Landscaping and Black Privilege?

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Please refer to previous discussion of this idea of "black privilege" some are saying in the forum. My problem with the examples has been that if you slap someone in the face and then give them a dollar, that's not a privilege, it's an undefined net thing. As slapping someone in the face is intertwined with the action of giving them the dollar, they have to be taken together, and there is no correct monetary value assigned to slapping them in the face. We cannot tell whether it is a net benefit or net cost. Moreover, that is not really what a privilege is, since it is more compensatory.

In any case, here's the latest example. A young black landscaper and his young friends, just all children--the main character in the story, he's 12--are going around to yards and cutting lawns. Very productive and great for them. Now they work for one lady and accidentally cut the lawn ever so slightly of the neighbor white lady. So, rather than go out there to talk to them personally either before or after it happens, she calls the police on them. Likely, if the kids had been white, this wouldn't happen 9 times out of 10 (or whatever). Some kind of video of the police coming or something afterward goes a little viral and these kids get a GoFundMe page making a little money for more jobs or something like that.

Now based on previous "black privilege" claims, some posters would be quick to separate out the gofundme page from the like racist incident and trauma having to deal with police and a grouchy racist lady when you're 12. That's cherry-picking what you want for ideological reasons in my opinion.

A lot more info here, including videos:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...g-grass/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e5751ab9df48

 

[ruby sparks]

We don't know the white neighbour was being racist. She could just be an asshole. Or she could be racist.

Either way, it's good to see this sort of thing (racist or not) called out and good to see a positive outcome for those entreprenurial and hardworking young people.

Ditto for the other examples mentioned in the link. I'm not sure they were all black people who were reported, but all the 'reporters' seem like assholes.

I'm not seeing any 'black privilege'.

 

[Trausti]

How 'bout the racist asshole who called the cops on these kids?

Person calls police on Denver boys' Memorial Day lemonade stand

“My 6-year-old he saw the police officers coming over and he ran and he hid,” she said. “My 4-year-old came over and was looking at the police officer and heard what he was saying. He started to frown and then he started to cry. And it made me want to cry because they were so upset.”

Knowles says someone a racist from the nearby art show called police on her sons and complained.

 

[Underseer]

This just floors me.

No matter how much racism, systemic injustice, etc. that a minority group gets subjected to, there's always a white supremacist conservolibertarian alt-right free speech warrior somewhere claiming that the privileged group are somehow the "real victims."

Innocent African-Americans are routinely killed for being born African-American, when African-Americans beg for the killings to stop they get called terrorists and sometimes lose their jobs, but hey, I found this one hypothetical situation in which a white guy got the raw end of the deal, so therefore we should ignore the much larger amount of injustice going the other way and conclude that it is African-Americans who have the unfair advantage in our society. Sweet fucking fuckcakes.

You guys complain about my "parody" posts, but the reality is always far more ludicrous than any of my satire posts.

Just for a challenge, would any conservolibertarians here care to explain to me how the Nazis were the "real victims" of the Jews during the Holocaust from WW2? I mean, that's the logical next step after crying about "black privilege," isn't it?

 

[thebeave]

We don't know the white neighbour was being racist. She could just be an asshole. Or she could be racist.

Either way, it's good to see this sort of thing (racist or not) called out and good to see a positive outcome for those entreprenurial and hardworking young people.

Ditto for the other examples mentioned in the link. I'm not sure they were all black people who were reported, but all the 'reporters' seem like assholes.

I'm not seeing any 'black privilege'.

Exactly. These days, how can you distinguish between a "racist white person" and an "asshole white person"? They seem to be one-in-the-same. This neighbor could just be your classic "Get off my lawn " angry old codger. Anyone who has had a house/condo that is subject to the rules of an HOA knows that there are people out there with too much time on their hands and/or are on some kind of power trip. Or they're a busy-body a la Alice Kravitz.

And in situations like this when there is significant doubt about the motivations of the person calling the police, why resort to making it a racist thing? It's needlessly whipping up racial animus at a time when the country needs to come together. And honestly, it does come across like liberals want to create a "race war". I used to laugh about that and think it was bullshit, but now I'm not so sure.

Its also funny that the black woman who hired the boys, says this (which seems to have racist and harmful stereotype overtones to it (see bolded part)):

That’s what they told Lucille Holt-Colden, 51, who encountered them at a Dollar Tree where they were purchasing a gas canister and some lawn bags on June 23. Holt-Colden thought it was a good investment. Her grass was growing taller, and her $20 would be used to keep this particular group of black youths off the street and out of trouble.

 

[Trausti]

This just floors me.

No matter how much racism, systemic injustice, etc. that a minority group gets subjected to, there's always a white supremacist conservolibertarian alt-right free speech warrior somewhere claiming that the privileged group are somehow the "real victims."

Innocent African-Americans are routinely killed for being born African-American,

By predominately other black people. See Chicago / Baltimore / Ferguson Effect

when African-Americans beg for the killings to stop they get called terrorists and sometimes lose their jobs,

Because when young black men kill other black men at Iraq war levels, the liberals don't take to the streets. Doesn't fit the narrative.

but hey, I found this one hypothetical situation in which a white guy got the raw end of the deal, so therefore we should ignore the much larger amount of injustice going the other way and conclude that it is African-Americans who have the unfair advantage in our society. Sweet fucking fuckcakes.

Or maybe there are just assholes in the world. Imputing racism to everything is silly. It's like when religious nuts say the occurrence of bad things is evidence that Satan is active in the world. Satan!

You guys complain about my "parody" posts, but the reality is always far more ludicrous than any of my satire posts.

Just for a challenge, would any conservolibertarians here care to explain to me how the Nazis were the "real victims" of the Jews during the Holocaust from WW2? I mean, that's the logical next step after crying about "black privilege," isn't it?

Who here has made that argument? Who?

 

[ZiprHead]

You guys complain about my "parody" posts, but the reality is always far more ludicrous than any of my satire posts.

Just for a challenge, would any conservolibertarians here care to explain to me how the Nazis were the "real victims" of the Jews during the Holocaust from WW2? I mean, that's the logical next step after crying about "black privilege," isn't it?

Who here has made that argument? Who?

Isn't the reason the Jews were persecuted was because they were persecuting real Germans?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Just for a challenge, would any conservolibertarians here care to explain to me how the Nazis were the "real victims" of the Jews during the Holocaust from WW2? I mean, that's the logical next step after crying about "black privilege," isn't it?

I'm not going to explain your positions to you.

 

[thebeave]

This just floors me.

No matter how much racism, systemic injustice, etc. that a minority group gets subjected to, there's always a white supremacist conservolibertarian alt-right free speech warrior somewhere claiming that the privileged group are somehow the "real victims."

Innocent African-Americans are routinely killed for being born African-American, when African-Americans beg for the killings to stop they get called terrorists and sometimes lose their jobs, but hey, I found this one hypothetical situation in which a white guy got the raw end of the deal, so therefore we should ignore the much larger amount of injustice going the other way and conclude that it is African-Americans who have the unfair advantage in our society. Sweet fucking fuckcakes.

You guys complain about my "parody" posts, but the reality is always far more ludicrous than any of my satire posts.

Just for a challenge, would any conservolibertarians here care to explain to me how the Nazis were the "real victims" of the Jews during the Holocaust from WW2? I mean, that's the logical next step after crying about "black privilege," isn't it?

I think we're going to have to steepen the curve on Godwin's Law as long as Underseer is part of this forum:

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Please refer to previous discussion of this idea of "black privilege" some are saying in the forum. My problem with the examples has been that if you slap someone in the face and then give them a dollar, that's not a privilege, it's an undefined net thing.

1. No, it need not be looked at only in sum. We all have both privileges and disprivileges. You can look at each benefit or detriment in isolation. You can then blend them all together and speak of overall privilege, but doing so doesn't erase the individual privileges.

2. Privilege is comparative. It means you benefit in a way somebody else does not. It is unjust when granted for something you didn't earn or suffer (both racism and inheritance are fundamentally unjust). Often it is granted by racial or other proxy (identity politics in action).

A person who is slapped in the face and offered a dollar for it is not privileged by that over somebody who was not slapped in the face. But they most definitely are privileged over somebody who was slapped in the face and not offered a dollar for it.

If the reason they are offered the dollar is because they are black and the other person who was slapped in the face is not, so they get no dollar, then yes, that can properly be called a "black privilege". If other black people who were not slapped in the face then also get dollars by proxy, then that is an even more blatant form of it.

That dollar is both a privilege in isolation and a privilege maker in sum as compared to those who are otherwise the same but not granted it.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

You guys complain about my "parody" posts, but the reality is always far more ludicrous than any of my satire posts.

Just for a challenge, would any conservolibertarians here care to explain to me how the Nazis were the "real victims" of the Jews during the Holocaust from WW2? I mean, that's the logical next step after crying about "black privilege," isn't it?

Who here has made that argument? Who?

Isn't the reason the Jews were persecuted was because they were persecuting real Germans?

I thought it was because they "killed Jesus"? Also, let's not forget that the Holocaust was not just targeting Jews. Gays and gypsies are so often forgotten in this. Why didn't they get states in the middle East? Can you imagine Gayland next to Saudi Arabia?

 

[laughing dog]

The woman who called the police is an ass. I hope the police thanked her for wasting their time.

In the OP article, the same neighbor called the police when the black children of the household were the grass was being cut were having a snowball fight. Whether she is a racist or not, there is insufficient information in my view to make that determination, but it is a possibility she is a bigot.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Please refer to previous discussion of this idea of "black privilege" some are saying in the forum. My problem with the examples has been that if you slap someone in the face and then give them a dollar, that's not a privilege, it's an undefined net thing.

1. No, it need not be looked at only in sum. We all have both privileges and disprivileges. You can look at each benefit or detriment in isolation. You can then blend them all together and speak of overall privilege, but doing so doesn't erase the individual privileges.

2. Privilege is comparative. It means you benefit in a way somebody else does not. It is unjust when granted for something you didn't earn or suffer (both racism and inheritance are fundamentally unjust). Often it is granted by racial or other proxy (identity politics in action).

A person who is slapped in the face and offered a dollar for it is not privileged by that over somebody who was not slapped in the face. But they most definitely are privileged over somebody who was slapped in the face and not offered a dollar for it.

If the reason they are offered the dollar is because they are black and the other person who was slapped in the face is not, so they get no dollar, then yes, that can properly be called a "black privilege". If other black people who were not slapped in the face then also get dollars by proxy, then that is an even more blatant form of it.

That dollar is both a privilege in isolation and a privilege maker in sum as compared to those who are otherwise the same but not granted it.

Yours is a very, very confused argument. If you are to discuss _BLACK_ privilege, then you have to take the whole thing into account not focus on cherry-picking which cherries you want to pick to support your confirmation bias. Being black is being black, it isn't being black when the gofundme page works and not black all other times. So to classify something as black privilege like an ideologue would do requires an analysis of black, not merely some small justice that came about at some point in a small window of time.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

How 'bout the racist asshole who called the cops on these kids?

Person calls police on Denver boys' Memorial Day lemonade stand

“My 6-year-old he saw the police officers coming over and he ran and he hid,” she said. “My 4-year-old came over and was looking at the police officer and heard what he was saying. He started to frown and then he started to cry. And it made me want to cry because they were so upset.”

Knowles says someone a racist from the nearby art show called police on her sons and complained.

The white people aren't working as hard and then set up a gofundme page so they don't have to work? How is that black privilege?

 

[Mumbles]

By predominately other black people. See Chicago / Baltimore / Ferguson Effect

Nope. Putting aside the outright falsehood of any "Ferguson Effect", the great majority of thee murders are based on the usual - domestic abuse, rivalries between criminals, and the like.

Because when young black men kill other black men at Iraq war levels, the liberals don't take to the streets. Doesn't fit the narrative.

gun control laws, while white conservatives, in particular, show no concern at all.

(and really, it's black people who by far show the most concern for this topic)

Also false. Inasmuch as anyone does, it's "liberals" that favor

Or maybe there are just assholes in the world. Imputing racism to everything is silly. It's like when religious nuts say the occurrence of bad things is evidence that Satan is active in the world. Satan!

A common response from people who ignore the wide variety of studies showing systemic racism in finance, law, schools, and business. I won't bother posting any of them yet again, since that's been done more than enough already. Biut there's a difference between some black dude yelling about "white devils", and a white president ignoring Puerto Rico, splitting up families, and pushing for a nationwide campaign of police harassment against black people, as the current idiot in chief has done.

 

[Trausti]

Nope. Putting aside the outright falsehood of any "Ferguson Effect", the great majority of thee murders are based on the usual - domestic abuse, rivalries between criminals, and the like.

More people were killed last year than in 2014, and no one’s sure why

Why would that be? Big fucking mystery.

gun control laws, while white conservatives, in particular, show no concern at all.

Because they abide by these laws? The huge disparity in gun homicide between predominately White and Black neighborhoods is due to what? Barry Manilow?

(and really, it's black people who by far show the most concern for this topic)

But only if they can blame whitey. If not, don't care.

A common response from people who ignore the wide variety of studies showing systemic racism in finance, law, schools, and business. I won't bother posting any of them yet again, since that's been done more than enough already. Biut there's a difference between some black dude yelling about "white devils", and a white president ignoring Puerto Rico, splitting up families, and pushing for a nationwide campaign of police harassment against black people, as the current idiot in chief has done.

The studies find no such thing. Disparity between groups, by itself, is not evidence of anything but disparity. And did you give a shit when Obama was "splitting up families"? Or do you only care when you can blame a White president?

 

[laughing dog]

More people were killed last year than in 2014, and no one’s sure why

Why would that be? Big fucking mystery.



Because they abide by these laws? The huge disparity in gun homicide between predominately White and Black neighborhoods is due to what? Barry Manilow?

(and really, it's black people who by far show the most concern for this topic)

But only if they can blame whitey. If not, don't care.

A common response from people who ignore the wide variety of studies showing systemic racism in finance, law, schools, and business. I won't bother posting any of them yet again, since that's been done more than enough already. Biut there's a difference between some black dude yelling about "white devils", and a white president ignoring Puerto Rico, splitting up families, and pushing for a nationwide campaign of police harassment against black people, as the current idiot in chief has done.

The studies find no such thing. Disparity between groups, by itself, is not evidence of anything but disparity. And did you give a shit when Obama was "splitting up families"? Or do you only care when you can blame a White president?

Poor Trausti. Summer is a tough time for snowflakes.

 

[Mumbles]

More people were killed last year than in 2014, and no one’s sure why

Why would that be? Big fucking mystery.



Because they abide by these laws? The huge disparity in gun homicide between predominately White and Black neighborhoods is due to what? Barry Manilow?

(and really, it's black people who by far show the most concern for this topic)

But only if they can blame whitey. If not, don't care.

A common response from people who ignore the wide variety of studies showing systemic racism in finance, law, schools, and business. I won't bother posting any of them yet again, since that's been done more than enough already. Biut there's a difference between some black dude yelling about "white devils", and a white president ignoring Puerto Rico, splitting up families, and pushing for a nationwide campaign of police harassment against black people, as the current idiot in chief has done.

The studies find no such thing. Disparity between groups, by itself, is not evidence of anything but disparity. And did you give a shit when Obama was "splitting up families"? Or do you only care when you can blame a White president?

I particularly like how you take "and no one's sure why" as a reason to pay attention to already-disproven hokum.

As for the rest - this is all 101 level knowledge available to anyone who knows how to google terms like "stop the violence rally" or "hiring racism" on the computing machines, and they've all been discussed throughout society - if you simply don't want to believe, then don't, but don't expect that to get any real respect.

 

[ZiprHead]

Isn't the reason the Jews were persecuted was because they were persecuting real Germans?

I thought it was because they "killed Jesus"? Also, let's not forget that the Holocaust was not just targeting Jews. Gays and gypsies are so often forgotten in this. Why didn't they get states in the middle East? Can you imagine Gayland next to Saudi Arabia?

Well, it's a little more than that.

http://www.annefrank.org/en/Anne-Frank/Life-in-Germany/Hitlers-antisemitism/

 

[laughing dog]

Isn't the reason the Jews were persecuted was because they were persecuting real Germans?

I thought it was because they "killed Jesus"? Also, let's not forget that the Holocaust was not just targeting Jews. Gays and gypsies are so often forgotten in this. Why didn't they get states in the middle East?

Not only gays, but the mentally retarded and other people deemed "unfit". But since no one of those groups had historical ties to the Middle East and none of them asked/lobbied for their own state, the answer to your question is pretty obvious.