they don't give a damn about recompense for injured citizens.

He probably doesn't have any assets to "recompense" the injured citizens. But by all means he should serve his prison sentence. But after that, he should be deported.

In most democracies a person has to act on his violent beliefs before something is 'done' about her.

Germany does have a provision to ban certain political affiliations. Nazi and communist parties were banned in for example.
Also, in all Democracies I know, there are differences in rights given to citizens and non-citizens. I think it is suicidal for country to tolerates that guests, who are very generously let in, work toward the destruction of the country.

Definitely a racist tinged intro Derec.

An Islamist ideology is not race.

We've been trying to get your president, the self centered vain responsibility shedding really overweight brass haired one, to understand this simple principle. You're not helping.

What do you mean "my president". He is your president as much as he is mine. The rest of that sentence is even less comprehensible.

 

[Derec]

Maybe your unconstitutional views about the lack of the freedom of religion and thought

1. Germany is not governed by the US constitution. While Germany does have freedom of religion, it is not quite as absolutist as our 1st Amendment and its interpretations over the decades.
2. Islamism (or Salafism specifically) is more of a political ideology than a religion anyway. Do you think German intelligence should not be surveil them either because it's a "religion"?
Unfortunaely German intelligence is acting more like a security monitor in that ad. They should do something about these creeps instead of just letting us know that an Islamist was "known to them" after they commit a terrorist act. The Berlin Christmas "Truck of Peace" terrorist was known to authorities too, as were the recent terrorists in UK.
3. Guests in a country do not have the same rights as citizens. Particularly about political activity.

should be a reasons to lose citizen and then be deported.

Huh?

Okay. How do you know (as opposed to believe) he was fraudulently seeking asylum?

He was born and lived in UAE. UAE is not war-torn and neither does it persecute Muslims or Palestinians.
Anybody can just claim asylum you know. Especially when they plan to abuse it to commit terrorists acts.

 

[Derec]

Kudos to the German citizenry who subdued this criminal without resorting to killing him.

Meh. I like the IDF response to the knife intifada better. Cheaper and the perp does not get released to try it again.
IDF: Attempted stabbing attack in West Bank, assailant killed

 

[laughing dog]

1. Germany is not not governed by the US constitution. While Germany does have freedom of religion, it is not quite as absolutist as our 1st Amendment and its interpretations over the decades.
2. Islamism (or Salafism specifically) is more of a political ideology than a religion anyway. Do you think German intelligence should not be surveil them either because it's a "religion"?
Unfortunaely German intelligence is acting more like a security monitor in that ad. They should do something about these creeps instead of just letting us know that an Islamist was "known to them" after they commit a terrorist act. The Berlin Christmas "Truck of Peace" terrorist was known to authorities too, as were the recent terrorists in UK.
3. Guests in a country do not have the same rights as citizens. Particularly about political activity.

You are in the USA. Your views are unconstitutional. Maybe you should be stripped of your citizenship and then deported.

He was born and lived in UAE. UAE is not war-torn and neither does it persecute Muslims or Palestinians.
Anybody can just claim asylum you know. Especially when they plan to abuse it to commit terrorists acts.

I asked how you knew, not what you believed. Knowledge in this case requires facts specific to this criminal's case, not "deductions". Do you have any facts specific to this person's asylum claim that points to fradulence?

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What do you mean "my president". He is your president as much as he is mine. The rest of that sentence is even less comprehensible.

Any fairminded and rational person can understand that sentence, even if they disagree with it.

 

[Juma]

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[J842P]

Immigrant from UAE charged in fatal knife attack at German supermarket, authorities say



He was born in UAE. There is no war in UAE. Muslims are not persecuted in UAE. Based on what was he allowed to seek "asylum" in GerMoney?
He was known to authorities as an Islamist. Why wasn't he deported long ago?

FYI: from wiki

The country is a federation of seven emirates, and was established on 2 December 1971. The constituent emirates are Abu Dhabi (which serves as the capital), Ajman, Dubai, Fujairah, Ras al-Khaimah, Sharjah and Umm al-Quwain. Each emirate is governed by an absolute monarch; together, they jointly form the Federal Supreme Council. One of the monarchs (traditionally always the Emir of Abu Dhabi) is selected as the President of the United Arab Emirates.

The UAE is criticised for its human rights record, including the specific interpretations of Sharia used in its legal system

Re: refugee - He may have crossed one or more of the royals?

Well now that he's done something Germans can seek to have him deported if they don't give a damn about recompense for injured citizens. In most democracies a person has to act on his violent beliefs before something is 'done' about her.

Definitely a racist tinged intro Derec.

We've been trying to get your president, the self centered vain responsibility shedding really overweight brass haired one, to understand this simple principle. You're not helping.

How is this racist at all? And as far as I know, Derec has never supported Trump.

 

[J842P]

Maybe your unconstitutional views about the lack of the freedom of religion and thought should be a reasons to lose citizen and then be deported.

I'm not sure if the constitution would impact the granting of citizenship. At the very least, political tests are pretty explicitly part of the naturalization process. I don't know. I know Catholics were restricted in their immigration, but I'm not sure if that was ever direct.

 

[laughing dog]

Maybe your unconstitutional views about the lack of the freedom of religion and thought should be a reasons to lose citizen and then be deported.

I'm not sure if the constitution would impact the granting of citizenship. At the very least, political tests are pretty explicitly part of the naturalization process. I don't know. I know Catholics were restricted in their immigration, but I'm not sure if that was ever direct.

I was extending his implicit standard of a thought test for deportation to show its implications, not actually advocating such a pernicious policy.

 

[Derec]

You are in the USA.

Correct. About the only thing that is.

Your views are unconstitutional.

Where in the constitution is there a prohibition on having views of what Germany (or any other country) should do?
Of all the stupid things you have said over the years, this one might take the cake.

Maybe you should be stripped of your citizenship and then deported.

Your grasp of constitutional law is amazingly absent.

I asked how you knew, not what you believed. Knowledge in this case requires facts specific to this criminal's case, not "deductions". Do you have any facts specific to this person's asylum claim that points to fradulence?

Ok, so I do not know 100%, but the probability he somehow had a legitimate asylum case is infinitesimal, based on him coming from a safe country that is not persecuting people like him (Muslim, Palestinian).

Any fairminded and rational person can understand that sentence, even if they disagree with it.

Bringing up Trump when we are talking about terrorism in Germany is a complete non-sequitur.
If you want to mention politicians, why not Angela "we can do this" Merkel or Martin "migrants are more valuable than gold" Schulz.

 

[Derec]

I was extending his implicit standard of a thought test for deportation to show its implications

BS. We were talking about Germany. US constitution is irrelevant.
And Germany has a constitutional and legal framework to deal with extremist political ideologies. It just needs to be more consistently applied to Islamist ideologies and deportations need to be conducted more swiftly. Ahmad's asylum application was rejected - so why was he still living in a refugee dormitory and not been deported?

 

[laughing dog]

Correct. About the only thing that is.

Your views are unconstitutional.

Where in the constitution is there a prohibition on having views of what Germany (or any other country) should do?
Of all the stupid things you have said over the years, this one might take the cake.

Maybe you should be stripped of your citizenship and then deported.

Your grasp of constitutional law is amazingly absent.

It is hard to imagine that you are this deliberately obtuse. I was applying your bigoted and idiotic standard that appropriate thoughts are required for residency. It was a hypothetical example to show how fucking stupid your observation is. Thanks for doubling down on that.

Ok, so I do not know 100%, but the probability he somehow had a legitimate asylum case is infinitesimal, based on him coming from a safe country that is not persecuting people like him (Muslim, Palestinian).

As any fair-minded and rational person knows, there is a difference between a fraudulent claim (i.e. the claimant knows it is a false claim) and a claim that is based on a mistake. Any fair-minded and rational knows, a claim that is denied is not necessarily fraudulent. I will give you credit - you never let rationality get in the way of persisting in your ignorance-driven ugly bigotry.

Bringing up Trump when we are talking about terrorism in Germany is a complete non-sequitur.
If you want to mention politicians, why not Angela "we can do this" Merkel or Martin "migrants are more valuable than gold" Schulz.

As I said, any fair-minded and rational person can understand the sentence, even if they disagree with it - which explains your dumbass response.

 

[fromderinside]

Definitely a racist tinged intro Derec.

An Islamist ideology is not race.

.... discriminating against ones because of a social attribute is racism.

 

[TSwizzle]

An Islamist ideology is not race.

.... discriminating against ones because of a social attribute is racism.

That made me laugh out loud.

 

[thebeave]

.... discriminating against ones because of a social attribute is racism.

That made me laugh out loud.

Sadly, I think he is serious.

 

[LordKiran]

That made me laugh out loud.

Sadly, I think he is serious.

I think this entire branch of the conversation is a joke, it all stems from people failing to realize that Prejudice need not be racially motivated, but is still every bit as ugly and lazy a mindset.