Man rapes woman, calls it "50 Shades" reenactment

[RavenSky]

I must have missed the part of the story where Hossain describes setting up a non-verbal safeword with his victim the lying slut.

The story is her/prosecution side of the story. Of course you have already decided she is a victim and he the rapist just like so many were convinced the Duke Lacrosse students were rapists as well.

So you assume the police and the [alleged] rapist are lying sluts too? He told police he "made a mistake" - sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

 

[Derec]

So you assume the police and the [alleged] rapist are lying sluts too? He told police he "made a mistake" - sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

That wholly depends on what kind of "mistake" it is.

 

[RavenSky]

No, it's you who categorically assumes that the "jerk is lying"..

I don't think the "jerk is lying". I think he told the truth when he told the police he made "a mistake" as an admission he didn't have consent to do what he did to the victim.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Just because it doesn't fit into the feminist Left's black and white "either you believe rape accusers automatically or you are a filthy misogynist" party line doesn't make it "laughable".

Derec, you have gone out of your way to characterize women as liars. Don't bother trying to make yourself look like a fence sitter on this.

Nonsense, but her say-so is not it.

Bullshit.

So you think a woman's say-so should be enough to constitute proof "beyond a reasonable doubt"? That's messed up.

It would be if that is what I said. My problem is that you don't particularly have much of a reasonable level of proof required to convict. Pretty much you want 100 videos of it and a signed affidavit from the rapist confessing to the rape. Meanwhile, you'll have no trouble suggesting the woman is lying.

 

[RavenSky]

The engineering student has admitted to police that he assaulted the woman, but explained to them that it was because they were 're-enacting scenes from Fifty Shades of Grey'.

btw, there is no scene in Fifty Shades of Grey that matches what he did to this woman.

Mr Hossain was arrested by campus police, and after admitting to 'doing something wrong' and assaulting the woman, he told officers they had been 're-enacting scenes from Fifty Shades of Grey', Ms Karr said according to the newspaper.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reate-scene-50-Shades-Grey.html#ixzz3SrkFhlJw
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Hossain posted a Facebook status nearly an hour after the crime was committed stating, "I'm finally satisfied."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...enacting-fifty-shades-of-grey-scene/23928121/

http://heavy.com/news/2015/02/moham...rape-sexual-assault-suspect-facebook-defense/

This may be simply the reporter's way of writing it:

but the suspect's attorney says her client thought it was consensual.

but "though it was consensual" is not the same as "was consensual" and is not a defense to rape.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/student...-recreating-50-shades-of-grey-scenes-/531312/

 

[laughing dog]

I think both are possible and I have no idea who is telling the truth but what I do know is that when it doubt we have to go with the defendant, not the accuser.

"We" are not in a court of law, so "we" do not have to do anything of the sort.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Sadism and stupidity do not go well together.

Pro-tip, kids: when you re-enact a crime depicted in fiction, it becomes a crime in real life.

Several of my friends have pointed out that Fifty Shades only goes off the way it does because Grey is a billionaire; if he'd been a line worker at a factory, it would just be another episode of Criminal Minds.

And on a side note, has everyone in the BDSM community been constantly face-palming since this movie came out?

Not everyone. Some are actually taking a sort of pragmatic "Hello 'Fifty Shades' fan, here's a pamphlet you might want to read" approach (followed by facepalm).

 

[Crazy Eddie]

So you assume the police and the [alleged] rapist are lying sluts too? He told police he "made a mistake" - sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

That wholly depends on what kind of "mistake" it is.

Mistake #1: Didn't setup a safe word
Mistake #2: Didn't stop when told to
Mistake #3: Watching 50 Shades of Grey

 

[dx713]

That wholly depends on what kind of "mistake" it is.

Mistake #1: Didn't setup a safe word
Mistake #2: Didn't stop when told to
Mistake #3: Watching 50 Shades of Grey

Actually, the "agreeing on a safe word" isn't always necessary. It's only for when you want the default safe words, like "no" and "stop", to be ignored.
So mistake #2 is both "not stopping when told" and "ignoring the safe word".
Of course, someone who takes 50 shades at face value isn't going to understand that.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Mistake #1: Didn't setup a safe word
Mistake #2: Didn't stop when told to
Mistake #3: Watching 50 Shades of Grey

Actually, the "agreeing on a safe word" isn't always necessary.

It is when you're doing a BDSM scene. NOT, mind you, because the default safe words are no longer valid, but to engineer a psychological "Emergency stop!" button that snaps both parties the hell out of the scene.

All kinds of funky things happen to people when they're on a full-on sexual kinkfest, part of the game or part of hidden desires or just part of being crazy like that. But pick something unusual, something that makes no sense in a sexual context, something that might actually make you stop and go "Wait... what?" just to make sure you can actually snap out of it if you really need to. E.G. your girlfriend is hanging upside down from the ceiling with clamps on her nipples suddenly notices her hair is way too close to that scented candle; she can either yell "Oh shit, I'm on fire!" or she can yell "Banana smoothie!" The latter makes you stop and think for a moment, which is the whole point.

Of course, someone who takes 50 shades at face value isn't going to understand that.

Reasons why you should never date an engineering student who reads romance novels.

 

[ronburgundy]

If anything, even a negotiated "safe word" likely provides no legal protection from a rape charge. The default is "no means no", so it may technically hold even in BDSM, and it all rests on whether one party decides to charge rape.
I know of no relevant cases, so its largely a hypothetical to evaluate logical implications of the law, even if the absence of any such accusations means it is a "problem" for BDSMers that doesn't really need a solution.

That would be a terrible law as it would define perfectly consensual sex as "rape".
Now, things probably vary by state but in the Columbia case I mentioned the judge (using "rape shield law") improperly excluded emails between the false accuser and her victim detailing their plants to engage in BDSM and he was convicted. Luckily an appeals court found in his favor and he was freed, but not before spending almost two years in prison and getting attacked there. However, that shows that at least in New York consensual BDSM would be a valid defense against bogus rape claims (unless the judge improperly excludes exculpatory evidence).

"Terrible" or not, "No means no" is the default of the law. Even in the NY case you cite, it was applied that way, and the man was only freed after the court found that he could prove special circumstances in which the default no longer applied by mutual agreement of the parties.
It means that BDSM is legally rape, unless the accused can prove those special circumstances. So long as the facts about the BDSM acts are affirmed, the burden of proof shift to the accused to prove it was consensual BDSM in which the "no means no" default does not apply.
The law really has no choice here, because the most common objective features of actual rapes (restraint and explicit objection) have to be counted as strong evidence that it was rape. Otherwise, every actual rape would go unconvicted, which is far worse than the very rare case of fully consensual BDSM (which the OP case was not), resulting in a rape accusation. Those false convictions can easily be avoided by not engaging in simulated rape (which much of BDSM is) or only doing so with clear objective evidence in hand that it was consensual. So, should society place this minimal burden on BDSMers or should they make all rape defacto legal by allowing a defense of "Gee, I thought it was role play rape."?

 

[RavenSky]

Several of my friends have pointed out that Fifty Shades only goes off the way it does because Grey is a billionaire; if he'd been a line worker at a factory, it would just be another episode of Criminal Minds.

^^^ this exactly. Mega rich and good looking, so it is a *romantic* story. As the ding-dong in the OP has discovered, it doesn't work out as well for pimple-faced college nerds

 

[Derec]

Latest development: Judge throws out case against UIC student charged with '50 Shades of Grey' assault
That doesn't mean that the lack of probable cause will stop the UIC apparatchiks from punishing him of course.
Artist impression of UIC administrators:

Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence!

 

[laughing dog]

Latest development: Judge throws out case against UIC student charged with '50 Shades of Grey' assault
That doesn't mean that the lack of probable cause will stop the UIC apparatchiks from punishing him of course.
Artist impression of UIC administrators:

Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence!

Did you even read the report that you linked? The woman testified she said no. I