LGBTQ Derail Discussion From "Do Democrats Realize..."

[ZiprHead]

Discussion moved here per OP request.

 

[Half-Life]

Thirded. It is the only response that makes actual sense.

"Gay pride" makes sense only insofar as it is actually a statement of gay not-shame, rather than actually of being proud.

I have been reading comments on LGBTQ videos and most people say stuff like, "Why does it have to be shoved down our throats on TV, in commercials, etc.?

Must...resist...urge...oh fuck...it's soo hard....

EDIT: Nope, can't do it. Tell me, what would you prefer to be shoved down your throat? What would you like? I think you are protesting a bit too much.

When they say stuff, "I swear we're not sexually depraved!" and then they have a parade and they are wearing thongs in the street and dancing with dildos and leather outfits fake whipping their partner like a dog, that does not do a good job of showing that you are not sexually depraved.

Then they say "We're not trying to corrupt the kids!" and the kids are encouraged to wear ridiculous outfits and march with them alongside drag queens. This is child abuse and indoctrination.

 

[Half-Life]

Who is shoving it down your throats any more than straightness is?

Or cars?
That's probably a better comparison. When i am shopping for a car, car ads are EVERYWHERE! Every commercial break, every other page of a magazine, half the daily paper, and at the doctor's office, a consumer's report, auto issue, is on top of the stack.
Cars, cars, cars, cars, cars...
When i buy a car, say a Honda CRV, half the car ads for the next month are for CRVs. Everywhere i look. That tapers off a bit after 4-5 weeks.
The industry stops flagging ads for my attention and return to the background. Until 8 years later, when i start thinking about a new car....then they flip the switch on the ad attack..

Or, maybe I'm just sensitive, and zeroing in on ads that never really change in frequency.

So i suspect that it is HalfLife who is shoving gay characters down his own throat, seeing them in film, television, adverts, under his bed, creeping thru the back yard....
We could probably watch the same movie, and at the end he will have seen five gay characters, i'll have seen inly one.... The guy driving the CRV to the Pride event.

Yes, they show you car advertisements so you can buy a car. They show gay people because...they want to make you buy a gay person?

It's not the same comparison.

 

[southernhybrid]

Must...resist...urge...oh fuck...it's soo hard....

EDIT: Nope, can't do it. Tell me, what would you prefer to be shoved down your throat? What would you like? I think you are protesting a bit too much.

When they say stuff, "I swear we're not sexually depraved!" and then they have a parade and they are wearing thongs in the street and dancing with dildos and leather outfits fake whipping their partner like a dog, that does not do a good job of showing that you are not sexually depraved.

Then they say "We're not trying to corrupt the kids!" and the kids are encouraged to wear ridiculous outfits and march with them alongside drag queens. This is child abuse and indoctrination.

First of all, why are you watching these parades if you find them so offensive. Secondly, what business is it of yours what other people do sexually? As long as its consensual, that's all that should matter to any of us, assuming we're talking about competent adults. You must realize that plenty of straight people enjoy what might be referred to as "kinky" sex? Does that bother you too? What about polyamorous adults? Is that any of your business? I'm straight, monogamous, and some people might think my sex life is boring, although I can assure you it's not to me. At age 69, I continue to enjoy sex immensely and I consider it an important, healthy part of life. But, I couldn't care less what other people find sexually satisfying, as long as it's consensual. Non consensual sex the only type of "sexual depravity" as far as I'm concerned. And, I think you must be a voyeur since you seem so obsessed with looking at gay people and thinking about their sex lives. You sure sound judgmental.

I doubt any children are being dragged to these parades. Kids usually love dressing up in costumes and attending parades. I really don't think that will damage them. It will probably help them be more tolerant, open minded and less judgmental than someone who keeps attacking people who are different from himself.

And stop staring at those men in thongs, if you can help yourself.

 

[Half-Life]

Must...resist...urge...oh fuck...it's soo hard....

EDIT: Nope, can't do it. Tell me, what would you prefer to be shoved down your throat? What would you like? I think you are protesting a bit too much.

When they say stuff, "I swear we're not sexually depraved!" and then they have a parade and they are wearing thongs in the street and dancing with dildos and leather outfits fake whipping their partner like a dog, that does not do a good job of showing that you are not sexually depraved.

Then they say "We're not trying to corrupt the kids!" and the kids are encouraged to wear ridiculous outfits and march with them alongside drag queens. This is child abuse and indoctrination.

First of all, why are you watching these parades if you find them so offensive. Secondly, what business is it of yours what other people do sexually? As long as its consensual, that's all that should matter to any of us, assuming we're talking about competent adults. You must realize that plenty of straight people enjoy what might be referred to as "kinky" sex? Does that bother you too? What about polyamorous adults? Is that any of your business? I'm straight, monogamous, and some people might think my sex life is boring, although I can assure you it's not to me. At age 69, I continue to enjoy sex immensely and I consider it an important, healthy part of life. But, I couldn't care less what other people find sexually satisfying, as long as it's consensual. Non consensual sex the only type of "sexual depravity" as far as I'm concerned. And, I think you must be a voyeur since you seem so obsessed with looking at gay people and thinking about their sex lives. You sure sound judgmental.

I doubt any children are being dragged to these parades. Kids usually love dressing up in costumes and attending parades. I really don't think that will damage them. It will probably help them be more tolerant, open minded and less judgmental than someone who keeps attacking people who are different from himself.

And stop staring at those men in thongs, if you can help yourself.

Gay men are more likely to have HIV and STD's and have had an average of 500 sexual partners in their lifetime. But, let's keep promoting this safe and fun lifestyle. Woah, boy!

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Just do the world a favor and suck some guy's cock already. You know you want to. We ALL know you want to.

 

[Half-Life]

Just do the world a favor and suck some guy's cock already. You know you want to. We ALL know you want to.

That makes no sense. If I complain about robbers and murderers, no one is gonna say, "Oh just go rob a bank and kill someone already! You know you want to!"

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Just do the world a favor and suck some guy's cock already. You know you want to. We ALL know you want to.

That makes no sense. If I complain about robbers and murderers, no one is gonna say, "Oh just go rob a bank and kill someone already! You know you want to!"

If you maybe "complained" once or twice, sure, but multiple times, over and over and then getting into details and specifics and fetishizing their actions and getting yourself all hot and bothered talking about their dildoes and how they manhandle each other how you know they have hundreds of lovers etc.

Textbook.

 

[Half-Life]

Just do the world a favor and suck some guy's cock already. You know you want to. We ALL know you want to.

That makes no sense. If I complain about robbers and murderers, no one is gonna say, "Oh just go rob a bank and kill someone already! You know you want to!"

If you maybe "complained" once or twice, sure, but multiple times, over and over and then getting into details and specifics and fetishizing their actions and getting yourself all hot and bothered talking about their dildoes and how they manhandle each other how you know they have hundreds of lovers etc.

Textbook.

I am merely stating the facts.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Hahahaha!
Thongs! In the STREET! This is the first thing that comes to Half's mind when he thinks of 'depraved.'
What a litmus test.

And 'fake' whipping? That's an issue? There are church-goers who really do whip each other, you fastidious coward.

Good gods above and below, how incredibly frightening it must be, knowing that so many, many peopke are having FUN in ways you cannot allow yourself to enjoy.

But this, this reaction of yours, is exactly why they have Pride events. The people who had decided what they like and enjoy are not going to let you shame them because of your knee-jerk response to their fun.

You want to claim that you want equal time, but do you? Do you really?
Okay. What would a Straight Pride Parade look like? How would YOU demonstrate what turns you on? What sexual mores you find worth celebrating?

Whst would Half Life do in a SPP that he could not do at any LGBTQ parade?

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

If you maybe "complained" once or twice, sure, but multiple times, over and over and then getting into details and specifics and fetishizing their actions and getting yourself all hot and bothered talking about their dildoes and how they manhandle each other how you know they have hundreds of lovers etc.

Textbook.

I am merely stating the facts.

Sure you are. The facts of all the lovers they have and how they swear they're not sexually depraved--oh, but they are--and you watch their parades and look at their thongs as they dance in the streets with dildos and their leather outfits, fake whipping (is it fake?) their partner "like a dog" and the kids are encouraged to wear ridiculous outfits and march with them alongside drag queens like you've always wanted to do.

It's ok. We've seen it thousands of times in your ilk. Always the ones that pay the most attention and can rattle off details like that without thinking and always with a feigned shock of outrage and moral and then a month or a year later, you're arrested in a bathhouse by your own stormtroopers with a big ol' butt plug stuck up your colon and sweat-smeared Tammy Faye Bakker makeup dripping down your face.

 

[Rhea]

This is a good question. Looking forward to Half-Life’s answer.

You want to claim that you want equal time, but do you? Do you really?
Okay. What would a Straight Pride Parade look like? How would YOU demonstrate what turns you on? What sexual mores you find worth celebrating?

What would Half Life do in a SPP that he could not do at any LGBTQ parade?

Also, let the record show that Half-Life could have a FULL LIFE if she admitted her attraction to her same gender.

 

[laughing dog]

Gay men are more likely to have HIV and STD's and have had an average of 500 sexual partners in their lifetime.

What is the source of your statistic that gay men have an average of 500 sexual partners in their lifetime?

If I complain about robbers and murderers, no one is gonna say, "Oh just go rob a bank and kill someone already! You know you want to!"

Robbing a bank is a crime. Killing someone is a crime. Loving someone is not a crime.

 

[Keith&Co.]

This is a good question. Looking forward to Half-Life’s answer

I would guess, tell me if i get it wrong, no visible underwear.
MAYBE the bra straps, on younger women only. And only incidentally visible. Definitely a generation gap, there.
Men mostly clean shaven, a few mustaches, very few beards.
Good grooming for all. Or at least some attempts at basic grooming standards.
The women might put a bit more effort into their looks than the men do. Men gruffly joke, 'you're lucky i have pants on today,' thoughthey would never even get the day's paper without at least a pair of shorts.

Single people, of both genders, tend to a bit more effort in their looks than others. Not quite trawling for partners at the club, but some appreciable effort.

Vocabulary is a proportional to intimacy. There are words, phrases, entire topics that are just not discussed in any unfiltered group. This relaxes a bit with people of your own gender, if you have known them for a while. Strangers and oppsex friends, not worth the risk of offense.
Relaxes a bit more with people you're VERY familiar with, but there is still a point you won't dare go beyond.

Clothes are fairly uniform. Not actual uniforms, but reserved, mature, not given to expressing vulgarities, or even positions. Neutral. No MAGA hats, no hemp sandals. Couldn't guess the way any group voted just from a picture. No signs, as there's really nothing to say. No urge to stuff your sex life 'down anyone's throat.'

A relaxed atmosphere, unburdened by any great need to force change.

 

[Rhea]

This is a good question. Looking forward to Half-Life’s answer

I would guess, tell me if i get it wrong, no visible underwear.
MAYBE the bra straps, on younger women only. And only incidentally visible. Definitely a generation gap, there.
Men mostly clean shaven, a few mustaches, very few beards.
Good grooming for all. Or at least some attempts at basic grooming standards.
The women might put a bit more effort into their looks than the men do. Men gruffly joke, 'you're lucky i have pants on today,' thoughthey would never even get the day's paper without at least a pair of shorts.

Single people, of both genders, tend to a bit more effort in their looks than others. Not quite trawling for partners at the club, but some appreciable effort.

Vocabulary is a proportional to intimacy. There are words, phrases, entire topics that are just not discussed in any unfiltered group. This relaxes a bit with people of your own gender, if you have known them for a while. Strangers and oppsex friends, not worth the risk of offense.
Relaxes a bit more with people you're VERY familiar with, but there is still a point you won't dare go beyond.

Clothes are fairly uniform. Not actual uniforms, but reserved, mature, not given to expressing vulgarities, or even positions. Neutral. No MAGA hats, no hemp sandals. Couldn't guess the way any group voted just from a picture. No signs, as there's really nothing to say. No urge to stuff your sex life 'down anyone's throat.'

A relaxed atmosphere, unburdened by any great need to force change.

So there’s a straight pride parade every day at my local grocery store?!

 

[Ford]

Secondly, what business is it of yours what other people do sexually?

This is always the first question. The answer is, it's not.

People like our resident troll insist that what happens in other people's sex lives is absolutely their business, and must be stopped at all costs.

Which is bullshit.

This attitude is so pervasive. Just the other day I asked the question on another forum "what is it about gay people that bothers you so much?" One answer was "they shove it down our throats!"

What...you can't turn off your television when a rerun of Will & Grace comes on? Heaven forbid someone walks down the street simply being gay.

And the thing is (which HL will probably never get) is that the LGBT community is so much more accepting of people. I learned this back in the mid 90s when I was dating this...entertainer. Ah, screw it. She was my Korean stripper girlfriend. Stop-traffic hot. We went to the gay bars because there was less chance of her running into customers there. And the music was better. And the drinks were stronger. I never had to worry about hitting on girls, she never had to worry about guys hitting on her. It was a win, win, win.

It was also eye-opening. I didn't just have fun. I learned a lot. Having a smoking hot girlfriend who introduced me to all her gay friends helped, but I was accepted instantly. They're not "shoving it down your throat." They're opening their arms and welcoming you into their community.

 

[Half-Life]

Secondly, what business is it of yours what other people do sexually?

This is always the first question. The answer is, it's not.

People like our resident troll insist that what happens in other people's sex lives is absolutely their business, and must be stopped at all costs.

Which is bullshit.

This attitude is so pervasive. Just the other day I asked the question on another forum "what is it about gay people that bothers you so much?" One answer was "they shove it down our throats!"

What...you can't turn off your television when a rerun of Will & Grace comes on? Heaven forbid someone walks down the street simply being gay.

And the thing is (which HL will probably never get) is that the LGBT community is so much more accepting of people. I learned this back in the mid 90s when I was dating this...entertainer. Ah, screw it. She was my Korean stripper girlfriend. Stop-traffic hot. We went to the gay bars because there was less chance of her running into customers there. And the music was better. And the drinks were stronger. I never had to worry about hitting on girls, she never had to worry about guys hitting on her. It was a win, win, win.

It was also eye-opening. I didn't just have fun. I learned a lot. Having a smoking hot girlfriend who introduced me to all her gay friends helped, but I was accepted instantly. They're not "shoving it down your throat." They're opening their arms and welcoming you into their community.

Simply not true. When the right said they should put "S" at the end of "LGBTQS" to include straight people so we could all be equal and stand together, the left cried about it. They want to be their OWN community. They don't want to include the straight people.

 

[Half-Life]

If you maybe "complained" once or twice, sure, but multiple times, over and over and then getting into details and specifics and fetishizing their actions and getting yourself all hot and bothered talking about their dildoes and how they manhandle each other how you know they have hundreds of lovers etc.

Textbook.

I am merely stating the facts.

Sure you are. The facts of all the lovers they have and how they swear they're not sexually depraved--oh, but they are--and you watch their parades and look at their thongs as they dance in the streets with dildos and their leather outfits, fake whipping (is it fake?) their partner "like a dog" and the kids are encouraged to wear ridiculous outfits and march with them alongside drag queens like you've always wanted to do.

It's ok. We've seen it thousands of times in your ilk. Always the ones that pay the most attention and can rattle off details like that without thinking and always with a feigned shock of outrage and moral and then a month or a year later, you're arrested in a bathhouse by your own stormtroopers with a big ol' butt plug stuck up your colon and sweat-smeared Tammy Faye Bakker makeup dripping down your face.

That is the problem. They are gay, but why can't they just dress like normal people? They can have the parade without needing giant dildos and the flamboyancy. Just wear jeans and a t shirt. Simple. You really want kids to see men dancing in the streets in thongs and waving dildos around? It's no wonder the youth are growing up more confused than ever.

 

[bilby]

Sure you are. The facts of all the lovers they have and how they swear they're not sexually depraved--oh, but they are--and you watch their parades and look at their thongs as they dance in the streets with dildos and their leather outfits, fake whipping (is it fake?) their partner "like a dog" and the kids are encouraged to wear ridiculous outfits and march with them alongside drag queens like you've always wanted to do.

It's ok. We've seen it thousands of times in your ilk. Always the ones that pay the most attention and can rattle off details like that without thinking and always with a feigned shock of outrage and moral and then a month or a year later, you're arrested in a bathhouse by your own stormtroopers with a big ol' butt plug stuck up your colon and sweat-smeared Tammy Faye Bakker makeup dripping down your face.

That is the problem. They are gay, but why can't they just dress like normal people? They can have the parade without needing giant dildos and the flamboyancy. Just wear jeans and a t shirt. Simple. You really want kids to see men dancing in the streets in thongs and waving dildos around? It's no wonder the youth are growing up more confused than ever.

Oh no! Won't somebody please think of the children!!

Do you know what confuses children? When people that they trust lie to them, or conceal information from them.

Do you know how children respond to homosexuality? The exact same way they respond to heterosexuality - if you tell them about the physical acts of sex, they say 'eeew'. And if you tell them about loving relationships they are completely accepting of them.

Tell them that uncle Frank and uncle Jim live together because they love each other in the same way that Mummy and Daddy do, and they are unconcerned and not in any way confused by it.

So don't wrap your dumb prejudices up and pretend that they are about protecting children from 'confusion'. Children are not being upset or confused - only bigots are.

 

[Half-Life]

What is the source of your statistic that gay men have an average of 500 sexual partners in their lifetime?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...1703/it-s-the-mode-men-have-more-sex-partners

"Homosexuals conform to the pattern: gay men typically have more partners than lesbians, and one study in San Francisco found that nearly 50% of gay men had more than 500 partners. "