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Police Officer Ken Johnson shot two youths.. age 16, without warning. The police officer was arrested for murder.
Story here: http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dall...cer-said-nothing-before-opening-fire/87610711

The poor kids didn't do anything wrong. the cop should get the death sentence. This is just more proof of racism in the police force, this time against Latinos instead of African Americans. One child was killed, the other maimed.

WHEN WILL THE MADDNESS STOP!!!!!one!11!1

Here is a picture of one of the victims (that survived the attempted murder).. poor boy got fingers shot off!:

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The poor kids didn't do anything wrong. the cop should get the death sentence. This is just more proof of racism in the police force, this time against Latinos instead of African Americans. One child was killed, the other maimed.

WHEN WILL THE MADDNESS STOP!!!!!one!11!1

Here is a picture of one of the victims (that survived the attempted murder).. poor boy got fingers shot off!:

First fucking sentence from your article.
article said:
Edgar Rodriguez admits he and Jose Cruz were stealing third-row seats out of the back of an SUV on Sunday,
Dindu nuffin my ass!
The shooting may or may not be justified, but I don't see how it shows the cop is racist either. He did not shoot them for being Latino, he shot them because they were stealing from him. By the way, what time of day did this happen? If at night, isn't there a law in Texas that allows you to shoot thieves at night?
 
Who seriously claimed this officer was racist?

Kudos to the Dallas police for quickly arresting this killer.
 
Who seriously claimed this officer was racist?
The OP did.
Kudos to the Dallas police for quickly arresting this killer.
Let's see how things develop. The two twerps are no innocent victims though so I hope they do not get huge settlement from the city. Criminals/their families should not be able to profit from their crimes in a court of law.
 
The OP did.
You need to get your irony meter recalibrated.
Let's see how things develop. The two twerps are no innocent victims though so I hope they do not get huge settlement from the city. Criminals/their families should not be able to profit from their crimes in a court of law.
These young men are victims of murder and assault. If they sue and if they win, they would be compensated for their injuries not their crimes. Their injuries are not the result of their crimes but the alleged misconduct of the off-duty police officer.
 
They could have thrown the seats at the cop and killed him. Clear case of self defence.
 
The shooting may or may not be justified,

It wasn't.

This is Texas we are talking about. The state where a man was acquitted of murder when he shot a hooker because she would not hook nor give him the $150 back. He was trying to retrieve stolen property, just like the shooter in this case.
Thes questions are:
- was this at night? Given they were breaking in and stealing car seats it almost certainly was.
- does the law somehow give off-duty cops fewer rights in this regard than civilians? After all, he was acting to retrieve his own stolen property, being a victim of the crime.
- does him shooting 17 times constitute violence in excess of that provided for in that law?

article said:
Burglary of a vehicle is a Class A misdemeanor in Texas, punishable by a minimum six months in jail.
Doesn't that seem like a quite a low maximum sentence given the severity of the crime? No wonder car break-ins are so prevalent - the thieves have little to fear, until they come face to face with Dirty Harry there.
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Also, and yes I know it's in poor taste, but I am sure I am not the only one he thought it.
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On the other hand, given that he is a "bad boy" thug he probably has both a main girl and at least one side chick to take care of those blue balls for him. :(
 
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SO...an off-duty cop pursued and attacked two guys for stealing car seats. And then he was arrested by the local police.

Okay...so...what's the analogy?
 
They did do something wrong, and what they did wrong is steal, but what they did wrong was not so wrong that they deserved to be shot to death or seriously maimed for life. The victim of theft (who subsequently killed over it) became so enraged that he unjustifiably took someone's life and maimed another. Are we insenced over this? Yes, but curiously, not everyone seems to display the same magnitude of anger, and it comes out in the language we use.

Consider the protesters at a trump rally. When someone starts something and they subsequently become victims, the far left (for lack of a better term) are hostile not towards the protester but towards the assailant whereas the far right (a term for consistency) are not quite as hostile.

Another example: if a shoplifter knocks over an elderly woman running out of a mass merchandiser, yanks a man out of a car in the parking lot, and almost hits a kid racing away ... and a police chase ensues, guess what the distinction between the reactions of the far left and far right are going to be when it's learned that the shoplifter suddenly stops and gives up but gets clubbed over the head in an unprovoked attack by the police?

The far left will be very terribly angry, and although the far right may come to agree that the actions were unjustifiable, the far right will not exhibit a level of teeth gritting angst as expressed by the far left.

What is going on? I lean right. I'm not far right. I understand the frustrations on both sides. I would have been content if the guy simply popped the two guys upside their heads with his fists. Unjustifiable, yes. Law into own hands, yes. Violent, yes. Shooting graveyard dead? Too far!

Is it because of the fact there is wrong-doing at play? Possibly. If a protester stands calmly displaying a sign and a trump fan shoots him, we're all going to be mightily upset, but if a protester runs through the crowd hitting trump fans and someone pulls out a knife and cuts off a piece of his ear, there are going to be those on the left displaying a much greater anger than those on the right.

It all goes back to if there wasn't the wrong doing in the first place, this wouldn't have happened. This of course in absolutely no way justified wrongful action, but it underscores the level of concern depending on whether you're someone from the left camp or right camp. If you're from the left, you don't give a rats ass about what provoked the unjustifiable behavior of the assailant, but if you're from the right, you do care.

As to the OP, the guy does need to be prosecuted if the available evidence pans out that he should be, and given such evidence, we'll all be in agreement that a punishment is fitting, but my point is that while some of us might be consumed with anger, there will be others with a more tame sentiment (perhaps angry too but less visceral) ... not as emotionally moved.

More to say, but I'm just trying to tap in to what really causes this divide between levels of disgust, as evidenced by the neutrality or lack thereof in the language we use.
 
They did do something wrong, and what they did wrong is steal,
The dead guy's mother now actually insists that he didnu nuffin.
article said:
The mother of slain Dallas teenager Jose Cruz denied his friend’s account that Cruz had stolen seats from an SUV before an off-duty Farmers Branch police officer fatally shot him a week ago.
Edgar Rodriguez, 16, told media outlets that he and Cruz were stealing seats from an SUV at a Farmers Branch apartment complex and drove away in Cruz’s red Dodge Challenger. Officer Ken Johnson followed them into Addison, where he killed Cruz and wounded Rodriguez in the head.
“I know my son very well,” Cruz’s mother, Ana Henriquez, told KUVN-TV (Univision 23) in Spanish. “Maybe he accompanied [Rodriguez]. Because my son never brought me something stolen.”
Henriquez said her son had no need to steal because he worked and was supported by his family.

but what they did wrong was not so wrong that they deserved to be shot to death or seriously maimed for life. The victim of theft (who subsequently killed over it) became so enraged that he unjustifiably took someone's life and maimed another. Are we insenced over this? Yes, but curiously, not everyone seems to display the same magnitude of anger, and it comes out in the language we use.
While the cop should be prosecuted and convicted if he indeed broke the law and if the prosecution can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, I can't bring myself to feel too much sympathy for the little twerps. I do not know if you have, but I have been a victim of car burglary before. It's not fun! They broke a window to get in and everything. Quite a hassle! In addition to replacing the items they stole I had to replace the damn car window as well. Luckily I was able to find one in a junkyard for cheap.
 
He was trying to retrieve stolen property, just like the shooter in this case.
Thes questions are:
- was this at night?
No, that's not a question.
The question is whether or not the conditions of deadly force were met.
Nothing in even Texas conditions of deadly force include whether it was at night.

They also don't mention 'retrieve stolen property.' They mention some specific crimes like sexual assault and kidnapping, none of which apply.

As to 'fewer rights,' that's effectively what a cop faces. The law in Texas specifies that it's what the shooter fears. Fears for his life or fears that he's going to be raped... As a cop he should have a better understanding of what's going on and cannot depend as heavily on 'I was afraid for my asshole' as a random citizen might try to insist.

And one shot or 17 isn't any different. If he didn't have justification for the first shot, then the other 16 aren't any more justified, either.
 
First fucking sentence from your article.
article said:
Edgar Rodriguez admits he and Jose Cruz were stealing third-row seats out of the back of an SUV on Sunday,
Dindu nuffin my ass!
The shooting may or may not be justified, but I don't see how it shows the cop is racist either. He did not shoot them for being Latino, he shot them because they were stealing from him. By the way, what time of day did this happen? If at night, isn't there a law in Texas that allows you to shoot thieves at night?

Your just racist. they dindu nuffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I have more exclamation points than you, so I win!!!)

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SO...an off-duty cop pursued and attacked two guys for stealing car seats. And then he was arrested by the local police.

Okay...so...what's the analogy?

it was racist. the cop and the kids were two totally different colors!

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Wait, since the cop was Black isn't his life the one the matters?

... starting to catch on ;)
 
No, that's not a question.
But it is.
The question is whether or not the conditions of deadly force were met.
And nighttime is one of the criteria under Texas law.
Nothing in even Texas conditions of deadly force include whether it was at night.
You are absolutely wrong.
Texas law said:
Texas Statutes - Section 9.42: DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY
A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

They also don't mention 'retrieve stolen property.'
Now you are just splitting hairs as the law explicitly talks about protecting and recovering property. The crime of burglary is also explicitly mentioned.
They mention some specific crimes like sexual assault and kidnapping, none of which apply.
But burglary does.

As to 'fewer rights,' that's effectively what a cop faces. The law in Texas specifies that it's what the shooter fears. Fears for his life or fears that he's going to be raped... As a cop he should have a better understanding of what's going on and cannot depend as heavily on 'I was afraid for my asshole' as a random citizen might try to insist.
The question is, does a cop have fewer rights than a civilian vis-a-vis "protecting and recovering property" when he is acting to recover his own property? I do not see a reason why he should.

And one shot or 17 isn't any different. If he didn't have justification for the first shot, then the other 16 aren't any more justified, either.
It does matter. A jury might find that he had the right to use deadly force initially but that he overstepped that right when he emptied the clip. Note where in the law it says "when and to the degree". Deadly force is not a binary - there are degrees.
 
Now you are just splitting hairs as the law explicitly talks about protecting and recovering property. The crime of burglary is also explicitly mentioned.
They were blocked in a crashed car. The burglary was over. So was the escape. They were unarmed. The stolen property was not going anyway (i.e. it was recovered). If he is charged, I hope his lawyer has a better defense argument for his sake that what you have proffered.
 
The dead guy's mother now actually insists that he didnu nuffin.
article said:
The mother of slain Dallas teenager Jose Cruz denied his friend’s account that Cruz had stolen seats from an SUV before an off-duty Farmers Branch police officer fatally shot him a week ago.
Edgar Rodriguez, 16, told media outlets that he and Cruz were stealing seats from an SUV at a Farmers Branch apartment complex and drove away in Cruz’s red Dodge Challenger. Officer Ken Johnson followed them into Addison, where he killed Cruz and wounded Rodriguez in the head.
“I know my son very well,” Cruz’s mother, Ana Henriquez, told KUVN-TV (Univision 23) in Spanish. “Maybe he accompanied [Rodriguez]. Because my son never brought me something stolen.”
Henriquez said her son had no need to steal because he worked and was supported by his family.

but what they did wrong was not so wrong that they deserved to be shot to death or seriously maimed for life. The victim of theft (who subsequently killed over it) became so enraged that he unjustifiably took someone's life and maimed another. Are we insenced over this? Yes, but curiously, not everyone seems to display the same magnitude of anger, and it comes out in the language we use.
While the cop should be prosecuted and convicted if he indeed broke the law and if the prosecution can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, I can't bring myself to feel too much sympathy for the little twerps. I do not know if you have, but I have been a victim of car burglary before. It's not fun! They broke a window to get in and everything. Quite a hassle! In addition to replacing the items they stole I had to replace the damn car window as well. Luckily I was able to find one in a junkyard for cheap.
The one still alive still hasn't learned his lesson, as evidenced by his purported and continued lack of understanding--which although highly unlikely to be wording of his own creation, he no doubt is buying into the crap ... being a victim and all. No anger towards the killer seems to dissipate the disgust (I would have) towards the thief. Oh, and if he's not a thief, then the non-white person clearly chose to hang around a thief--I think that makes him (oh, what do they say?) complicit.
 
Now you are just splitting hairs as the law explicitly talks about protecting and recovering property. The crime of burglary is also explicitly mentioned.
They were blocked in a crashed car. The burglary was over. So was the escape. They were unarmed. The stolen property was not going anyway (i.e. it was recovered). If he is charged, I hope his lawyer has a better defense argument for his sake that what you have proffered.

Keith&Co claimed that there was no such law. I soundly refuted that. Of course it is clear from the law that conditions must be met, which is why I am not claiming the shooting was justified.
 
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