Like sons, like mother

[Derec]

This OP is outright bigotry.

Why?

Derec found one "thug family" so now all people who have relatives killed unjustly by police and receive a settlement are thug families.

Isaiah was not killed unjustly, and neither have most of the people whose families receive multimillion dollar settlements or verdicts. Example: Korryn Gaines. She was a sovereign citizen who threatened police with a long gun. Justified shooting. Jury verdict: $38 million. Only in America!

 

[Derec]

You know, I've never noticed Derec's propensity to be obsessed about race until now.

It is your side that decides these things by race. I do not care about her hue or the hue of her gangbanging sons. What I do care about is what they did.

 

[Derec]

It's astonishing how many "crimes" deserve execution in your eyes.

There is a difference between a shooting while trying to apprehend a suspect and an execution, which is about people in custody. Try to learn that difference.

Especially when the person involved is of a certain persuasion.

That "persuasion" being a gangbanging murderer?

It's also astonishing how you have never advocated that there should be a better screening process for police, or that better training methods should be employed or that a more honest system of accountability should be devised. You have never spoken about any of those things.

When appropriate, I have. What does that have to do with this case? Isiaiah was not some innocent kid. He was involved in a gang killing that his brother later was convicted for. Then his other brother and his mom get involved in another gang killing. Nice family!

Oh, right. You have and I am being dishonest. You argued all those things only, and just only, in the instance of Mohammed Noor. Not sure why you picked him out

Because he shot and killed an innocent person. Very different than the thugs that normally get shot by police.
Unfortunately, a corrupt Minesota judge reversed his conviction, so he may walk. Even before that, his sentence was half of Chauvin's. Even though Noor deliberately killed an innocent person and Chauvin accidentally killed a thug.

but I guess that's one of life's little mysteries now isn't it? The only cop who ever did something wrong in your eyes is Mohammed Noor.

No, he is not the only one, but yes, he did murder that woman, contrary to all the black/Somali privilege he has been receiving.

 

[Derec]

Maybe she was angry.

Angry at whom? Javier Fernandez? Because that's the guy who got whacked by her younger son and his gang.

 

[Derec]

Tell that to George Floyd.

George Floyd's death was accidental and to a large extent caused by the large amounts of meth and fentanyl in his system.

That is very different than say, deliberately shooting an innocent woman. And yet Mohammed Noor was sentenced to half the time Chauvin has, and even that has now been overturned by a corrupt judge.
Ex-Minneapolis cop Mohamed Noor's murder conviction reversed in death of Justine Damond

Black privilege, I guess. Or Muslim privilege. Note that the new attorney general of Minnesota is Nation of Islam sympathizer Keith Ellison and he has no interest in retrying his "brother" for murder.

 

[Derec]

Local citizens are often quite vocal over how their tax money is spent. They show up at meetings, write letters and vote and even run for office to oust those they feel are incompetent or irresponsible.

So they should go after Fresno city councilors for giving away taxpayer money over a justified shooting.
And they should go after California legislature for not passing laws holding local jurisdictions not civilly liable in cases of justified police shootings.

 

[Derec]

The award does not directly affect any individual's decision-making.

True. No cop will decide not to shoot a perp they neem a threat just because their city councilors may be too generous with public funds.

But the award means less dollars for the city and/or the department which usually causes changes in policies or procedures.

And a police department putting in wrong policies and procedures can mean more cops shot by thugs because police officers are told not to shoot them even when they pose a threat. Some posters on here for example want police to not be allowed to shoot at perps before the perps already start shooting at police. That is insanity.

 

[Swammerdami]

I haven't scrutinized the thread, but I think it's in the "Somebody did something wrong" genre. Why in heck is it in the Political Discussions forum? (Is Derec angry the woman didn't participate in the J6 insurrection; is that the political connection?)

Have they made it into a movie yet? Should the thread be merged into a "Recommend films and mini-series" thread?

I'm watching "American Crime Story Season 2"; somebody did something wrong but I don't enjoy watching. "Sharp Objects" was much better. Any other recommendations?

I watched "American Crime Story Season 1" and got infuriated! That might please Derec — the murderer was black — but it was the incompetent prosecution and lying defense attorneys that infuriated me! (The most infuriating lawyers included both blacks and whites: am I going to be assailed from "both sides" now?)

 

[Derec]

I haven't scrutinized the thread, but I think it's in the "Somebody did something wrong" genre. Why in heck is it in the Political Discussions forum?

She did something wrong with part of the $5M payout that the politicians in Fresno foolishly gave her. So yes, it's a political issue.

That might please Derec — the murderer was black

Why would that please me?

 

[Swammerdami]

That might please Derec — the murderer was black

Why would that please me?

You're joking, right? Millions of whites commit crimes; how many of them do you discuss? Steve Bannon is committing a crime as we type; what do you think of him?

Your posts in this thread mention at least three other putative criminals. If I were bored enough to Google them, how many of the three would turn out to be Black? Come on, you already know the answer. How many? Hunh?

Trump and one of your fellow-travelers here are turning the white criminal Ashli Babbitt into a martyr; and the hero (black) cop who shot her into a villain. What do you think of that?

 

[lpetrich]

Can't wait for the Babbit memorials.

Well, there already are several George Floyd statues. Even though he was a piece of shit who robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint. This country has gone completely crazy!

He served his time and he committed no other crime since then until he tried to pass some counterfeit money.

Derec, you seem absolutely certain that every target but one of the cops is a horrible monster who deserves to die a horrible death.

 

[lpetrich]

Tell that to George Floyd.

George Floyd's death was accidental and to a large extent caused by the large amounts of meth and fentanyl in his system.

Where did you get that idea?

That is very different than say, deliberately shooting an innocent woman. And yet Mohammed Noor was sentenced to half the time Chauvin has, and even that has now been overturned by a corrupt judge.
Ex-Minneapolis cop Mohamed Noor's murder conviction reversed in death of Justine Damond ...

They are redoing his conviction.

Derec, you seem to think that Mohamed Noor is the only cop who has ever misbehaved. Why might that be?

 

[Gun Nut]

That "little twerp" is innocent until proven guilty. Running from the police does not entail an automatic death sentence. In fact, "running from" the police indicates that the runner is not an active threat to the police.

Yes, that is half of the issue - no longer being a threat to police - IF that was the case (reaching for the waist when known to carry firearms and be in a gang known to shoot people is certainly justification for a degree of force. The other half of the issue (not addressed) is in regard to a reasonable belief by police officers that the "little twerp" poses a deadly threat to others - not just to themselves.

 

[laughing dog]

The award does not directly affect any individual's decision-making.

True. No cop will decide not to shoot a perp they neem a threat just because their city councilors may be too generous with public funds.

But the award means less dollars for the city and/or the department which usually causes changes in policies or procedures.

And a police department putting in wrong policies and procedures can mean more cops shot by thugs because police officers are told not to shoot them even when they pose a threat. Some posters on here for example want police to not be allowed to shoot at perps before the perps already start shooting at police. That is insanity.

No, it is not insanity. As I have said, the my son's unit in Afghanistan during the war was under such a policy in a war zone./I]

You are right, policies can do more harm than good. Clearly allowing police to shoot unarmed civilians who are no threat at the time is not good public policy. Money is the typical compensation in civil torts.

 

[laughing dog]

Pulling a gun and turning around takes very little time, comparable to the reaction time of the pursuing officers. If the cop waits until he can positively identify a gun in the perp's hand and a clear turning motion is evident, the perp get likely get a shot off. So he is shot when he moves his hand toward the waistband if the cops suspect the perp is armed.

I understand the simplistic rationale for pre-emptive shooting. Shooting someone because you think they might have a weapon and that they might use it against someone should not be a justification for killing someone. And if it is, and one is wrong, then there should be a clear and immediate penalty for that fuck up. Because it is a fuck up. Cowardice should not be an excuse for murder.

It's not obvious, it's simplistic.

It is obvious and simplistic, and you still are unable to grasp it.

That does not mean they deserve to be millionaires.

If the value of a human life is at least a million dollars, then yes it does.

More disinterested than the families or the city council.

That is handwaved nonsense.

You need to either become a successful consultant to these cities and their insurance companies or change the laws in those jurisdictions to suit your views.

The laws definitely need to change. Hearse chasers like Ben Crump are parasites.

Who said anything about that?

You are indicting her for the crimes of her children.

But if she - as is likely - bought illegal weapons for a gang she should go to prison.
Also, the sins of the children should not lead to profits for the parents - and the lawsuit industrial complex is doing just that.

I am going by what is in the article. They seem to have a strong case. And there are no "bigoted views".

The article presents no evidence of her purchases.

Rather, all you have is kneejerk gainsaying of everything I write plus cheap insults.

As you have consistently claimed, the truth is not an insult. You are entitled to your opinions. Readers are entitled to point out that factual and/or logical holes in your "reasoning" and arguments.

 

[Gun Nut]

That might please Derec — the murderer was black

Why would that please me?

You're joking, right? Millions of whites commit crimes; how many of them do you discuss? Steve Bannon is committing a crime as we type; what do you think of him?

Your posts in this thread mention at least three other putative criminals. If I were bored enough to Google them, how many of the three would turn out to be Black? Come on, you already know the answer. How many? Hunh?

Trump and one of your fellow-travelers here are turning the white criminal Ashli Babbitt into a martyr; and the hero (black) cop who shot her into a villain. What do you think of that?

Why should Derek, or any other poster, be obligated to be "fair and balanced" with their comments? Whatabout Steve Bannon? YOU write about him all you want, no one is obligated to mention him to meet your standards on journalistic equal time for both sides.

I mean.. who here disagrees that it is a thing worthy of discussion and fixing when a family uses funds awarded to them in relation to a gang shooting, to support gang shootings? Speak up. Who thinks this does not matter.. is just fine and dandy, and should be allowed to continue?

The second Derek uses the word Thug, you all freak the fuck out. "Thug" is a word I am perfectly comfortable using to refer to ANY criminal that would engage in physical violence - the image in my head of what a "thug" looks like is a short, stout, Italian guy that is a "strong arm" for an organized crime family/gang - probably from the movies and TV shows I watched throughout my life).

Ya'll act like he was calling them the N word and that N'ers should be treated differently by the law. I see nothing in his postings that say that... just kneejerk reactions to his use of trigger words.

Do better.

 

[JohnG]

You know, I've never noticed Derec's propensity to be obsessed about race until now.

It is your side that decides these things by race. I do not care about her hue or the hue of her gangbanging sons. What I do care about is what they did.

This probably the biggest bad faith argument in these times.

You guys drool at every chance to post any negative story about trans, black, or non-white immigrant. It more than a pattern it's a rule. I've seen the posters on Twiiter like this - this crowd circulates videos on non-white violence, much of it out of context and work themselves into a lather.

You don't really care about what they did. You care that you have a chance to hold it up as an example of why black people are bad, and then you don't have the courage to admit it.

 

[laughing dog]

I mean.. who here disagrees that it is a thing worthy of discussion and fixing when a family uses funds awarded to them in relation to a gang shooting, to support gang shootings? Speak up. Who thinks this does not matter.. is just fine and dandy, and should be allowed to continue? ....

If it was known that the award was going to be used to support gang activity, both you and Derec would have a relevant point. But it wasn't, so neither you nor he have one.

Furthermore, Derec's outrage over awards for the deaths of "thugs" appears only when the thugs are people of color. While thug is a perfectly good descriptor in general, that does not mean anyone's particular use of it is.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You know, I've never noticed Derec's propensity to be obsessed about race until now.

It is your side that decides these things by race. I do not care about her hue or the hue of her gangbanging sons. What I do care about is what they did.

Not really. I've seen plenty of liberals post about all sorts of subjects in PD, M&PC, FT&H, etc... You barn has two ponies in it.

 

[Swammerdami]

The second Derek uses the word Thug, you all freak the fuck out. "Thug" is a word I am perfectly comfortable using to refer to ANY criminal that would engage in physical violence - the image in my head of what a "thug" looks like is a short, stout, Italian guy that is a "strong arm" for an organized crime family/gang - probably from the movies and TV shows I watched throughout my life).

Ya'll act like he was calling them the N word and that N'ers should be treated differently by the law. I see nothing in his postings that say that... just kneejerk reactions to his use of trigger words.

Do better.

You acknowledge that "thug" is a "trigger word." Whatever YOUR image of "thug" is, do you also acknowledge that it is often used deliberately as a racist code? Of course no TFTer would ever sink so low; I'm just curious if YOU are aware that the word is often used as a deliberate racist code-word elsewhere than at this Board?