Making sex more dangerous

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/11/opinion/sex-ed-children-danger.html

The New York Times is saying what I've been saying for ages: The conservatives are trying to make sex more dangerous.

 

[Trausti]

Eh. Isn't much my '90s sex education class taught that we didn't already know.

 

[ideologyhunter]

You're kidding.
The GOP has made sex easier and more understandable. You can raw dog a porn star, just have $130,000 handy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Eh. Isn't much my '90s sex education class taught that we didn't already know.

Because the classes are too watered down.

I took it in college (sociology credit) in the 80s--and the median score on the anatomy test for the other gender was an F. I also took a class "Marriage and Family Living" (a very good class but even high school is likely a bit premature on this one), one class period was devoted to contraception. We usually had about 200 in the class in a hall that could seat IIRC 465. That day it was totally jammed, there were some people there whose job was to keep shooing people out who were trying to stand in the exit paths (why?! If there was an emergency they would be leaving, not blocking the path! Perhaps it wasn't really about where they were standing but an occupancy limit on the room, though) and people were piled around every doorway several layers deep. This was a 200-level course, I thought the teacher was wasting a class period but the numbers say otherwise.

 

[Trausti]

Eh. Isn't much my '90s sex education class taught that we didn't already know.

Because the classes are too watered down.

I took it in college (sociology credit) in the 80s--and the median score on the anatomy test for the other gender was an F. I also took a class "Marriage and Family Living" (a very good class but even high school is likely a bit premature on this one), one class period was devoted to contraception. We usually had about 200 in the class in a hall that could seat IIRC 465. That day it was totally jammed, there were some people there whose job was to keep shooing people out who were trying to stand in the exit paths (why?! If there was an emergency they would be leaving, not blocking the path! Perhaps it wasn't really about where they were standing but an occupancy limit on the room, though) and people were piled around every doorway several layers deep. This was a 200-level course, I thought the teacher was wasting a class period but the numbers say otherwise.

Dude, did you really need a university course to tell you were to stick it?

 

[James Brown]

You'd be surprised how much disinformation there is out there.

For some people, their attitude is, "If we teach teenagers about sexual health, then they'll take it as tacit permission to have large amounts of sex. Since we don't want them to have large amounts of sex, the only way to stop that is to not teach them about sexual health."

Thus, teenagers have sex with no education, no training on birth control, no education about STDs. Which is why teenage pregnancy and STDs is higher in communities that have little to no sex education.

 

[Toni]

You'd be surprised how much disinformation there is out there.

For some people, their attitude is, "If we teach teenagers about sexual health, then they'll take it as tacit permission to have large amounts of sex. Since we don't want them to have large amounts of sex, the only way to stop that is to not teach them about sexual health."

Thus, teenagers have sex with no education, no training on birth control, no education about STDs. Which is why teenage pregnancy and STDs is higher in communities that have little to no sex education.

Also there really is a lack of basic knowledge about how the human body works, not just the sex parts. Even among some very bright, very well educated people. I was sitting around talking one evening at the end of a dinner party and somebody brought up some health concern 9not sex related) of somebody or another and they totally didn't understand what was going on. Since biology/human stuff is my thing, I started offering up some very basic information about the particular organ and how it functioned. I was really, really stunned at how little smart people actually knew about their own bodies.

I actually think everyone should have to take at least a semester long course in human anatomy and physiology in high school and at university. Not just for the sex stuff. AND I think that the course material in high school at least needs to be reviewed and approved by medical providers, including and maybe especially gynecologists. My kid came home with some extremely inaccurate 'information' about human reproduction from the biology teacher at the high school.

If people were better educated about how their bodies work, they'd be healthier and better patients when they needed medical care.

Teen pregnancies tend to be higher in places where there is little opportunity for good jobs after high school. When there are good reasons to delay pregnancy that are easily seen by students, they tend to be more goal oriented and look further down the line than getting through a week or a weekend.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Eh. Isn't much my '90s sex education class taught that we didn't already know.

Because the classes are too watered down.

I took it in college (sociology credit) in the 80s--and the median score on the anatomy test for the other gender was an F. I also took a class "Marriage and Family Living" (a very good class but even high school is likely a bit premature on this one), one class period was devoted to contraception. We usually had about 200 in the class in a hall that could seat IIRC 465. That day it was totally jammed, there were some people there whose job was to keep shooing people out who were trying to stand in the exit paths (why?! If there was an emergency they would be leaving, not blocking the path! Perhaps it wasn't really about where they were standing but an occupancy limit on the room, though) and people were piled around every doorway several layers deep. This was a 200-level course, I thought the teacher was wasting a class period but the numbers say otherwise.

Dude, did you really need a university course to tell you were to stick it?

Did you not read?

1) I took it as a sociology credit to meet requirements.

2) I said the median score, I didn't say I bombed the female anatomy test.

3) It's the marriage and family living class I said I found useful--that was a class about making relationships work for the long term, not a sex ed class.

 

[Toni]

Dude, did you really need a university course to tell you were to stick it?

Did you not read?

1) I took it as a sociology credit to meet requirements.

2) I said the median score, I didn't say I bombed the female anatomy test.

3) It's the marriage and family living class I said I found useful--that was a class about making relationships work for the long term, not a sex ed class.

That's not really an answer to Trausti's question, Loren.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

It has been reported that in North Korea many teenage girls believe that they can get pregnant if they hold hands for too long with a boy.

I haven't been able to confirm that report, but it always made me laugh.

How's that for sex education?

 

[Jarhyn]

Dude, did you really need a university course to tell you were to stick it?

Did you not read?

1) I took it as a sociology credit to meet requirements.

2) I said the median score, I didn't say I bombed the female anatomy test.

3) It's the marriage and family living class I said I found useful--that was a class about making relationships work for the long term, not a sex ed class.

That's not really an answer to Trausti's question, Loren.

Given the apparent and historical gross inability to process most information regarding sex and sexuality by this particular poster, not the least of which borne out in his question equating discussions of contraception and their use and impacts in a relationship with discussions of "where to stick it", I think it answered as appropriately and in at least as good faith as was asked.

 

[Trausti]

That's not really an answer to Trausti's question, Loren.

Given the apparent and historical gross inability to process most information regarding sex and sexuality by this particular poster, not the least of which borne out in his question equating discussions of contraception and their use and impacts in a relationship with discussions of "where to stick it", I think it answered as appropriately and in at least as good faith as was asked.

Touché

 

[bilby]

It has been reported that in North Korea many teenage girls believe that they can get pregnant if they hold hands for too long with a boy.

I haven't been able to confirm that report, but it always made me laugh.

How's that for sex education?

It makes me laugh that you think that you need to go all the way to North Korea to find people who are that ignorant about how human reproduction works.

I bet you could find plenty of similar misconceptions (pun intended) on your own continent - particularly in the US Bible Belt.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Dude, did you really need a university course to tell you were to stick it?

Did you not read?

1) I took it as a sociology credit to meet requirements.

2) I said the median score, I didn't say I bombed the female anatomy test.

3) It's the marriage and family living class I said I found useful--that was a class about making relationships work for the long term, not a sex ed class.

That's not really an answer to Trausti's question, Loren.

Look at my point #1. That directly addresses why I took it, it should be perfectly clear to anyone who has been to college. Admittedly, it would not be understood by most who have not.

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It has been reported that in North Korea many teenage girls believe that they can get pregnant if they hold hands for too long with a boy.

I haven't been able to confirm that report, but it always made me laugh.

How's that for sex education?

Or the ones from the US who were afraid of pregnancy because their boyfriend fell asleep on a date.