Man rapes woman, calls it "50 Shades" reenactment

[RavenSky]

A University of Illinois Chicago student faces charges after he was accused of sexually assaulting a 19-year-old female student during what he said was a “50 Shades of Grey” re-enactment...

Prosecutors say that around 5:30 p.m. Saturday Hossain went to his dorm room in the 900 block of West Harrison Street with a woman. Once inside, he allegedly asked her to remove her clothing, which she did, keeping on her bra and underwear before Hossain bound her hands and feet with belts and stuffed a necktie in her mouth. Prosecutors also say he put a knit hat on her head, covering her eyes before he removed the rest of her clothing and started striking her with a belt.
The Cook County State’s Attorney’s office said the victim told Hossain he was hurting her and asked him to stop. She eventually got one arm free but officials allege he held it behind her back as he sexually assaulted her.

Prosecutors said the victim requested he stop multiple times before Hossain’s roommate came home. Prosecutors say Hossain held the door shut to prevent him from entering until the victim left. The woman told someone what happened and police were notified, officials said...

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...s-of-Grey-Scenes-293739911.html#ixzz3SfB4HVl7

 

[bigfield]

Sadism and stupidity do not go well together.

Pro-tip, kids: when you re-enact a crime depicted in fiction, it becomes a crime in real life.


And on a side note, has everyone in the BDSM community been constantly face-palming since this movie came out?

 

[Derec]

This case looks shady to me, like the Columbia University case (also involving BDSM) where a male student was wrongfully convicted because the judge didn't allow him to defend himself.
Apparently the accuser voluntarily started the BDSM scene with the male student. Just because she didn't end up liking it doesn't make her a rape victim.

 

[bigfield]

Holy crap Derec, even the most rudimentary understanding of consent in BDSM would make it obvious that you cannot make that assumption.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I haven't read it yet but I assume the safe words were not "reciting the entire Dune Series from memory."

Okay now I am going to read the article and find out what an insensitive jerk I am.

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Now that I have read it, she repeatedly and explicitly asked him to stop.

Sounds pretty cut and dried.

 

[Keith&Co.]

And on a side note, has everyone in the BDSM community been constantly face-palming since this movie came out?

I read a novel where part of the plot involved several characters working out their contract for how the BDSM would play out. I shared this with someone who's 'in the life,' and they just giggled a lot. It's not how it works in her circles.
She's certain that a lot of the detail was wrong on purpose. So, say, if someone comes home with you, slaps on their own mink-fur handcuffs and says 'I offer myself as tribute for your lusts,' an experienced BDSMer would instantly know 'You've never really done this, have you?' and proceed with caution.

 

[laughing dog]

This case looks shady to me, like the Columbia University case (also involving BDSM) where a male student was wrongfully convicted because the judge didn't allow him to defend himself.
Apparently the accuser voluntarily started the BDSM scene with the male student. Just because she didn't end up liking it doesn't make her a rape victim.

Yeah, I agree. This part in particular makes it look real shaky

The Cook County State’s Attorney’s office said the victim told Hossain he was hurting her and asked him to stop. She eventually got one arm free but officials allege he held it behind her back as he sexually assaulted her.

Prosecutors said the victim requested he stop multiple times before Hossain’s roommate came home. Prosecutors say Hossain held the door shut to prevent him from entering until the victim left. The woman told someone what happened and police were notified, officials said...

 

[Derec]

Prosecutors said the victim requested he stop multiple times before Hossain’s roommate came home. Prosecutors say Hossain held the door shut to prevent him from entering until the victim left. The woman told someone what happened and police were notified, officials said...

Prosecutors were saying a lot of horrible things in the Duke Lacrosse case as well. I do not see why we should automatically believe what prosecutors are saying.

 

[Derec]

Holy crap Derec, even the most rudimentary understanding of consent in BDSM would make it obvious that you cannot make that assumption.

The state needs to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt (since this is an actual criminal trial and not a kangaroo college tribunal). The defendant doesn't have to prove his innocence. I hope the jury understand this distinction.

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She's certain that a lot of the detail was wrong on purpose. So, say, if someone comes home with you, slaps on their own mink-fur handcuffs and says 'I offer myself as tribute for your lusts,' an experienced BDSMer would instantly know 'You've never really done this, have you?' and proceed with caution.

Aren't "tributes" from quite a different book/movie phenomenon?

 

[ronburgundy]

Clearly rape as described, but the thread title implies the whole thing was forced and the 50-shades claim is bogus, while the story suggests it might have been a consensual re-enactment entailing consensual sex, up until he hit her too hard, she objected and wanted to stop, and he ignored her. Still rape by that account, but a more accurate headline would be "50 shades re-enactment turns into black and white case of rape after idiot ignores rule #1 of BDSM", with maybe a sub-headline of "Idiots should avoid fiction."

 

[Derec]

Clearly rape as described, but the thread title implies the whole thing was forced and the 50-shades claim is bogus, while the story suggests it might have been a consensual re-enactment entailing consensual sex, up until he hit her too hard, she objected and wanted to stop, and he ignored her. Still rape by that account, but a more accurate headline would be "50 shades re-enactment turns into black and white case of rape after idiot ignores rule #1 of BDSM", with maybe a sub-headline of "Idiots should avoid fiction."

Isn't it common in BDSM to ignore plain pleas to "stop" as part of the scene while actually listening for safe words? Why did she not use the safe words? Did he think she didn't mean it because she didn't use the safe word? In that case there was no rape.
If they forgot to negotiate a safe word that would make them both stupid but it wouldn't be rape. For it to be rape he had to have understood that she wanted him to stop.

 

[credoconsolans]

Clearly rape as described, but the thread title implies the whole thing was forced and the 50-shades claim is bogus, while the story suggests it might have been a consensual re-enactment entailing consensual sex, up until he hit her too hard, she objected and wanted to stop, and he ignored her. Still rape by that account, but a more accurate headline would be "50 shades re-enactment turns into black and white case of rape after idiot ignores rule #1 of BDSM", with maybe a sub-headline of "Idiots should avoid fiction."

Isn't it common in BDSM to ignore plain pleas to "stop" as part of the scene while actually listening for safe words? Why did she not use the safe words? Did he think she didn't mean it because she didn't use the safe word? In that case there was no rape.
If they forgot to negotiate a safe word that would make them both stupid but it wouldn't be rape. For it to be rape he had to have understood that she wanted him to stop.

If the guy thought he could hit someone with violence and there not be a 'safe' word and thus he could keep going no matter what she said, that's not stupidity, that's rape.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Clearly rape as described, but the thread title implies the whole thing was forced and the 50-shades claim is bogus, while the story suggests it might have been a consensual re-enactment entailing consensual sex, up until he hit her too hard, she objected and wanted to stop, and he ignored her. Still rape by that account, but a more accurate headline would be "50 shades re-enactment turns into black and white case of rape after idiot ignores rule #1 of BDSM", with maybe a sub-headline of "Idiots should avoid fiction."

Isn't it common in BDSM to ignore plain pleas to "stop" as part of the scene while actually listening for safe words? Why did she not use the safe words? Did he think she didn't mean it because she didn't use the safe word? In that case there was no rape.
If they forgot to negotiate a safe word that would make them both stupid but it wouldn't be rape. For it to be rape he had to have understood that she wanted him to stop.

WOW! Just WOW!

 

[Keith&Co.]

Clearly rape as described, but the thread title implies the whole thing was forced and the 50-shades claim is bogus, while the story suggests it might have been a consensual re-enactment entailing consensual sex, up until he hit her too hard, she objected and wanted to stop, and he ignored her. Still rape by that account, but a more accurate headline would be "50 shades re-enactment turns into black and white case of rape after idiot ignores rule #1 of BDSM", with maybe a sub-headline of "Idiots should avoid fiction."

Isn't it common in BDSM to ignore plain pleas to "stop" as part of the scene while actually listening for safe words? Why did she not use the safe words? Did he think she didn't mean it because she didn't use the safe word? In that case there was no rape.
If they forgot to negotiate a safe word that would make them both stupid but it wouldn't be rape. For it to be rape he had to have understood that she wanted him to stop.

You've assumed elsewhere that she apparently agreed to a BDSM session. I don't see that anywhere.
I might agree that she cooperated with the bondage, but not every bondage session automatically includes sado-masochism.
There's no mention anywhere that they agreed up on a safe word, either.

She asked him to stop.
He kept going after she asked him to stop.

That's pretty much rape, Derec.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Aren't "tributes" from quite a different book/movie phenomenon?

And thus, such a claim should quickly divide the experienced and the newbe...

 

[ksen]

It's hard to use a safe word with a necktie shoved in your mouth.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

It's hard to use a safe word with a necktie shoved in your mouth.

In the spirit of blaming the victim. She should have tapped it out in Morse Code.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This case looks shady to me...

*stunned*

..., like the Columbia University case...

*stunned*

Apparently the accuser voluntarily started the BDSM scene with the male student. Just because she didn't end up liking it doesn't make her a rape victim.

I'm trying to understand you thinking with that statement. You seem to imply that she wasn't liking it. Therefore you seem to think she did say "no". If she said no repeat, at some point the guy has to respond to it.

That she reported it quickly would seemingly work against the "she regretted" argument you love to trot out. If she was beaten, there will be physical evidence.

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Isn't it common in BDSM to ignore plain pleas to "stop" as part of the scene while actually listening for safe words? Why did she not use the safe words? Did he think she didn't mean it because she didn't use the safe word? In that case there was no rape.
If they forgot to negotiate a safe word that would make them both stupid but it wouldn't be rape. For it to be rape he had to have understood that she wanted him to stop.

WOW! Just WOW!

See folks.

Buy Derec's How to Get Away with Rape book, currently 14th on the NY Times best seller list. Say it was BDSM to excuse the bruising. Say it was consensual, to create doubt. You'll win every time!

 

[laughing dog]

Prosecutors said the victim requested he stop multiple times before Hossain’s roommate came home. Prosecutors say Hossain held the door shut to prevent him from entering until the victim left. The woman told someone what happened and police were notified, officials said...

Prosecutors were saying a lot of horrible things in the Duke Lacrosse case as well. I do not see why we should automatically believe what prosecutors are saying.

Whether you believe them or not is one thing. But your (dis)belief is not what makes this claim shady.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Isn't it common in BDSM to ignore plain pleas to "stop" as part of the scene while actually listening for safe words? Why did she not use the safe words? Did he think she didn't mean it because she didn't use the safe word? In that case there was no rape.
If they forgot to negotiate a safe word that would make them both stupid but it wouldn't be rape. For it to be rape he had to have understood that she wanted him to stop.

You've assumed elsewhere that she apparently agreed to a BDSM session. I don't see that anywhere.
I might agree that she cooperated with the bondage, but not every bondage session automatically includes sado-masochism.
There's no mention anywhere that they agreed up on a safe word, either.

She asked him to stop.
He kept going after she asked him to stop.

That's pretty much rape, Derec.

Yeah, that's my read on it, also. Consensual bondage and he went too far. Rape.

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It's hard to use a safe word with a necktie shoved in your mouth.

Because you're interpreting it too literally. Safewords don't need to be words. If she's tied up and can't speak do something like have her hold a noisemaker. Triggering said noisemaker is a safeword.